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*spränger sthlm* tjipp och välkommen till hajk motherfuckers
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kalstrams posted:Sure, let us know the next target for nukes. loving rude 
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Aug 14, 2016 21:58
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MP: the Islamist party filled with swarthy cultural deviants. Also the white party where no one has had any contact with immigrants.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Ukrainian in this case clearly meaning of Varangian viking descent. something something primary chronicle not a reliable source
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Aug 15, 2016 17:36
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I thought things were supposed to be peaceful in Scandinavia
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Aug 15, 2016 17:57
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The Bananana posted:I thought things were supposed to be peaceful in Scandinavia How Swedes like to think of themselves:  *haven't been at war since 1814 (arguably, depending on how you consider our involvment in the war in Afghanistan from 2010 and forward)
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And how they actually are: (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 16, 2016 21:14
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Oh no, I'm like 5 of the things Ulf hates! 
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Karpaw posted:And how they actually are: I think you should find a better artist for your biography.
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Karpaw posted:And how they actually are: Ah, a /pol/ meme. Lovely.
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Karpaw is more toxic than Ligur ever was, just put his ignorant rear end on ignore and carry on with business as usual.
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Aug 16, 2016 21:37
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Aug 16, 2016 21:41
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HI GUYZ  U CALLED???
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:Reminder that MP are like 5% of the vote, majority being inner city people. In current polls and after betraying everything they stand for, yes. In some part this is is old news, since the journalist investigation is around the election and as you know, MP was 2nd largest party in the EU election. Like I said in the post, the support for MP among journalists have probably decreased since then. Alexios posted:Your analysis of that poll makes no sense because V is on the same side as MP regarding immigration yet they have the most contact with immigrant according to that same poll. Your conclusion that a lot of journalists being MP voters and that SD voters thus considers swedish massmedia being out of touch with reality might be right but you haven't proven this with that post when you blatantly picked data that support your analysis and disregard data that doesn't. Eh, with the exception of Fi and MP, most other parties have the same base level of contact with non-european people. 1% is hardly a significant number here. C is also on the same side as MP and C when it comes to immigration, as you know. Saying there are 2 sides is also a stupid simplification. V and MP voters are not the same type of voters. You don't vote for V unless you believe that S is a right-wing party, whereas MP (used to be at least) tried to be a middle party attracting green, liberal inner-city middle-class voters. If you have read the journalist report, you would have noticed a interesting shift around the time when Schyman was replaced by Ohly, and the support for V went down in favour for MP with Wetterstrand/Eriksson (ie when they replaced Schyman with a hardcore communist). Svartvit posted:MP: the Islamist party filled with swarthy cultural deviants. Also the white party where no one has had any contact with immigrants. Well, I think this is a case of "Death Camp of Tolerance" for MP. If you treat foreign-born as exotic people that can do no wrong and it is racist to critisize them, this is what you get. This seemed like a classic case of entryism orchestrated by the Swedish part of the MB and it was clear from the start that Kaplan had dubious connections based on his past history. It is noteworthy that MP have now implemented tighter controls over who reprsents them.
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Aug 17, 2016 08:51
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I think it's unfair to single out Kaplan when the rest of MP's current leadership have also been caught making terrible decisions like every five minutes. It's not like race has any correlation to competence.
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Aug 17, 2016 08:59
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Cardiac posted:In current polls and after betraying everything they stand for, yes.
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Aug 19, 2016 13:26
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MP has like 2,8% or something in the latest polls lol. They hosed up. edit: And Fridolin is the least popular party leader?
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Aug 19, 2016 14:00
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A month ago I wrote a semi-effort post on Amineh Kakabaveh, the black sheep in the V family. The gist of it is that she's made a career fighting oppressive honor culture in the suburbs of Sweden, and now she faces expulsion from the V party because she made a gently caress up: "The news site Expo can reveal that Parliament member Kakabaveh shareda right wing movie clip on Facebook. The movie, which has been made by the extreme right wing group Nordic Youth, portray Somalians, through fake subtitles, as rapists and thieves. On the video there's also a logo of Swedish Television. According to SVT they have no knowledge of having made any such movie. Spokesperson Catarina Wilson said to Expo: -It's obvious that Nordic Youth added our logo to the clip and made their own translation. We haven't seen it before and luckily it hasn't made much of an impact" Horrible translation is mine, but suck it up. She said she didn't finish watching the whole video, just some segments and then turned it off in disgust after the whole "polygami" thing, which means that taken at face value she missed the parts where somalians are portrayed as rapists or thieves. Still, she's apologized and gotten a lot of heat for this blunder. Today, the venerable paper of Aftonbladet posted a debate article from Veteran Ex-V people: http://www.aftonbladet.se/debatt/article23364903.ab quote:Amineh Kakabaveh bildade långt innan hon kom in i riksdagen en organisation för att bekämpa hederskulturen - Varken hora eller kuvad (Vhek). Både som socialarbetare och aktivist har hon bedrivit ett mycket förtjänstfullt arbete för de kvinnor och flickor som utsätts för denna form av könsförtryck. The TL:DR is "She's has worked years as an activist for women exposed to gender oppression. This has not scored her any points with the top brass at V. Instead she's been harshly criticize. Some of the PM's, primarily Rossana Dinamarca and Christina Höj Larsen, even openly criticized her openly in the media. At first they dismissed honor culture as humbu. When Amineh and other women wrote about Islamic moral police in suburbs, they wrote that maybe they do exist, but that we should not speak openly about it if they do, because it was racist to speak about it as it stigmatized the suburbs (see http://www.aftonbladet.se/debatt/debattamnen/jamstalldhet/article21245712.ab and https://feministisktperspektiv.se/2016/06/09/sa-hedrar-vi-pela-atroshi/ ) When Vhek presented a survey that showed how patriarchal oppression worked, Dinamarca explained on Facebook, without having read the survey, that it must be useless, because there was no comparison study. And what would we compare it too - Stockholms inner city?" "The party leaders risk helping conservative antifeminist groups and islamists. This is deeply concerning for the future of the left, in that the leadership of the V party wants to exclude a member who herself has experienced honor culture, and dedicated her life to fight it and create a more equal society" There's also this article: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/samhalle/article23365985.ab quote:Krav på uteslutning Same article has a counterpoint: quote:– Vi har en väldigt tydlig politik vad gäller hedersvåld, vi tycker att det är ett allvarligt problem och är tydliga med att vi bekämpar det precis som allt annat kvinnoförtryck. Not gonna translate cause I'm lazy and tired. My hot take: V should have had Kakabaveh's back on this, and that they are seriously considering expelling her is cowardice or them backstabbing her because they don't like her. They try to make it about her sharing a video, but it's clear that there's been a faction in V that really doesn't like the politics that Amineh represents. The deeper issue is that V are just paying lip service to fighting honor culture, and lacking the courage to outright say there's a growing problem. They try to pass it off as a problem that's totally unrelated to culture or ethnic group, but this willful ignorance is putting women and lgbt people at risk. Quite honestly, it's a shameful display, and Jonas Sjöstedt should be ashamed of himself. This of course is not to say that oppression and discrimination of women only exists in suburbs, or that "normal Swedes" are pillars of gender equality, but I think it's fair to say middle eastern honor culture is a different beast from Swedish sexism. Edit: It's worth noticing, these are the people who wrote the debate article supporting Kakabaveh: Hans Arvidsson, fd studiesekreterare vid partikansliet och riksdagsgruppsekreterare för internationella frågor (V) Annika Cullberg, fd kvinnopolitisk sekreterare vid partikansliet (V) Kenneth Kvist, fd partisekreterare och fd riksdagsledamot (V) Johan Lönnroth, fd vice partiordförande Marianne Eriksson, fd EU-parlamentariker (V) Kerstin Åkare, gruppledare (V) Upplands-Bro Karin Sohlgren, vänsterpartist och fd barnbibliotekarie i Rinkeby Inger Stark, förortsfeminist, aktivist Jonas Lundgren, förortsfeminist, aktivist Siv Holma, fd riksdagledamot (V) Kerstin Österberg, fd handläggare på CSN och feminist I don't know how much clout these people have, but I am a bit suspicious of merits such as "ex administrator at CSN and feminist" "former librarian" and "suburbanfeminist, activist" McCloud fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Aug 19, 2016 |
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So countless people are suffering horribly and their solution is to aggressively pretend nothing is wrong?  Swedish politics in a nutshell. What can we do when the world is on fire? We can close our eyes and hide our heads in sand.
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Whoa In anecdotal news, my parents just got offered a bunch of rates on mortgages since they're buying a cheap house out on the Västragötaland countryside. Lowest rate offered by a major bank so far? 0.35% on a 3 month contract.  With the soon to be 3 month price hike and as of yet no word from Ingves I think this thing might finally be about to pop. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Aug 22, 2016 |
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Aug 22, 2016 11:51
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So the theme for this years book fair in Gothenburg is freedom and speech. Now they threw out a newspaper that have opinions that they're uncomfortable with while still letting all kind of left wing extremist newspaper being represented. Never change Sweden 
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Lord Tywin posted:So the theme for this years book fair in Gothenburg is freedom and speech. Now they threw out a newspaper that have opinions that they're uncomfortable with while still letting all kind of left wing extremist newspaper being represented. Never change Sweden
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Good to know that the far-right still has its tireless defenders busy defending the concept of freedom of speech by whining as all hell when the freedoms of speech and association are exercised by people criticizing the far right.
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kalstrams posted:Could we get a sample of these uncomfortable opinions the exiled newspaper did convey, perhaps? And some of these left wing extremist papers too? The awful "nazis" that were banned http://nyatider.nu/ While poo poo like this https://bokmassan.se/exhibitors/jan-myrdalsallskapet-bibliotek/ http://www.gp.se/n%C3%B6je/kontroversiell-mosk%C3%A9-medverkar-pC3%A5-bokm%C3%A4ssan-1.3717372 Cerebral Bore posted:Good to know that the far-right still has its tireless defenders busy defending the concept of freedom of speech by whining as all hell when the freedoms of speech and association are exercised by people criticizing the far right. You don't see how it's utterly hilarious when a book fair that's supposed to be about freedom of speech bans a newspaper from attending because leftists wants to stop them from attending?
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Lord Tywin posted:The awful "nazis" that were banned
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Lord Tywin posted:You don't see how it's utterly hilarious when a book fair that's supposed to be about freedom of speech bans a newspaper from attending because leftists wants to stop them from attending? Case in point. I know that you're probably too dumb to get it, but for anybody reading, Freedom of Speech does not mean an obligation for others to provide you with a platform for your speech.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Case in point. I know that you're probably too dumb to get it, but for anybody reading, Freedom of Speech does not mean an obligation for others to provide you with a platform for your speech. But Lowtax does it anyway.
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http://expo.se/2016/det-har-ar-nya-tider_7147.htmlquote:Nya tider bildades 2012 sedan interna konflikter i Nationaldemokraterna lett till att Vávra Suk lämnade partiet och Nationell Idag. Suk fick med sig flera av Nationell Idags medarbetare, däribland Sanna Hill, som under en tid var chefredaktör för Nationell Idag men som även skrivit för nazistiska Svenska motståndsrörelsens sajt. just read the entire article, there's lots more I'm sure the truth is in the middle though guys, just stop oppressing free speech Is anybody surprised this nazi paper is very Putin friendly, by the way? TheFluff fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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MiddleOne posted:I think it's unfair to single out Kaplan when the rest of MP's current leadership have also been caught making terrible decisions like every five minutes. It's not like race has any correlation to competence. All true. I especially liked how Fridolin pushed Romson off the cliff for the Kaplan debacle considering that Kaplan was Fridolins choice along with Bah Kunke. In comparison Romsons pick at least so far seems somewhat competent (with emphasis on "so far seems" ) Also, in retrospect I think that the favourable treatment of MP in media in part led to MP having unrealistic expectations on what would happen once they were in power and they have been paying for it. Lord Tywin posted:The awful "nazis" that were banned Lol, if you think Bokmässan is anything else than Tinder for sex-starved librarians that wants to gently caress Martin Schibbye. Also, I would like to congratulate Bokmässan on giving Nya Tider exactly what they wanted. You would think that after 10 years, people would know when they are provoked. This way Nya Tider got more publicity compared to being just another lovely book stand at Bokmässan. Fox Cunning posted:MP has like 2,8% or something in the latest polls lol. They hosed up. And judging by Vs polling numbers it seems like the rest of the MP voters are heading that way. The green-liberal ones have already left for other parties. I still think they will remain in the Riksdag though. S have more or less completely broken MP and it is going to keep that way until next election. MP have consistently folded on their "important" (read unrealistic) political goals and have basically told S that they will do everything just to remain in the government. In comparison V made the much smarter decision of being outside and still get their way with the budget given the election result. I can easily say that the winners of the current mandate period is going to be V. As for SD, they will probably end up somewhere around their current election result, which is a massive letdown for them considering the polls the last year. This is mostly due to the 180 turn S and M have done on immigration politics and it is going to keep on being this way until next election, in the same was as when DF got 10% in Denmark. Last weeks proposal on a begging ban by S is just one thing. The whys are very obvious given the polls the last 6 months. Both S and M have realised that they can get back voters from SD by adopting their politics, while not being SD with all that entails. Especially for S this is important since the latest SCB told them that they had gotten back LO voters from SD. In some ways this is a return to the old way, where S&M jointly decided immigration politics.
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Cardiac posted:Also, I would like to congratulate Bokmässan on giving Nya Tider exactly what they wanted. So how do we prevent all these lunatics from steadily dragging public discourse into the gutter?
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You can't do anything, since everything is Good For The Right.
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So the question has been raised" would you ask a male politician if he felt nervous?". With the implication being that women gets asked this but never men and that this is bad. If there is a double standard here then that is bad. But eh, yeah i would like to know if certain male politicans felt nervous when giving a speech. Women are often held to a stricter more demanding standard which is unfair. The best solution is to also and with equal force apply the same standard to men. In the developed world women are progressing, men are backsliding. This is because we men decided it was ok and cool to a have lazy " aw-shucks i`ll just wing it" attitude to life. Women in general are not socialized to have this lovely attitude, instead they feel like they have to over perform and really do their homework to not get ridiculed. We men could use some of that neurotic paranoia and self-doubt. We ougth be more like Clinton and less like Trump. In short do ask male politicans if they feel nervous and why they wear such ill/well fitting suits. Its good for society.
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Baudolino posted:So the question has been raised" would you ask a male politician if he felt nervous?". With the implication being that women gets asked this but never men and that this is bad. If there is a double standard here then that is bad. But eh, yeah i would like to know if certain male politicans felt nervous when giving a speech. Do you ever feel nervous about posting?
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Baudolino posted:So the question has been raised" would you ask a male politician if he felt nervous?". With the implication being that women gets asked this but never men and that this is bad. If there is a double standard here then that is bad. But eh, yeah i would like to know if certain male politicans felt nervous when giving a speech. There there. It's alright. I also have deep-settled feelings of self loathing.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Do you ever feel nervous about posting? No as a man i am culturally programmed to not feel such emotion. You merely prove my point.
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If anyone comes across the stupid Eurabia argument with person that actually does not mind reading/listening, Statistics Sweden have published figures for 2015.
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