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BonHair posted:having idiots around you is actually good for remembering that the SA socialist echo chamber is not representative of everyone. How did this actually happen anyways?
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I think if people wear their right wing beliefs on their sleeve it's not a good sign and it obviously gets annoying, but I think what you really want to do with these people is to just try to find some common ground and don't immediately sort them as "ignore". Chances are they haven't though through a lot of that stuff and it doesn't help them change their minds if they're just cast out or ridiculed. If you want to engage with them a good way might be to agree to some of what they're saying and then gently problematize it, like if they say lefties are annoying and self-righteous you can say yeah I get what you're saying but there are some problems in society that they want to fix and things you could do through politics to really help people a lot, etc. Getting them fired is a big no no in most cases imo because that just reinforces their feeling of being persecuted like Illych said. You don't want to be a HR socialist. I think those guys are annoying as hell so I understand that part really well.
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Feb 12, 2021 15:25
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MiddleOne posted:All you're doing is selecting for people who are like you. While this is certainly true, I don't think it is an inherently bad thing in the context of having to deliver at your workplace under capitalism, or even in a hypothetical socialist utopia. To clarify, I'm worried about it possibly contributing to racist/sexist hiring practices in the society we find ourselves in, but having a team that communicates well and share sensibilities should be of clear benefit in most vocations. Fearmongering over groupthink/echo chambers is liberal bullshit, recently appropriated by the right wing.
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Feb 12, 2021 16:41
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Anyway, buy him an account here and we can set him straight. Yeah, that clearly works  And here I thought that 20 year of internet have shown that you don’t change people’s opinions by arguing but rather you cement them in their echo chamber of choice.
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Feb 12, 2021 18:33
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Cardiac posted:Yeah, that clearly works
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Feb 12, 2021 19:27
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Your presence in the thread was literally the punchline of that joke. I aim to please.
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Feb 12, 2021 19:34
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Cardiac posted:Yeah, that clearly works I mean, SA itself has changed a lot politically over the years. LF and D&D both started out pretty libertarian. The point is that you can't get a sense of whether you'll work well with someone in a 45 minute interview, and you might actually work well with the libertarian once you get to know him. I've worked amazingly with people very different from myself, but absolutely cannot cook with my wife because we're too similar and terrible. But if you only have initial chemistry to go by, you won't find out what could have been. This is why hiring is a huge gamble essentially, and part of the reason you have a tryout period in new jobs.
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Feb 12, 2021 20:22
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Just gonna re-quote the initial post for those who missed it:Katt posted:A new Co-worker is casually dropping Jordan Peterson quotes at lunch and has some very strong opinions on the wage gap and the priorities of the "new left". Maybe the poster works in a toxic enough industry that this won't stand out, but anyone with the ability to hire someone less lovely should absolutely endeavour to do so. At best they're a future hostile work environment case.
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Feb 12, 2021 23:24
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evil_bunnY posted:Yes, let's just agree to not talk about how he hates women and lefties, and they can go on doing a good job together. I haven't met the guy, but if he literally hates women, then warn your boss immediately instead of posting about it on a dumb internet forum. If its just you being a hyperbolic goon, then maybe rethink your own attitudes on people with differing political beliefs.
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Feb 13, 2021 08:05
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A hijabi was repeatedly punched in the face and spat on by an elderly couple. The man who came to her rescue when one attacker retrieved a steering wheel lock from his car to finish the job, told the victim her hijab was "also very provocative". Police deny it was a hate crime.
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Feb 17, 2021 18:13
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Y'all ready for FRP lead by Sylvi and Solvik-Olsen? 
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Feb 18, 2021 17:24
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listhaug would almost certainly make the party too toxic for the centrist elements of H as well as the liberals going to be interesting to see how they're planning on getting a right of centre government any time soon maybe they're hoping for an outright frp-H majority, but that's hard to see imo
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Listhaug as leader would probably scare off the people who are not already too far gone, right? While Solvik-Olsen may be able to masquerade as reasonable enough for libertarian-leaning people to give him the benefit of the doubt? I'm not sure which is worse. Obviously Listhaug in a position of power seems like the scariest option at face value.
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Feb 18, 2021 22:35
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listhaug is a psycho, but she's pretty clearly doing her job as a communications consultant for the richest, weirdest people in the country. whenever there's been serious rumblings about splitting the party or doing anything especially dramatic, she's backed off and supported jensen. especially with the recent purges in bergen and oslo have noted her as an enforcer for jensen's leadership. her specialty is digging up stupid culture war bullshit and blaring it loudly enough to piss people off, but during her tenure in government (especially in agriculture) most of her actual political work was just stridently serving business and trying to impose a view of the agricultural sector as p. much just another commercial sector - i forget what, exactly she did, but some of it was pretty clever stuff which i'm pretty sure will accelerate the trend of smaller farmers getting pushed out in favour of larger, more commercially viable monoculture businesses. with her as leader, she's going to keep up that strategy imo, with a front of hardline right-wing culture war meat and strong anti-environment, anti-worker and anti-region policy. it's going to ensure the failure of ropstad's turn towards american-style christian conservativism and kill krf for good, though
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Feb 18, 2021 22:56
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Ah like every sosse/centrist/right wing politician in scandinavia. I actually have a hard time to come up with any reasonably famous politician who isnt a corporate whore.
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Feb 19, 2021 09:02
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listhaug is a bit special in that she so forcefully fronts something that she's not - i can believe that some of the others on the Frp reactionary wing believe in something, but listhaug seems genuinely totally mercenary, meaning that we're going to have a very expensive PR consultant/politcal influencer for hire running an actual political party it's all a bit unnerving
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Feb 19, 2021 10:25
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Reading about the "rusreform" in Norway... Picturing me and my boys moving there, matching lusekoftor, buying 15 grams of fjord weed for 10,000 SEK... Paradise!
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Feb 19, 2021 12:35
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Konec Hry posted:Reading about the "rusreform" in Norway... Picturing me and my boys moving there, matching lusekoftor, buying 15 grams of fjord weed for 10,000 SEK... Paradise! Mostly just seems to me that possession of amounts below a certain threshold will no longer be a legal matter, though police are still within their rights to search you and confiscate those. This isn't really anything close to being able to legally buy weed over the counter.
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Feb 19, 2021 13:17
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gently caress, Weedmonopolet closes in 20 minutes and I'm too stoned to get off the sofa. Syttende mai is ruined!
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Feb 19, 2021 13:35
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big scary monsters posted:Weedmonopolet Everyone should want this to be a reality, if only just to see what would happen if Scandinavian bureaucracy met "weed culture".
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V. Illych L. posted:listhaug is a bit special in that she so forcefully fronts something that she's not - i can believe that some of the others on the Frp reactionary wing believe in something, but listhaug seems genuinely totally mercenary, meaning that we're going to have a very expensive PR consultant/politcal influencer for hire running an actual political party If you think about it, is that not what liberals consider the ideal politician? Someone whose job is to represent the interests of others rather than coming into it with their own ideology and goals? If what you say is true, she'd ostensibly have a completely transactional relationship with the people who legitimize and pay her, be that party, business, and eeeh... voters?
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Feb 19, 2021 14:57
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Konec Hry posted:Everyone should want this to be a reality, if only just to see what would happen if Scandinavian bureaucracy met "weed culture". So weed culture but somehow whiter. Didn’t think it was possible but prove me wrong* *please let me give you tax money for weed it’s 2021 even if it’s mids, cmon be cool.
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thotsky posted:If you think about it, is that not what liberals consider the ideal politician? Someone whose job is to represent the interests of others rather than coming into it with their own ideology and goals? If what you say is true, she'd ostensibly have a completely transactional relationship with the people who legitimize and pay her, be that party, business, and eeeh... voters? imo her bosses are transparently the very rich. she's good at doing stupid culture war nonsense, but she doesn't really follow it up internally or in terms of policy. even at immigration she mostly did the same as all the other frp people, which is bad but you'd expect it to be worse. it's imo pretty clearly a case of waving a red cloth as a distraction from actual politics, and she's succeeded pretty well at that historically i doubt that it'll work as well when she's leader, though
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Feb 19, 2021 15:47
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also weedmonopolet would unironically be good policy imo
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Yeah weedbolaget would be really nice and good IMO. gently caress bring back the "notbok" and tie it into your Id card if the government is worried about people smoking too much. But noooo leta keep it illegal so thousands of lifes gets hosed up. Love being seen as a criminal and a degenerate cause I dont like alcohol as a way to relax. I had surgery a couple of weeks ago and there was a box with "do you do drugs? " and like I smoke but I wont tell them since there is no loving information at all what they will do with that information. Will they go to the cops? Demand clean piss tests before surgery? And like I figure they get hella suspicuous if you ask. Also weedbolaget would put a stop to that stupid gateway argument. gently caress it would be nice if the politicians took some loving responsibility for their people for once, instead of being moralistic assholes who think they can win the war on drugs/weed. Zombiepop fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Feb 19, 2021 15:59
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I actually mailed Mikael Damberg cause his dumb rear end comments in "Sverige möts", about his "I have never talked to any cops who think it would make a difference" bullshit. No answer so far. I really would like a comment from him regarding both UN and WHO supporting decriminalization, and like multipel police chiefs around the world. Sossarna is really getting quite creepy with their cop dick sucking. Yes lets ignore research cause this dumb rear end fascist cop says so. Man this poo poo gets me riled up, but eh its personal at this point for me. Too many wasted lives and deaths around these days. But they smoke weed or deal drugs so they aint human beings, their lifes have no worth - sossarna. Zombiepop fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Feb 19, 2021 16:10
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Zombiepop posted:Yeah weedbolaget would be really nice and good IMO. gently caress bring back the "notbok" and tie it into your Id card if the government is worried about people smoking too much. So whether they tell and keep that info on file I can’t attest to, but you’re asked that as it affects anesthesia. I don’t blame your hesitation, I had to go do a whole song and dance for Trafikverket regarding my legally prescribed antidepressants and “will I be a danger” type poo poo. My doctor told me point blank “it sucks that if you lied, you’d never be found out, you’re being penalized for being honest.” I answered honestly because I figured that they could look it up? So like don’t lie? Egg on my face, could have gotten away with being sadbrained and behind the wheel. But yes, I don’t like that drinking myself sick is totally fine and normal here and having a joint means I’m a degenerate. I’m a degenerate for entirely different purposes thanks.
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Feb 19, 2021 16:46
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Just heard on Swedish radio that Swedens corona death rate when compared to the rest of Europe and not counting the rest of Scandinavia is actually one of the lowest.
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Feb 19, 2021 16:51
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Agree that Weedmonopolet would actually be good and I am hopeful that if Norway ever gets around to legalisation something like that is what we would get. On the general topic, it's an extremely open secret that UK politicians, especially on the right, really love coke. Prominent cabinet ministers have shown up in Parliament looking pretty obviously hosed up (the current Prime Minister among them), but they are of course all vehemently against any softening of the UK's drug prohibition. I somehow don't see Solberg as the type to sneak off to the Stortingsbaderom with a big baggie between sessions, but is there that kind of obvious "one rule for the proles, scarface_desk.gif for us" among the Norwegian political class too?
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Feb 19, 2021 17:03
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Katt posted:Just heard on Swedish radio that Swedens corona death rate when compared to the rest of Europe and not counting the rest of Scandinavia is actually one of the lowest. The tiger related death rate in Sweden is also one of the lowest compared to the rest of the world.
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I have heard it explained once with "rich people like wine, and poor people will revolt if there's no spirits so therefore it is legal". If that was the only consideration you would expect blow to be legal though. I have it on good authority that a lot of well to do folks drop by our various institutions for a spell after drug-fueled psychotic episodes, so it's hardly just the proles into it.
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Feb 19, 2021 17:06
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thotsky posted:I have heard it explained once with "rich people like wine, and poor people will revolt if there's no spirits so therefore it is legal". I always heard this was also the rationale behind the Svalbard alcohol quota - limited beer and spirits for the miners, unlimited wine for the mine owners.
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Norway is one of the countries with the strictest views on drugs in Europe. It will take decades to soften that attitude. If ever legalize weed and other drugs we will be among the very last western countries to do so. And even then there will a bunch of lame rules making it illegal to sell eatables that taste good so kids won`t mistake them for candy. I don`t know anyone over 30 that is for decriminilazation. The argument that drugs already available to kids and is already loving up people`s lives despite prohibition never register. They all act like this a debate on whether or not it`s good to have substance abuse and youths dying of overdoses, which makes me look like a pro-dead kids rear end in a top hat. KrF really pissed me off with their argument of "We are for punishing drug users because we love them too much to give up on them." The sick fucks actually beleive their own bullshit. False humanism i call it. I am quite disappointed with SP`s anti reform stance This is not the pragmatism that made me join. SP should be all for small farms being allowed to supplement their income by growing weed. Agriculture in Norway is never going to be a very profitable venture, so why not allow farmers to grow cash crops that we now people are willing to pay dearly for? Combine that by straigh up banning weed-mega farms and mandating that the weedmonopoly must buy exclusivly from domestic producers and you got yourself a bonafide pro-decentralisation, pro-farmer SP policy. But no, drugs bad, must punish the bad folk is sadly a much easier sell. If we start now we could have a strong "The High North" brand by the time weed becomes mainstream in EU, but no i am sure we will let this opportunity slip trough our fingers like we have done so many times before.
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Katt posted:Just heard on Swedish radio that Swedens corona death rate when compared to the rest of Europe and not counting the rest of Scandinavia is actually one of the lowest. If it is the one I also heard about, they didn’t include Sweden’s number during December. Also lol at trying to pretend Sweden did a good job by comparing with the rest of Europe when Norway, Finland and Denmark are much better comparisons for a number of obvious reasons.
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A large reason for this is that there is no reason to believe that legalization would reduce drug use. I don't think legalization would do much harm, but the strategy is a conservative one, with the goal of minimizing abuse. One can argue that legalization would open new business possibilities, and reduce crime, but these things are not what the Norwegian substance use policy is about. If drug crimes was as big of a deal in Norway as it is in the US our policy would probably be quite different. I don't see legalization being a thing until liberalism completely dominates Norwegian politics, or a definite case is made for legalization leading to less drug use.
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Eh the dutch dont smoke that much weed even tho its legalish. They smoke less than italy or czech republic for example. So you could argue people smoke less when its legal. But who knows really. I think if the big euro dogs move towards a legal status, scandinavia(or sweden atleast) will follow. Like there is a lot less stigma IMO these days compared to like 10 years ago. Back then at like a party I was "one of those guys that smoke" and these days even the goodie goodie people wants a lil puff of that sticky icky when I party. gently caress even my mom is pro legalization now, and there is atleast some voices in the media who argue for decriminalization/legalization so I try to stay optimistic. But like its gonna be 10-20 years or so. And If the big dogs keep it illegal you can probably add another 20 years. https://www.gp.se/debatt/ska-vi-ta-en-fika-och-prata-om-legalisering-mikael-damberg-1.41516965 I mean this sort of statement would have been impossible only 5 years ago. A cop that is for leglization! There is a god! Zombiepop fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Cardiac posted:If it is the one I also heard about, they didn’t include Sweden’s number during December. The second wave didn't hit quite as bad here as in much of the rest of europe so I guess sweden did catch up a bit so to speak  https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
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One thing to consider with Norway is that overall rates of drug use are actually very low, even for cannabis (general term probably better here, because as far as I'm aware hash is still more easily obtainable and cheaper than weed), but what we do have is one of the highest rates of intravenous drug usage, primarily heroin, and as a result of that a high OD rate. It's not nearly as bad as it was during the 80s and 90s, and I think the part decade actually has seen substantial improvement, but it remains a significant, if marginal (in the sense that much of society can choose to ignore the problem in many ways, for instance by dispersing and chasing away drug users from places where they openly congregate) social problem. Much of the rethoric around cannabis has always centered arond the "gateway drug" argument, which is often criticized, but is not without its merit when people seeking to buy cannabis will come into contact with the same crowds who also use and sell other drugs, up to and including heroin. Recognizing that provides the best argument for full legalization IMO, as you could more clearly separate buying cannabis from harder drugs, of course if someone is really out to get those they'll probably still be able to, but you might cut slightly into it and together with treatment for heroin addicts in general rather than punishment could work together to get at the problem.
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Wait are you all considering cannabis different than hash because it’s the same thing, one is just a product of the other. Like Milk - Butter, Cannabis - Hash. Another reason why I’d really love legalization is to be able to educate others and provide safe ways of access, usage, what to do if you smoke too much, ways to get help if you’re worried about addiction, how to clean a loving bong without smoking gross chemical residue - I want to be that advocate for responsible, knowledgeable usage yknow? Except for rolling a joint somehow I still can’t do that but that’s besides the point. Like it’s all well and good to legalize it and sell it, but I want consumers to know what they’re buying and a basic level of education surrounding cannabis that isn’t scare tactic bullshit. The knowledge is even surrounded in stigma and that’s kinda dangerous, even if it is weed. (This is the closest thing to a calling in life I feel I sort of have, so I’m passionate I guess)
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The cool part is thats exactly how Systembolaget and Vinmonopolet try to deal with alcohol and it would be awesome to see them deal with weed in the same way! Well in a lol kind of way. Like 100% dry texts about how to separate your mj types, taste and texture classifications and cute and/or awkward videos about how you make brownies properly. The hard part is how do you do public and technical tastings without getting baked like you can kind of do with alcohol. (have some work experience with systembolaget and there was always some running low key joke what they would have to do if weed got legal and regulated) Threadkiller Dog fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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