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SplitSoul posted:https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/penge/kontanthjaelpen-er-skrumpet-30-procent-paa-30-aar-det-presser-folk-som-i-forvejen
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SplitSoul posted:https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/penge/kontanthjaelpen-er-skrumpet-30-procent-paa-30-aar-det-presser-folk-som-i-forvejen Note especially how the graph shows that taxes fell for the employed and rose for the unemployed during the Thorning government.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Its a mildly weird outlier though. Kind of like they must have excluded something pedestrian like indivudual tjänstepension funds or the like on some technicality. Or all the billionaries here really are just that bloated. Sweden has an incredibly high amount of millionaires per capita.
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Jack Trades posted:Iceland has an incredibly high amount of millionaires per capita. Fixed
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Norway just have a few obscenely rich people because the rest moved to Switzerland to whine about having to pay taxes If the taxes they want removed went away they wouldn't pay taxes at all
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Jack Trades posted:Sweden has an incredibly high amount of millionaires per capita. Threadkiller Dog posted:Yes exactly, various accumulated pension funds, its usually a good chunk of individual net worth. Usually its counted as wealth and in many countries as private savings (not typically in sweden though as its 90% collective agreement administred). .
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Anders posted:Norway just have a few obscenely rich people because the rest moved to Switzerland to whine about having to pay taxes And this tells you everything you need to know about wealthy people and why we under no circumstances whatsoever should listen to them about any of their concerns or opinions. In fact once you pass say 30-40 mill you should just flat out lose your right to freedom of speech.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:But would you not expect pensions to roughly match other forms of wealth accumulation? There's likely to be a high degree of correlation between a large pension and home ownership, meaning the pension isn't going to meaningfully counter a general trend of inequality. The kind of collective agreement pension savings I'm thinking of are coupled to salary size only, so, sure they should be correlated with higher earnings but not as extremely as regular wealth assets - as in the top 10% of earners don't earn close to 80% of total salaries... more like 20-30% or so iirc. The total tjänstepension (collective agreement private pension) assets are around 5 trillion SEK, so about 6-700K in funds per adult swede on average, obviously age dependent. I guess my point was that those funds could have shown up as post salary private pension savings in another system more like denmarks (i think?), while swedes usually don't really save for their pension explicitly post salary. That could be enough money to gently caress with GINI coefficient maps at least. Threadkiller Dog fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Threadkiller Dog posted:The kind of collective agreement pension savings I'm thinking of are coupled to salary size only, so, sure they should be correlated with higher earnings but not as extremely as regular wealth assets - as in the top 10% of earners don't earn close to 80% of total salaries... more like 20-30% or so iirc. Aside from the above, income inequality has also increased quite a bit in Sweden during the same period, which likely means these old people had an even easier time accumulating wealth than their younger counterparts, further cementing an age-correlated inequality in wealth (and pension size).
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I dont really have much more to add - it would be interesting to se the distributions for a certain age bracket to really talk inequality, because as you say the age factor could be the most important of all and most everyone gets to that point. And 10% is a huge chunk of the population so maybe a horde of well off 50-60 year olds sitting on lots of bubbly real estate and flush pensions are the main reason why the GINI is so extreme in Sweden. Though we are hardly unique there, except for relatively cushy estate, capital and real estate taxes. Threadkiller Dog fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Sweden abolished inheritance tax something like 20 years ago I think? That's not a very long time to see an effect but I wonder if it has much impact. Norway got rid of it just a couple years back so you have a possible comparison point in another decade or three. Maybe it's not a big deal and wealth and property taxes have more impact, idk.
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Inheritance is such bullshit and antithetical to liberal "my own two hands" ideology. But I doubt it has as much impact as property taxes, especially landlord related, and the complete lack of tax on finance/stock bullshit.
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100% inheritance tax now. How high we set the base deduction is up for discussion. EDIT: Also, I going to start using some kind of semi-sincere argument for why raising the capital income tax is a natural next step for "arbetslinjen", suggestions welcome. Nidhg00670000 fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/skandale-og-dybt-alvorligt-politikere-reagerer-paa-fejlramt-fregat jeebus bob posted:Note especially how the graph shows that taxes fell for the employed and rose for the unemployed during the Thorning government. *taps thread title* SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Apr 2, 2024 |
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SplitSoul posted:
Buddy, I was unemployed for most of that time. And also had undiagnosed ADHD And two toddlers
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jeebus bob posted:Buddy, I was unemployed for most of that time. That sucks and I sympathize, I was assuming the thread title referred to the Danish state, which does indeed deserve to suffer an unending torrent of noxious effluvium the likes of which only a vengeful God who subsisted entirely on beer and cheese could muster.
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SplitSoul posted:That sucks and I sympathize, I was assuming the thread title referred to the Danish state, which does indeed deserve to suffer an unending torrent of noxious effluvium the likes of which only a vengeful God who subsisted entirely on beer and cheese could muster. On average we all do tbf  Anyway I got better but I was one of the lucky ones
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big scary monsters posted:Sweden abolished inheritance tax something like 20 years ago I think? That's not a very long time to see an effect but I wonder if it has much impact. Norway got rid of it just a couple years back so you have a possible comparison point in another decade or three. one of the very first things Solbergs first government abolished, and Støre is such a loving coward for trying to chase those sweet sweet dollar-millionaire voters by promising not to reinstate it
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ulvir posted:one of the very first things Solbergs first government abolished, and Støre is such a loving coward for trying to chase those sweet sweet dollar-millionaire voters by promising not to reinstate it Been the same issue since the 80s. Høyre actively makes things worse, Ap passively makes things worse IMHO there are five parties that actually have some sort of ethical backbone/more ambitions than "stay in power": KrF Venstre MdG SV Rødt Pick your poison - myself I'll go for SV as I've seen it from the inside/have active family members, and what strikes me the most isn't their policies, but their culture. If you have a position and gently caress up, no one is gonna come to your rescue and the reaction from the party itself are usually more of a political death sentence than in the media where things blow over after a year Not that it matters, people mostly choose between Ap and Høyre in elections so nothing will get substantially better in the foreseeable future
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"Oh, Danish Royal Navy, can't you go five seconds without humiliating yourself?" "... how long was that?" https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/soefartsstyrelsen-der-er-risiko-nedfald-af-missilfragmenter-i-storebaelt
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One day after the MoD had a briefing that left all the defense spokespeople from the other parties confused and worried Cool Cool cool cool
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jeebus bob posted:One day after the MoD had a briefing that left all the defense spokespeople from the other parties confused and worried "Our genocide guarding operation did not go to plan and we are distraught.  "
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SplitSoul posted:"Oh, Danish Royal Navy, can't you go five seconds without humiliating yourself?" denmark got a critical failiure on their "open the sound" roll
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Anders posted:Been the same issue since the 80s. Høyre actively makes things worse, Ap passively makes things worse the present government actually did take a tack to the left and got nothing for it, so now they're back to trying to placate the opposition. it seems to be working, at least insofar as their base not deserting them and the broader centre-left remaining viable in at least some polls the labour party is sort of objectively non-viable atm for several reasons, but it's imo kept from collapsing completely by the LO connection.
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Anders posted:IMHO there are five parties that actually have some sort of ethical backbone/more ambitions than "stay in power": lol
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Reminiscient of the Harpoon missile misfire in the 80s, also from the Danish navy. Accidentally launched a live missile on exercise that travelled some 30 kilometers and struck land. IIRC destroyed some summer cottages but luckily no one was home
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Falukorv posted:Reminiscient of the Harpoon missile misfire in the 80s, also from the Danish navy. Accidentally launched a live missile on exercise that travelled some 30 kilometers and struck land. IIRC destroyed some summer cottages but luckily no one was home My boss apparently did the calculation on one of those incidents in the 90s, although it was a shell. Turns out the WWII era gunpowder was not kept dry (or replaced). The whole current thing stinks of management failure, where everything goes from the top down, but no information or notifications are allowed to go from people on the ground to top brass, because that would make the top brass look bad. Turns out that maybe listening to the guys who said the ship wasn't ready would have been a good idea. And this is not a defence issue, it's a general thing.
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thotsky posted:lol Hey, I had to include at least one party on the right V. Illych L. posted:the present government actually did take a tack to the left and got nothing for it, so now they're back to trying to placate the opposition. it seems to be working, at least insofar as their base not deserting them and the broader centre-left remaining viable in at least some polls Eh, they got unpopular because high interest rates and inflation first and foremost, secondly all the scandals. Their whole political project stalled because of it and they never got it back on rails All their left wing policies are mostly because they need to cooperate with SV on the budget and Sp is too unpopular to switch sides to the right two years in like they planned when going into this government (refusing to cooperate with SV, filling positions with conservatives etc)
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BonHair posted:My boss apparently did the calculation on one of those incidents in the 90s, although it was a shell. Turns out the WWII era gunpowder was not kept dry (or replaced). I'm just gonna assume people were drinking on the job 
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thotsky posted:lol but Skei Grande quoted Star Wars during a parliament session once
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I disagree a lot with Venstre - but they do actually have some intellectual honesty and is willing to stand up for unpopular policies like legalization of THC products and probably some more idk. They're too small for me to really pay attention to. Yeah, they joined the last government eventually, but SV joined Stoltenberg and that turned out to be a poo poo decision too. Kirsti Halvorsen was nice and all, but she was on the right side of the party along with that fuckhead Erik Solheim If anyone is interested, around '98 there was a huge shift in Sosialistisk Ungdom/Socialist Youth, that took a sharp turn left when Karianne Moe won the leadership election against Inga Marthe Torkildsen. That gradually led to Audun Lysbakken getting elected (he was elected leader of Hordaland SU in '98 and vice-leader of SU in 2000) I weren't active that many years, but I sat on the national board (? landsstyret) for a few years, and while I left over some disagreement on direction the people that eventually took over leadership roles are good people. It's a huge shame that Snorre Valen quit politics - he's probably the most intellectually honest person I know. He's currently the editor of Trønderdebatt.no that is one of the best opinion sites in Norway. Just posting an opinion piece he wrote that I think is good about how media handled Per-Willy Amundsen when he went mask off on Facebook Hva om han bare sier det han mener
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Anders posted:I'm just gonna assume people were drinking on the job
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The alcoholics of Scandinavia are Sweden, Denmark and Norway are basically neck-and-neck. https://www.statista.com/statistics/755502/alcohol-consumption-in-liters-per-capita-ineu/ Looks like the mouth potatoes are practically distilling themselves into alcohol.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The alcoholics of Scandinavia are Sweden, Denmark and Norway are basically neck-and-neck. Only a dane would say this.
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Jack Trades posted:https://www.statista.com/statistics/755502/alcohol-consumption-in-liters-per-capita-ineu/ https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-details/GHO/alcohol-use-disorders-(15-)-12-month-prevalence-(-)-with-95- There's simply no contest, Swedes have a much worse relationship with alcohol than do Danes and Norwegians.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I mean literal alcoholics: Sweden is simply number 1 when it comes to abusing substances.  We have a proud tradition of our government actively spreading disinformation that leads to more substance-related deaths, dating back to the 70s. If I were a cynic, instead of the happy-go-lucky optimist that I am, I would've said that it's an purposeful ploy by our benevolent politicians to cleanse out country of sub-human junkies.
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Sweden's education about drugs is similar to a deep red US state's sex ed and about as effective.
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Collateral Damage posted:Sweden's education about drugs is similar to a deep red US state's sex ed and about as effective.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The alcoholics of Scandinavia are Sweden, Denmark and Norway are basically neck-and-neck. That's because you don't think having a couple of beers each day is alcoholism while it most definitely is alcoholism
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Anders posted:I disagree a lot with Venstre - but they do actually have some intellectual honesty and is willing to stand up for unpopular policies like legalization of THC products and probably some more idk. They're too small for me to really pay attention to. Yeah, they joined the last government eventually, but SV joined Stoltenberg and that turned out to be a poo poo decision too. Kirsti Halvorsen was nice and all, but she was on the right side of the party along with that fuckhead Erik Solheim if snorre valen consistently says what he thinks he's not very bright imo
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