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BigglesSWE posted:https://twitter.com/nassreddin2002/status/1581995614841118725?s=46&t=jTctRNhJJPN16aEp3eHRsw L in Stockholm are in riot. Basically it's the Skåne part of L that is staunches in the pro-SD line, and also were instrumental in pushing L towards the right the last couple of years. Both in leaving the januariavtal and now in throwing their lot in with Ulf and Jimmie. The knives will be out again in L and the temporary truce after the recent cease fire is in question. This is a poison pill. When you, as a L leader, has nothing more substantial to say after the negotiations than "kids should be carrying books, not guns", you got zero. Nothing. It's amazingly bad for L, and trying to sell it as a "liberal borgerlig regering" doesn't work when everyone can see that there's not an ounce of liberal politics involved in the agreement.
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BigglesSWE posted:https://twitter.com/nassreddin2002/status/1581995614841118725?s=46&t=jTctRNhJJPN16aEp3eHRsw Came to post this. Lol what a poo poo show.
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Pehrson’s explanation about how you naturally say one thing before the election and then something different after it must become one of those infamously poorly worded things in the public consciousness. Literally every article and puff piece about him going forward needs to have that stamped at the bottom, Carthago delenda est style.
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 Last Thursday there was no coffee bread for the negotiations, just Uffe who came in with 3 balloons, a rubber duck, 6 toothpicks and the magic words, "jag har en plan".
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To justify their position on elderly having the right to reject headscarves in home care, NB has now said that they should also be able to ask for no Jews or homosexuals. I mean, at least it's consistent.
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SplitSoul posted:To justify their position on elderly having the right to reject headscarves in home care, NB has now said that they should also be able to ask for no Jews or homosexuals. I mean, at least it's consistent. Wait, can you still get a replacement care worker in that case? Because if so, that could lead to some grade A trolling by going "no cishets, no socks, no gingers"... Also looking forward to the outrage about "no Jews"
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SplitSoul posted:To justify their position on elderly having the right to reject headscarves in home care, NB has now said that they should also be able to ask for no Jews or homosexuals. I mean, at least it's consistent. I suppose they want to import kuwaiti gay detectors then 
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Hah, if they did it to make a point, it’s a great one. Somehow I suspect it wasn’t an ironic suggestion to demonstrate how ridiculous to reject someone based on their choice of headwear. Anyway, I only want people who play an instrument and there has to be an audition where I score the applicants based on rhythm, creativity and complexity of composition.
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That's the only good adaption of Olsenbanden, having been properly reformated for a new audience rather than simply remade in another (mutually intelligible at the time) language to protect the most parochial people of the world from coming into contact with a "foreign" element.
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So many stories lately in the Danish press about the crisis in the healthcare system due to nurses quitting and no young people being educated for it in the pipeline, and so few of the stories bother mentioning the context that the government stepped in last year and forced a stop to a nursing strike that met none of their demands for higher pay. But all the stories have quotes from candidates of the same parties that shut down the strike about how they will handle the problem, as though it just blossomed into being for no reason at all (certainly not as a direct result of their actions). SD deserves to lose, but the only possible replacement on the table is even worse. And SD knows it - they are cheering on Alternativet getting above the mandate threshold, because they know that they will be obedient lapdogs and vote for Mette and not cause any waves. Where is the communist socialism hellhole I was promised?
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And this bunch of clowns will lead the country for the next four years.
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Inferior Third Season posted:
In the early 80s.
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Inferior Third Season posted:So many stories lately in the Danish press about the crisis in the healthcare system due to nurses quitting and no young people being educated for it in the pipeline, and so few of the stories bother mentioning the context that the government stepped in last year and forced a stop to a nursing strike that met none of their demands for higher pay. But all the stories have quotes from candidates of the same parties that shut down the strike about how they will handle the problem, as though it just blossomed into being for no reason at all (certainly not as a direct result of their actions). Nurses earn about 44k dkk a year on average. They’re in the top income quartile for the public sector and above the median wage of the whole labour market. As additional anecdata, literally none the nurses I know (I know more than a few for various reasons) think more pay will solve their problems. They all say they need more colleagues, as in more nurses. It’s the workload that’s the problem, not the salary. Unfortunately the nurses union politicians have climbed up a tree, with setting higher pay as the singular goal, and the problem won’t be solved for decades because of it. E: nurses along with police, teachers and probably academics are the public sector employees who need a pay rise the least Ee: unless we’re taking about a ‘unlimited funds’ situation. Then sure, pay rises for everyone. Revelation 2-13 fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Oct 19, 2022 |
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Inferior Third Season posted:Where is the communist socialism hellhole I was promised? A popular interpretation of the song "Var é vargen" is that it's about the revolution that never comes. People have been asking this since forever, where the gently caress is the socialist revolution we've been promised. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbwqbJG27JM I have little hope for a socialist future but I ain't giving up, I just get depressed since it's taking forever and in the meantime things keep getting worse.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Nurses earn about 44k dkk a year on average. They’re in the top income quartile for the public sector and above the median wage of the whole labour market. As additional anecdata, literally none the nurses I know (I know more than a few for various reasons) think more pay will solve their problems. They all say they need more colleges, as in more nurses. It’s the workload that’s the problem, not the salary.
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Feliday Melody posted:I know nurses and teachers in Sweden, and they all make a ton of money. I have no idea where the low income stuff comes from. I dont know about sweden, but in denmark the main difference between police and nurses salaries, is that nurses start lower. The front end of the distribution is longer so to speak. If nurses started two/three "years" ahead of where they start now, they would have a pretty much identical salary to policemen, who are paid extraordirnarily well, compared to other public sector employees. Among other things, nurses get a big pay increase after 8 years of experience. As i said, nurses are already in the top income quartile for the public sector in denmark. The average nurses salary is more than 500.000(!!) dkk a year. A Buttery Pastry posted:IIRC, the idea that they make more than the median requires that you don't control for age and the fact that nurses work long shifts, including night shifts. I'm sure more nurses would be greatly appreciated, but let's not pretend like there aren't reasons why nurse pay should rightly be above the median. No and yes. That is, it's not about controlling for age, there are more older nurses, because there are more older people in general. That's the case for every group of employees in denmark (loving boomers, is there anything they wont ruin?), especially in the public sector. Despite the nurses union talking up a storm about it, the average nurse age have increased slower than many other public sector groups. Yes, they do earn a somewhat bigger part of their total salary for nightshift-pay, compared other public sector employees (1-2%), but we have to compare apples to apples, when we compare salary levels. We can't just take random elements out of the salary and compare it to other groups full salary. Nurses do however get higher than normal overtime and nighttime compensation, which is another reason it makes up a bigger part of their full salary,, compared to groups who get less in generous overtime and nighttime pay. (EDIT: Removed example about biomaterials, that's not nurses, that's hospital porters, sorry). Finally, there are (as mentioned above) quite a few nurses on part-time. Part-time does not only mean lower pay, by the amount of hours below full time you're working, it also means a slightly lower salary overall (accounting for the fewer hours). This is the case with all part-time work, for a variety of reasons. In this case, having a lot of employees on part-time, means the average salary becomes artifically lower than it actually is. I hate this issue, because the nurses union is objectively and facutally wrong, and it gives ammuntion to people like the 'two-and-half men'-party and all kinds of neoliberal/-fascist (but i repeat myself) assholes. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that nurses are living the high life and are rolling in it. I'm saying that they're among the highest paid public sector groups. Personally, I also think a lot of other groups should get money before nurses. Like the homeless or the unemployed, or the myriad of actually poorly paid jobs. Like busdrivers, childcare workers, eldercare workers, all earn 10.000 less than a nurses a month, 10.000 a month! Many also has to work nights and overtime and under awful conditions and so on. Edit: removed an example, i misremembered the group Revelation 2-13 fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Oct 19, 2022 |
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What goals should the nurses union have instead of greater pay? Especially considering a newly graduated nurse makes something like 165 kr/h. While an uneducated teachers substitute makes 190 kr/h.
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vuk83 posted:What goals should the nurses union have instead of greater pay? A newly gradunated nurse makes 200 kr/h on average. Anyway, imo the nurses union should be working around the clock pushing the politicians and hospital management for better working conditions, lowering work pressure (fewer tasks, and more time to do them), to more nurses in the wards, have better norms, and so on. Which is what every nurse I've talked to about it actually wants. Instead the DSR union politicians have hitched everything to increasing the salary of one of the better paid public sector groups. It solves none of the problems, in some ways it makes them worse. Like obviously nurses should be paid the same as teachers. They're paid slightly less atm. and they really shouldn't be, it's stupid. Tjere are various reasons, some historical, some gender related, some supply/demand related. If the public sector was swimming in money (rather than swimming in idiot politicians looking to 'starve the beast') I'd say increase everyone elses wages to nurse level, increase nurse pay to teacher level, lower police to teacher level and allow them normal rights to strike and so on. Jobs done. That's probably 50 billion dkk though. Tax the rich harder is my suggestion. None of that will happen.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:A newly gradunated nurse makes 200 kr/h on average. The nurses union have been talking to politicians about conditions since king of diamonds was Jack. Jack poo poo was done. And according to the danish model workload and working conditions are a leadership prerogative, not something negotiated in overenskomst. The only thing negotiated in overenskomsten is compensation and rights regarding employment status, sick leave etc. Not working conditions.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:A newly gradunated nurse makes 200 kr/h on average. If it's the same as in Sweden then I guess a main problem for nurses is that they are required to do all kinds of tasks all the time, including a whole bunch of tasks that could be handed to non nurses. For example case registrations and various administrative support tasks that could be handled to medical secretaries or just regular office workers.
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vuk83 posted:The nurses union have been talking to politicians about conditions since king of diamonds was Jack. Jack poo poo was done. You are super wrong and you have no clue what you’re talking about. Working conditions is a core part of overenskomster, it’s practically the main thing they revolved around. Why do you think there is five weeks of paid vacation? A 37-hour work week. What do you think the rules around paid lunch breaks, arbejdstidsaftaler generally, flextime, senior-days, childcare-days, the rules regulating the use of overtime and nightshirts? It’s because collective bargaining agreements primary role is regulating working conditions. Pay negotiations are directly tied to workload as well. Yes, there is also a ‘leadership prerogative’, but that solely is about directing and organizing work, and is in no way somehow mutually exclusive to negotiating about working conditions. Yes, management can tell you ‘tough poo poo, you have to work faster’, but unions can totally (and have historically) challenge that, both via collective bargaining, but also locally outside the collective bargaining periods, in the various councils and board they sit on. Even if somehow working conditions wasn’t set in overenskomster (which they are, almost by definition, since pay has always been considered part of the working conditions) the unions still have plenty of places to address the real issues. They collaborate with management locally to organize work. They sit on management boards. They are in samarbejdsudvalg. They regularly have lobby meetings with politicians (local and national), they’re commissions, run media campaigns, support politicians, give answers to hearings and so on. Unfortunately, the bad guys do those things too and to greater effect. It is however, absolutely ridiculous to suggest that they somehow can’t address working conditions.
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Zudgemud posted:If it's the same as in Sweden then I guess a main problem for nurses is that they are required to do all kinds of tasks all the time, including a whole bunch of tasks that could be handed to non nurses. For example case registrations and various administrative support tasks that could be handled to medical secretaries or just regular office workers. Yeah basically if you could flood health care clinics, hospitals, elder care homes etc. with lower or non-qualified workers who could do a lot of the day-to-day jobs that don't require years of education, things would improve a lot. Oh and there's a whole bunch of people without jobs. Maybe they could do it? No, better spend those billions on private contractor profits.
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lilljonas posted:Yeah basically if you could flood health care clinics, hospitals, elder care homes etc. with lower or non-qualified workers who could do a lot of the day-to-day jobs that don't require years of education, things would improve a lot. Considering they also want to add a language requirement for those jobs, I don't think the current Swedish government is prepared to solve it that way. I don't think the current Swedish government is prepared to solve just about anything but, I guess that's me.
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