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Which Thread Title shall we name this new thread?
This poll is closed.
Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce 44 21.36%
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress 19 9.22%
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin 9 4.37%
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit 8 3.88%
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died 24 11.65%
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread 17 8.25%
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter 15 7.28%
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming 2 0.97%
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy 10 4.85%
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union 5 2.43%
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die 25 12.14%
Total: 206 votes
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cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Acaila posted:

I only recognise three names there - the MEPs and Muscatelli, who IIRC everyone hates?

Who hates Vito Antonio "Banton" Muscatelli? everyone

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cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I can't make it because I'll be in Lanark doing boring things but I hope everyone has a nice time.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Corbyn ruling out a "progressive alliance" is the best news to come out of all this Labour shite. Labour need to improve SLab and actually deal with myths of a progressive SNP, not parade them around like heroes.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Cat Boyd follows me on twitter. That's my story of the day.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

The ScotLab leadership don't criticise the SNP properly which is why it's utterly vital that the Labour left in Scotland and the rest of the UK do. And even though SLab's membership is more right-wing it still voted for Corbyn last time and CLPs have nominated him this time. There just hasn't been a proper chance in Scotland since Corbyn of tearing down the leadership.

e: Also speaking as an active member of Campaign for Socialism (now "Momentum Scotland") there's a decent amount of work being done by the left ~~behind the scenes~~ (e.g. I know SA tends to be a bit older and probably doesn't pay attention to stuff like this but Young Labour currently has a very left-wing exec)

cargohills fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Aug 23, 2016

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

alan roden is a poo poo who described miliband as "red ed" and called a proposed 1p increase in tax "the tax hike catastrophe"

the SNP are also bad but pretty much every problem they have scottish labour try their best to emulate it

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Not for the foreseeable future, no.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I thought the blame for the schools was being placed on private contractors and the council?

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

So generally the blame's been spread across three different groups?

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Coohoolin posted:

Anyone with access past the Herald's paywall care to post the rest of this?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...ers/?ref=twtrec

quote:

Referring repeatedly to Karl Marx, the SNP’s sole MP on the Commons Treasury committee

nice

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I'd imagine human rights law would prevent them from legalising murder.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

European human rights law isn't connected to the EU and won't automatically be effected by Brexit. As it is the Scottish Parliament is bound by law to respect the ECHR and to follow the decisions of the European Court of Human Rights.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Baby boxes are fine but are bizarrely celebrated despite just being a box with some stuff in it and doing nothing to combat issues such as child poverty and the attainment gap, i.e. things that actually matter. Labour's response has been woefully inadequate and appears just to be "there should be some more stuff in the boxes".

I've not seen the new polling data but I'm going to predict it, right here, in front of your very eyes: nothing has changed and No is still in a large lead. Nothing that has happened since 2014 has brought people into the independence campaign. Whenever anybody switches from No to Yes, somebody else (like myself) switches from Yes to No.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

TomViolence posted:

No, Gaelic. Well, whichever regional Scottish language winds this self-loathing thread up the most, take your pick.

Technically it isn't self-hatred on my part because I hate everywhere and everything about Scotland outside of Glasgow.

Apart from the scenery that is.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Really interesting article in Al Jazeera about how Nicola Sturgeon isn't very good: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/01/nicola-sturgeon-champion-liberalism-170123082649966.html

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I'd imagine even if the question was remain/leave the Yes campaign will try to keep its name. At least the remain side wouldn't have to campaign on "no thanks" or "better together" though.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Some interesting stats on indyref2 - looks like No-voting remainers are switching to Yes in the same numbers as Yes-voting leavers switching to No: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/why-have-polls-not-shown-shift-towards-scottish-in/

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Are you planning on linking to it?

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

It's not particularly mind-blowing but it is true, as far as I can tell.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

So? Either they're idiots or malicious and in neither scenario do they come out at the end looking good.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I don't know if you're joking but that's not even slightly comparable.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

There was a Wings post about the Scottish Young Labour committee speaking out against Kezia Dugdale and the comments there were some of the best I've ever seen so I like Wings now.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

my hobby is taking back control of our destiny by letting the UK/the EU control our monetary policy. that's very good, to me.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

he's just making fun of coohoolin, which is something I'm sure we're all happy with

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I really don't see what a snap election would do apart from maybe giving the Scottish Tories a bit of a boost in the Scottish Parliament. It's not like Theresa May's going to change her mind on independence just because MSPs vote for it given that that's already happened.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Coohoolin posted:

Centre is fine, my office is on union street. I work until 4 ish. Yes bar is right nearby and does discounts for pro indy party members, if that helps anyone.

I'll make sure to try and find my old Green Party membership card wherever that is. I'll put it in front of my Labour card and they won't suspect a thing.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Coohoolin posted:

Labour For Indy is a thing!

I know a decent number of Labour Party members who support independence but not a single one of them is in Labour For Indy.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

This is all going to be so utterly loving pointless from up here. The only thing for Labour members to do will either be to travel to Edinburgh to campaign for utter oval office Ian Murray, stay where they are and campaign against an SNP majority of over 10,000, or go to England and campaign for someone who has the slightest chance of winning and isn't scum. What the gently caress is the point?

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

On the General Election, there's a good number of socialist Labour members who are planning on running. I'm not too optimistic about their chances but when the time comes have a look at the Labour candidate and see if they're any good.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

marktheando posted:

Well no poo poo, but this is the Scotland thread. Our choice is between adding to the Tory majority, or voting SNP.

I think I'll feel fine voting Labour in my constituency given that it was Labour from 1936-2015 and then SNP from 2015-present.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I've got a funny feeling that people switching from the SNP to the Tories weren't socialists.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

This policy was already clear and decided by the Scottish Executive Committee either before or very soon after the election. It just hasn't been big news until now.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

The Tories are as close to the SNP in Scotland as Labour were to the Tories in the whole of the UK not that long ago.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

The Coatbridge candidate also has a shot.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Quite a lot of them advise voting Lib Dem in Labour constituencies or where Labour is second to the Tories. I don't trust any of them.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Didn't one of their recent manifestos support a points-based immigration system? Or was that the white paper? One or the other.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Richard Leonard sometimes gets talked up a bit too but he's not really that experienced. With 3 new Corbyn supporting MPs, though, that's 3 more unrealistic potential leadership candidates! Yay!

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Acaila posted:

Yeah Neil Findlay was a bit mean during the indyref.
Alex Rowley seems a bit more....open minded shall we say? According to mutual friends anyway.
I totally agree with you anyway, it's just that nobody seems keen to actually step away from that attitude.

I'd agree with that. Alex Rowley tends to handle it a wee bit better (and his social media presence is more professional, although that might partly be out of necessity as Deputy Leader).

Acaila posted:

Did Jim not promise to run for Holyrood but lose his Westminster seat before he could?

Yep!

Didn't Alex Salmond lead the SNP as an MP for a while, btw? I'd agree that it's a bad idea though.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I don't know if it was the same CLP meeting but Edinburgh Southern (or whatever it's called in the Scottish Parliament) had their CLP meeting today as well and I hear Ian Murray got absolutely savaged.

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cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Baron Corbyn posted:

A United Kingdom under Corbyn divorced from the European Union is more feasible and sustainable than an independent Scotland, friend.

It also sounds like it could be pretty dang good, to be perfectly honest.

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