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A Buttery Pastry posted:Hey, what's this I hear about Sweden abandoning anonymous voting? Eh, that's probably some alt-right bullshit. Where'd you hear it?
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throw to first drat IT posted:Famous Alt-Right organization, OSCE. I wanted to come back to this - yes, OSCE monitored the Swedish elections this year, which had never happened before. However, their findings will not be published for several months. There is however already conspiracy theories doing the rounds on far-right social media about some non-existent danish observer expressing shock at the swedish elections. Source, in Swedish: https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=7040557 TLDR: OSCE hasn't said poo poo about the swedish elections yet.
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The anecdote I've always heard was that Gothenburg had the best layed-out roads in Sweden - back when we had left-side driving. Then we switched to the right, and the city never recovered. E: Hupp! Apparently the Alliance are opening up for co-operation with S: http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/alliansen-bjuder-in-s-till-samtal-1.8216844 (The original source is Dagens Nyheter, but they won't let you view their site with an add blocker, so fuckem) Mr. Sunshine fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Sep 12, 2018 |
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Sep 12, 2018 08:29
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Zzulu posted:Gothenburg is a really ugly city Du kan vara ful! Central Stockholm with the Castle, Parliament and Old Town is nice, I'll give you that.
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Sep 12, 2018 10:24
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Pyromaniac Ida posted:Liseberg makes gröna lund look like Pripyat. 
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Sep 12, 2018 12:26
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The armed forces as they stand are a loving joke. We can't repel an invasion. We can't support the civilian authorities in case of an emergency. We can't properly participate in any foreign interventions, UN missions or whatever. We have more artillery generals than we have actual artillery pieces. The politicians need to decide what we actually want to do with our defense forces, then rebuild the armed forces from the ground up with this goal in mind.
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Sep 17, 2018 10:55
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The problem with the Swedish Armed Forces isn't really the budget. You could pour five times as much money into it and not get much more back. The problem is that no-one in the political area has any idea what we're supposed to do with the Armed Forces, and the generals in the Armed Forces are all busy trying to keep their tiny part of it alive. Forget the "one week defense". The Swedish Armed Forces wouldn't survive 48 hours against any realistic opponent (read: russia). Our only hope would be the national guard going to ground and waging an ISIS style guerrilla war.
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Sep 17, 2018 11:43
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Beeswax posted:Any monthly income above SEK 35,000 is unseeming and gauche. Any monthly income above 50,000 should be taxed at 100%. I agree with the sentiment, but cost of living will have to be taken into account. In one of the major cities 35,000 will pay rent and a cup of coffee.
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Sep 25, 2018 12:32
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The taxes in Sweden aren't a burden on regular people, and the problem isn't people making 20.000 kr/month versus people making 40.000 kr/month. The problem, as always and everywhere, is multi-millionaire inherited wealth assholes who cry and whine because they can't afford a third yacht, and billion-dollar companies using legal fuckery to pay exactly 0 kr in taxes.
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Sep 26, 2018 09:01
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Zudgemud posted:Or is this more of a rig traps and shoot the whole family at once/pest control?
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Sep 28, 2018 09:33
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I was trying to figure that out myself (wrt Gothenburg), and the demarcations between stad, kommun and landsting seem pretty drat confused to me.
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Oct 12, 2018 12:58
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Biomute posted:I'm honestly very surprised Alliansen did not immediately roll over and start working with SD from day one. There's really nothing keeping them from doing so ideologically, so I'm guessing it is something like M not being large or popular enough to feel comfortable having SD as a support party like Høyre is with FrP. I'd say that traditionally, none of the parties that came to make up Alliansen have very much in common with SD. SD has only one defining ideological issue - racism - and everything else from blut und boden nationalism to core family patriarchy and homophobia comes about only because their troglodyte voters and politicians go unthinkingly with gut feeling and "common sense". There's not a single ideologue or philosopher among them, and their kind of vulgar populism/fascism lite was marginalized in Swedish politics until a decade ago or so. L (formerly FP) and C used to be fairly centrist when it came to social issues, and for a little while there it seemed like KD was eyeing a position on the left wing of the bourgeoisie bloc as the "compassionate conservatives". Even M appeared to have taken a left turn when they re-branded themselves as "the new workers' party". Then the world got scary, with economic recession, terror attacks, war and waves of refugees, and everyone took a hard right. L decided that what they really wanted to be was the Law And Order party. C was taken over by the libertarian brain parasite. KD deranged themselves into believing that Sweden was the US, and went all in on anti-abortion and homophobia. SD reared its ugly head, and M thinks that if they just make themselves really really like SD, the voters will come back. Luckily there's enough social-liberals left among the voters to hold L and C's feet to the fire over collaborating with SD. I have no doubt that if any of those two give in and join a ruling coalition with SD, they'll be abandoned by the voters, fall below the 4% limit and cease to be a meaningful political force for a generation.
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Oct 22, 2018 19:54
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Randarkman posted:I guess this will be it for Norwegian politics in what is now the Swedish politics thread. 
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Oct 22, 2018 19:56
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I think the major thing preventing a right-wing coalition with Alliansen + SD is fear among the smaller parties (C and L, KD has gone off the deep end and is a lost cause). They're closing in on that 4% limit, and the risk of pissing off enough of the old reliable voters is a terrible enough possibility to keep them away from the fascists. Biomute posted:"No ideology" is ideology.
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Oct 22, 2018 22:18
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Well, the upside of having a functioning state apparatus is that it can just keep chugging along whether or not there's an actual government in place, unlike eg the US where poo poo just crashes and burns the moment the parties can't agree on a budget. To continue the socialism derail, I'd personally argue that "socialist state" has a very specific meaning - it's the socio-economic system of the former Soviet Union, it's Eastern European client states, maoist China etc. These nations used the word "socialist" to refer to their societies, economies and modes of government, and they were referred to as such by both their peers and their opponents. Such states are defined by a single party dominating all state functions, an intermingling of state and party functions, state ownership of all major industries and economic enterprises, the abolishment of private property, and a brutal suppression of critics and political opponents. To use the same word to refer to both the Soviet Union and modern-day Sweden renders the word "socialism" meaningless, and just plays into the hands of the free market fundamentalists who think anything to the left of Ayn Rand is stalinism.
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Nov 2, 2018 09:13
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Zombiepop posted:In regards to socialism discussion. The social democrats in sweden was one of the founders of the socialist international...they were part of the socialist conference in Copenhagen 1915, etc. I get that meanings of words change, but I dont understand why people look towards communist nations/parties when they want to define socialism, since the communists is a whole other thing. Yes, that's all true. But if Sweden is a socialist society simply by virtue of having social democrats in power, that would mean that swedish society would radically alter every time there's a change of government, and that's simply not true. I just can't see any useful definition of socialism that allows for inherited wealth and overwhelming private ownership of the means of production, both of which exist in Sweden, Norway, Denmark and most other nations that outsiders (read americans) like to point out as "successful socialist states". There's nothing about a robust welfare state along the Scandinavian model that is uniquely socialist, and in fact the first modern welfare state is arguably Bismarck's Germany - a decidedly conservative and anti-socialist nation.
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Nov 2, 2018 10:55
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Katt posted:I would argue that the sheer momentum of socialism in Swedish society built up over the last century means that a 4 or 8 year run of a right-leaning government will at best allow it to nudge the country more towards the middle. There's no stopping this socialist train (yet). ...I'm not sure if you're taking the piss here, or if you're serious. Any progress Sweden was making towards a future socialist society definitely ground to a halt some 30 years back, and since then the social democrats have mostly been custodians of the status quo. I see no indication that Sweden is on any path to the abolition of private property.
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Nov 2, 2018 19:39
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I am fully aware of the early split between revolutionary and reformist socialists, and the enmity between social democrats and communists. But I have no loving idea of what reality you live in when you say stuff like:Courthouse posted:... most people living in socialist European countries refer to the SU and friends as "Communist". And ourselves as "Socialists". Again, there is no definition of socialism that allows for an overwhelming majority of the means of production to be privately owned. A society in which the capitalist class controls the means of production can by definition not be a socialist society.
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Nov 3, 2018 22:06
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Courthouse posted:"socialist capitalists" Courthouse posted:Is it your assertion that socialism can never be democratic then? Since a western socialdemocratic society cannot realistically fully nationalize the means of production without losing elections every now and then, leading to conservative parties privatizing stuff back? And can a non-democratic nation be socialist once you have no more collective control over parliament? Crudely put, in a socialist society you only own what you use. You can own a house, but not an apartment complex. You can own a car, but not a car factory. This is a radically different society to the one we currently have in Sweden, where ownership of anything is mainly limited by how much money you have. Can a socialist society be democratic? I dunno. None so far has been. I also can see no path through current democratic institutions that would take us to a future socialist society. But I'd also argue that if socialism can't be democratic, it's not worth pursuing. I want to make very clear that I am not arguing that socialism - as envisioned by Marx, Engels, Oscar Wilde or Orwell - is a bad thing. Only that, if we go by any reasonable definition, the Soviet Union under Stalin is a hell of a lot closer to it than modern-day Sweden.
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Zombiepop posted:Anyway Annie Lööf trying to form a government, yes or no? Only one answer: lol
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Vad i helv...? I feel I've missed something in Gothenburg politics. How does far-left parties like V and Fi end up allying with the right over the Social Democrats?
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Nov 7, 2018 13:57
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gently caress it, let's implement Söder's dream scenario and have the king take over. I'm pretty sure he'd do a better job than Ulf & Co (and be less of a free market ghoul).
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Nov 14, 2018 10:48
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Dude's a four-star general. Should be hunting in full parade uniform and a Psg 90. E: Hunting for Danes, the traditional prey of Swedes. Mr. Sunshine fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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Nov 15, 2018 10:17
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Both Danish and Swedish politics are especially trainwrecky at the moment, so that's bound to generate more content. Anything juicy happening in Norway?
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Nov 22, 2018 13:49
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I dunno, a center government is less than ideal, but I think it would be preferable over any constellation that gives SD even a whiff of power. It would also mean the definite end of the Alliance, which I see as nothing but good.
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Nov 27, 2018 21:41
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Jesus Christ, Denmark...
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Nov 30, 2018 22:48
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They're not that bad in reality - whoever did that graph decided to make them all solid white inside a coloured circle. This is what they actually look like. e: note how the logo for M actually says "New M". That's the shtick they started with under Reinfeldt - they were the New Moderates, the "new worker's party" etc etc. Watch them drop that "New" from the logo in the next few years, once they give up any pretense of caring about the common peasants. Mr. Sunshine fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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C and L are in a really bad spot. Their right-wing voters hate that the parties can't just swallow their pride and join an Alliance government with explicit SD support, and they also hate that they even considered joining an S government. Their left wing voters, on the other hand, would loving crucify them if they bent over and cooperated with the racists. There's no way they're coming out of this without losing a big chunk of voters, and that likely means slipping below the 4% limit. If I were the brain trust within C or L, I'd grab any deal I could get to avoid a new election and just ride out the next four years.
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Dec 20, 2018 09:08
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That was one of the causes that led to a break between SD and their youth organization SDU - SD being home to the more mainstream anti-muslim sentiments that have swept Europe in the last two decades, and SDU made up of more neo-nazis in denial. So the ideological question became, is Israel good because they fight Arabs, or are the Arabs good because they fight Israel? SD went with the former, SDU with the latter, and SDU then split from the "zionist" mother party.
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Dec 29, 2018 21:26
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On the one hand, killing off the Alliance and keeping SD, KD and M away from power are unambiguously good. On the other hand, goddamn did S bend over for the free market jihadists and anti-Muslim crusaders in C and L.
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Jan 12, 2019 11:28
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Does S honestly expect V to just roll over and accept a blatantly neoliberal government because...it would be convenient for S? And why does S accept this "compromise"? Don't they have any principles left other than naked power?
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Jan 14, 2019 09:23
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Got a whole bunch of people on FB who are into the whole fetish scene, and did you know that today is Fetish Day, when you wear purple to show you're in the fetish scene? Now you know.
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Jan 18, 2019 21:40
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lol most public WiFi here in Gothenburg won't let me browse SA cause TFR gets it blocked for violence.
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Feb 1, 2019 10:42
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I got a friend who works for Volvo. His department used to have "fancy fridays" when they dressed up in suits for work and then went out for drinks afterwards. Now they have a new american boss who has instituted "hawaiian fridays" where people are expected to dress in aloha shirts. So now my friend goes to work on fridays wearing a three-piece suit, tie and a ghastly floral-pattern shirt. It's awesome/terrible.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:21
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Yeah, GDPR should gently caress up these people good and hard. My wife works in school, and they can get fined up to 20 million SEK if a child's personal information is somehow made accessible to people who should not have that access, even if the data is only available on secured, internal networks.
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"Caucasian" is one of those extremely American words that lets you know that the Scandinavian person who said it is a terminally online alt-righter, pizzagater and Trump-supporter. Old-school Swedish for the same would just be "vit" or "arier" - the former pretty racist and the latter loving racist. Ironically, in the land of Big Daddy Putin "Caucasian" means swarthy Muslim.
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May 13, 2019 20:55
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It doesn't, but that is how the word is used in Russia.
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May 13, 2019 21:45
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It's a term used to derisively describe the narrow-minded worldview of racists, jesus christ
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May 14, 2019 07:07
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... said the party founded by a Waffen-SS soldier.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Option 1 is disturbingly rational With the "New Worker's Party" under Reinfeldt, maybe. With the "SD but more expensive suits" under Kristersson, no loving way they'd cooperate with S.
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