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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Heinz Hynkel posted:

Maybe but then you need to fix that first because until its fixed, more immigration will be like throwing more gas on the fire.

Thing is, pretending that immigrants are the problem lets the aforementioned lovely-rear end neoliberals use the immigrants as a scapegoat to shift the blame away from their own failures, which solves nothing. Hence you're not abolishing neoliberalism ever if you buy into the idea that immigrants are the problem.

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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It's pretty incredible to see people in the age of automation and rampant outsourcing argue with a straight face that if we just throw out a minuscule fraction of of a country's population then those nefarious capitalists surely have no option but to go back to the age of full employment and good wages.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Wild Horses posted:

Ambulance units getting slowed down by needing police escort, the crews being threatened or assaulted and it generally being very stressful is nothing to gloss over.
Everybody in Sweden deserves things like libraries, emergency care and there being police for regular crimes and general safety, and right now there are parts of Sweden that don't get it in the same quality as other parts.

It's fine if you think its totally alright for things to be this way, but I disagree with this notion.
That these ambulance guys get attacked shows to me that there is a serious inequality in our society, and I want it adressed.

Could you enlighten me about how any of said problems will get better by scearming about how the darkies must be thrown out?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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TheFluff posted:

this is what I literally said: "there is a problem that has gotten worse "
how do you even get from that to "you think it's totally alright for things to be this way" you strawmanning dumbass

You start from the conclusion that areas where swarthy people live must be crime-ridden hellholes and work backwards from there?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Wild Horses posted:

who said anything about darkies

Who said that there was no problem whatsoever?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Heinz Hynkel posted:

Yeah, the best news are those that we agree with.

lol you linked to the loving Daily Heil and now you expect to be taken seriously. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Heinz Hynkel posted:

Why don't you just shut up, you fuckings imbecile?

You're doing a bang-up impression of the average Daily Heil reader, mate. Keep up the good work.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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You should just start another Miljonprogrammet and avoid the mistakes of the last one.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Poil posted:

I don't suppose it would help if they cracked down on assholes renting places purely to rent it on to someone else to make a profit?

All Landlords Are Bastards, so yes, it would.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Do you really not understand how the parliamentary process works and/or the difference between active and passive support or are you just unsubtly carrying water for SD like usual?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Cardiac posted:

So if the ruling coalition lose a vote regarding their proposal and then change that proposal to get the necessary votes by making changes that appeal to a certain party, is it really still passive support?

It literally is according to the literal definition of the concept.

Also I didn't know you had insider access to Rosenbad and could just ask Löfven & co about their exact motivations for changing the proposal. Does he know you're using it to shitpost on a dying internet comedy forums?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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drat, this is terrible. I hope the wounded make it and that the families of the deceased get the help they need.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Nice piece of fish posted:

Really? I can see a lot of ways to prevent city buses from being taken over. It's also filled with people who can potentially stop a terrorist, and any kind of Speed scenario is just too loving stupid to even fathom.

Yeah, don't Swedish city buses have a separate driver's compartment or what?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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It's always funny when somebody unironically cites Sanandaji and Massutmaning. The only use for that book is as a cautionary example of how easy it is to draw bad conclusions from good data.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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McCloud posted:

I've always felt that Sanandaj has compelling points, but I understand poo poo about statistics. Do you mind elaborating?

Basically he excludes alternative explanations and conflicting data in order to push his own pet theory. Basically go listen to this to get the scoop.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Karpaw posted:

But this fear in very unevenly distributed depending on who you ask. More than four times as many women are afraid of walking alone after dark than men. While it should come as no surprise that women are wussy (or rather pussy - that's practically tautological) like you say, I think this misplaced fear is mostly due to a misandric tendency to scapegoat and unfairly view men as predators, spurred on by opportunistic feminists for various reasons including financial ones (more hysteria about rape culture means more state dosh to fight it). What do you think?

I think that you're failing the Turing Test super hard.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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evilmiera posted:

Seeing posts on Facebook asking people to vote in a poll to ask the government to take responsibility for the attack a few days back. Which left me scratching my head. Responsibility for what? Security policy? The Swedish policy is about the same as the rest of Europe's​. Immigration policy? Up until a month or so before the attack he wasn't being sought for any kind of crime anywhere, though his deportation to Sweden is kind of weird. Like are people imagining S planned all this or do they not understand what responsibility means?

Tie spänn säger att det är fascisterna som försöker plocka billiga politiska poäng.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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evilmiera posted:

SD jippo alltså. Är deras poäng att de vill se mindre seriösa ut?

Njä, det är nog antagligen bara deras typiska asgameri.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Cardiac posted:

They only tested those that volunteered.
Also, how can he say it is representative if they haven't tested them? Then it is just guesswork.

The numbers as such are not surprising and similar to ratios seen for age testing in Denmark and Norway. The numbers of underage also drastically shrunk upon the start of the age testing.
Or to put it like this, 40% of all underage seekers In EU in 2015 applied for asylum in Sweden. As they are rational and informed beings there is a clear logic for that.

You would look very slightly less stupid if you didn't contradict yourself in a single post.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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lol if you think that S is actually left wing as opposed to the soulless gråsossar they've been for the past three to four decades.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Cardiac posted:

Well, to be fair being soulless gråsosse have worked enormously better than being fringe left wing so why give up a winning concept ?

You mean that being a soulless gråsosse has worked insofar that it has let them coast along on the achievements made when S was actually left wing?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Cardiac posted:

When was that?
You have like 100 years of history to choose from.

Since you obviously slept during your history lessons, it was circa Hansson to Palme.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Kindly gently caress off with your no true leftist bullshit, tia.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Strangely enough, words have meanings.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Beeswax posted:

Please use better words to effect better posting

Is the concept of change confusing to you or what?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Alliansen seems to have developed a bad case of dog that managed to catch the car syndrome.

Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Jul 27, 2017

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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SplitSoul posted:

I'm sure Hitler didn't forget that, but clearly they didn't do their job well enough, otherwise he wouldn't have been alive to offer that insight. Some of them were even convinced that they'd be able to seize power after his election successes and had a slogan to that effect, "After Hitler, our turn!".

Turns out that thinking the nazis are just some goofballs who can't do any lasting harm is a really loving dumb idea.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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"SR calls garbage person garbage, right wing super triggered"

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Hey, if they find anybody else who lies, cheats and steals like the average M politico they can name and shame them too. Until then the only journalistic mistake here was to bow to pressure from the party of liars, thieves and cheats and apologize for telling the truth.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Build lifesize lego statues of said scumbags and put those in the vacated seats, then see how long it takes before anybody notices.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Yeah, Corbyn and Labour shows that socdem parties can be reformed, but Corbyn also shows that you have to get incredibly lucky to actually do it. Remember that Corbyn was a total fluke who only got on the ballot and won because of some supreme arrogance and incompetence on the part of the Blarites and other assorted Labour right morons.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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I like how Cardiac apparently has been living under a rock for the past decades and has completely missed how every single one of these supposedly pragmatic and non-ideological Labour parties in Europe has either bled massive amounts of voters or even collapsed completely, and the places where Labour parties have been making gains lately are the UK under crusty old jam socialist Corbyn and Portugal where they tacked massively to the left and are ruling with the support of literal communists.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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I guess we also have to remember that for Cardiac everything to the left of Mussolini is far-leftist ideological purity.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Collateral Damage posted:

Lots of salty nazis in Gothenburg today. They pissed away their planned "huge" demonstration, their leader was arrested and now they're getting beat up by police. :munch:

Now that's some police brutality I can get behind.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Cardiac is just telling himself that so he can feel better about his buddies getting owned hard, give the man some space.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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McCloud posted:

Turns out a lot of people think both Antifa and the nazi demonstrators are just same type of trash with a different authoritarian flavour. The logic is that "if no one cared the nazis would go away, and afa is playing in to their hands by confronting them, because they want attention".

Obviously ignoring nazis is just a tacit endorsement of their behaviour, so they should be confronted and shown in no uncertain terms their bullshit won't fly, but I can understand why you would recoil from the leftist activists as well. Things like the riots 2001 and violence with collateral damage to innocent people has given them a terrible reputation, one not undeserved .

I guess you could think that, if you're some kind of liberal dumbshit.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Wild Horses posted:

liberalism is good

FOR ME TO POOP ON

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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McCloud posted:

So what exactly happened yesterday with the protests? I read that the nazis tried to change the marching route and the police used that as an excuse to shut the whole thing down. Why did they try going a different route? Why didn't they listen to the police?

Did they honestly feel they could just do whatever the gently caress they wanted?

Yes to the first, yes to the last, and for the middle ones it turns out nazis aren't very smart.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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McCloud posted:

Of course, one only needs to look at what happened in Charloteville to see how very quickly nazis can grow out of control. There needs to be a cost associated with being a nazi, and since these losers probably don't have much of a social circle outside of nazis, having a bunch of people bash your head in will have to be the cost they pay. But attacking police and causing damage to public property just turns people against AFA, and is only counterproductive. Especially in a situation like this when the police actually seem like they're doing a good job

Thing is, how are you supposed to know in advance whether the cops decide to actually do their jobs this time or if they decide to just let the nazis do their thing? They don't exactly have a stellar track record here.

EDIT: Also it doesn't really matter what antifa do or don't do, the liberals are too in love with both sides-ism to care.

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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McCloud posted:

True, cops history with dealing with demonstrations isn't stellar, wasn't it a month or so ago they let a bunch of nazis demonstrate without a permit? But I also kind of feel that attacking the police accomplishes nothing, and is counterproductive.

If the police are outright hostile then yeah, but that was not the case yesterday.

Again, how are counterprotesters supposed to know how the cops are going to act in advance? Unless you know a hotline to Nostradamus himself, you're kinda asking for the impossible here.

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