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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Jun 26, 2016 23:22
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I don't think there's any chance Scotland would retain the UK's opt outs and rebate.
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Jun 28, 2016 13:31
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baronvonsabre posted:I think there's a good chance we'll keep at least some of them (though probably not the rebate). It's in the EU's interest politically to make Scotland's transition as smooth as possible since that makes them look reasonable and practical and respectful of the democratic wishes of a national electorate. Doing so will also make rUK look even more like a bunch of idiots who cut off their nose to spite their face, which reduces the chance of other members deciding to leave. I think allowing Scotland to join the EU as quickly as possible would be reasonable enough on the EU's part, and Scotland would be in no position to demand opt-outs that the EU no longer offers to new members. I don't think there's any chance of Scotland receiving a rebate when it would be - I believe - a net beneficiary of EU funding.
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Jun 28, 2016 13:57
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Extreme0 posted:To be honest what is there to opt-out and rebate now? The rebate is the mechanism that sees the UK's financial contribution to the EU budget reduced by roughly 66%.
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Jun 28, 2016 14:08
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baronvonsabre posted:The rebate I agree on. But I still think the political advantages to the EU will mean they'll be more than happy to agree on letting Scotland keep some of the other options, particularly an opt-out of using the Euro, since that's a sticking point for a lot of people. I think the argument that Scotland could be notionally required to join the Euro without there ever being any real pressure to do so is reasonable. The problem, as before, is what would be used in the interim.
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Jun 28, 2016 14:09
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Niric posted:can - and in my opinion should - frame the debate as a clear choice between two different, incompatible, but fundamentally known and tangible political and economic unions. This could be tricky because of the objectively greater importance of the British union to the Scottish economy than the European one. An indyref2 right now would again need be won again with the heart rather than the head - though this time round that might be possible.
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Jun 28, 2016 14:50
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IceAgeComing posted:I thought that we'd done the whole Euro thing to death last time? Although Euro membership is technically compulsory, ERMII membership isn't and that's one of the conditions for Euro accession. You just refuse to join or say that you'll put it to a referendum when the time is right, that's the approach of the Swedes and the best way of going about it. Not really 'done to death' when your post still doesn't resolve the question of what currency would be used.
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Jun 28, 2016 19:09
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Also sounds like somebody talked some sense into Tusk about playing along with Sturgeon's 'talks'.
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Jun 28, 2016 19:11
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Coohoolin posted:Ooh can we chat about what to call our new currency? Your new currency still says sterling.
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Jun 28, 2016 21:01
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748151925938524160 Surprisingly low. The SNP has failed to seize the initiative. An unexpectedly dropped ball.
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Jun 29, 2016 17:49
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Her 'path' seems to consist of wasting everyone's time in Brussels?
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Jun 29, 2016 17:59
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Leggsy posted:I do wonder what you would have done differently in Sturgeon's position, pissflaps. Well, in Sturgeon's position my focus wouldn't be: quote:exhausting all options in order to build a long-term case for independence
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Jun 29, 2016 18:02
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Nitrousoxide posted:Article 50 hasn't been invoked yet and there's the possibility of a Scottish veto, until those are initiated and exhausted people will probably still favor the status quo. That Scottish veto is a non starter. There's nothing Holyrood can do that can't be overruled by Westminster. The problem for Scottish nationalists is that if Brexit fails then it's an object lesson on the dangers of leaving political and economic union with your most important trading partner. If it succeeds then the case for leaving the UK to join the `EU is weakened. People will quickly get used to the new status quo, and there is still a sizeable minority who are actually pro-leave in Scotland. It all had to happen far more quickly than this for Brexit to lead seamlessly to independence.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:11
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Leggsy posted:it might all be political pageantry but it serves to convey an image of Sturgeon as a world leader and Scotland as an emerging state. She's been sent home and told they won't talk to her about anything meaningful. It's not done much for her image.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:13
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Someone with aspirations of being seen as a 'world leader' needs to come home with more than sympathy and some cheap fags. It was just a stunt.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:34
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Are there people in Scotland who thought the EU would negotiate with Sturgeon? Or allow EU membership of a constituent part of a nation state?
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Jun 29, 2016 18:40
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What's her next trick? Proving water is wet?
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Jun 29, 2016 18:41
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Regarde Aduck posted:What's your agenda here Pissflaps? You agree that Brexit is a bad idea. Why are you now opposed to Scotland getting to remain in the EU? Do you truly believe they'd be better in this sinking ship? You seem keen that Scotland doesn't get away. This is much different that before when the UK was a strong working entity and it made little sense to break it up. Now it's broken anyway. We're going to lose our banks, our few industries and our service sector. We're done. What has Scotland got to lose by jumping ship? Try again without the hyperbole. Things will be worse than they would have been, but the sky isn't falling. Brexit demonstrates why breaking union with your most important partners is a bad idea. What's true for the UK is true for Scotland. Nationalism got us into this mess. More nationalism is not the solution.
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Jun 29, 2016 20:09
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Some clarification is needed here, due to the subject matter: do you mean the logical fallacy, or has this thread had a problem with people accusing others of being fake Scotsmen? People have attempted to shut down debate several times by describing others as not being Scottish enough to contribute, though that doesn't happen so much lately.
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Jun 29, 2016 20:10
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Coohoolin posted:It's me, I moved here six years ago and I'm an ardent independence supporter, and that really irks some people. That's really not the problem people have with you.
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Jun 29, 2016 20:16
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https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/748274149806772224
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Jun 29, 2016 23:06
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It's ok, I'm party Scottish.
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Jun 29, 2016 23:08
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Lady Galaga posted:Hmm yes lets stay in this failing union because apparently Scotland wanting to have decisions about how Scotland is ran and not be dictated by England is nationalism You forgot to say 'Wastemonster'.
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Jun 30, 2016 09:43
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tithin posted:Why are you so pedantic, Mr Flaps? Can you quote the pedantry you're referring to? It's my experience that the word is usually misused.
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Jun 30, 2016 11:02
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tithin posted:I dunno, this seems ill advised. It's also not possible.
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Jun 30, 2016 11:26
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Unless an independent Scotland chose to mirror Brexit UK's immigration policy rather than have a hard border between the two.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:51
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I don't think constituency boundaries are to blame for the SNP not contesting seats outside of Scotland.
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Jul 4, 2016 06:55
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Has anybody in this thread ordered this watch?
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Jul 5, 2016 14:59
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The SNP are planning to ditch Catalan separatists haha.
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Jul 6, 2016 20:14
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Judging by some media output it's clear the result has come as a shock for some traditional No voters and made them reassess their position - I think a hypothetical Indyref the Friday after EUref could well have produced a Yes result. But as time goes on, and the pragmatic arguments come to the fore, I think it'll be less and less of a factor.
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Jul 7, 2016 14:08
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Jedit posted:EU membership doesn't have to be the deciding factor. All that is required is the belief, now, that Scotland is hosed if it remains in a non-EU UK. If the UK is hosed then so is Scotland - with or without Independence, in or out of the EU. It's the same as the facile argument that the UK should leave the EU because the latter is about to go down the shitter. As the UK relies on a healthy EU for prosperity, so Scotland relies on the UK.
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Jul 7, 2016 14:41
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Regarde Aduck posted:If they stay hosed then at least Scotland can look after its own and protect things like health services while the UK ravages itself. I'm not sure this is true.
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Jul 9, 2016 00:36
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If this is true it's really sad. edit: Did Alyn Smith really use that insane 'the UK is not a real country' argument in the European Parliament? Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jul 9, 2016 |
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Jul 9, 2016 21:11
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It does serve as a useful reminder that those who accuse the BBC of bias - of any political persuasion - are usually off their trolley.
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Jul 10, 2016 08:02
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Why are you posting this in this thread and not the uk wide one?
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Jul 10, 2016 09:56
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moonraker posted:Yes i wil be off else where things are still a bit tender in here .Your about the only cool head in this place That's very kind of you to say.
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Jul 10, 2016 10:35
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Extreme0 posted:Sir Nicholas Macpherson states it's a 'golden opportunity' for Scotland You didn't quote my favourite bit of what he said: quote:It also has a chance for major tax reform, aimed at attracting inward investment and highly skilled migrants, but as that would mean low business and income tax rates, "it may also point to a smaller, more efficient state". Sounds like a Tory's wet dream.
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Jul 10, 2016 14:37
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Extreme0 posted:Oh, so you be all for it then. If it's the will of the Scottish People, sure.
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Jul 10, 2016 14:56
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The purpose of today is to tie the SNP into the process of Brexit. It's to prevent them sitting on the sidelines complaining about what's been done to them and Scotland.
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Jul 15, 2016 21:52
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They do love a good moan.
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Jul 15, 2016 22:59
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