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SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

MiddleOne posted:

It also operates on some mighty revisionism of history where the SA was not spending most of the 1920-30's fighting their communist contemporaries in the street.

I'm sure Hitler didn't forget that, but clearly they didn't do their job well enough, otherwise he wouldn't have been alive to offer that insight. Some of them were even convinced that they'd be able to seize power after his election successes and had a slogan to that effect, "After Hitler, our turn!".

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SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Inger Støjberg on the Libyan slave trade, systematic rape and torture of migrants and refugees:

http://jyllands-posten.dk/politik/E...stridte-regime/

quote:

But doesn't the working relationship have harsh human consequences?

"I'll put it this way, some people shouldn't come to Europe."

Material circumstances directly influenced by Danish military action, no less.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Grouchio posted:

How has Denmark generally been doing since 2000?

You have to be a lot more specific or I'll have to write a 50-page screed about welfare and education gutting, homelessness, mismanagement, social dumping, war, corruption, tax cuts and evasion, human rights violations, racism, fascism, mass surveillance, illegal arrests, free speech, and the state of journalism.

TL;DR: It's poo poo.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Randarkman posted:

Denmark still does that thing where they just confiscate refugees' jewelry and other valuables upon entry right?

Yes, and their money. Everything exceeding 10,000 DKK, valuables included. Somebody fleeing war was robbed by the police of as little as 8,000 DKK. The Danish People's Party wanted the limit to be 3,000 DKK.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Stop responding to Nils, please.

Rust Martialis posted:

A more salient fact might be that while Danish police *can* seize valuables, apparently they aren't. An article from June I found said they'd charged people twice so far, total.

Wrong. There were at least four examples as of January, one where as little as 8.000 DKK was confiscated. It's always been intended as a mostly symbolic gently caress-you gesture, but it is utilised.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Rust Martialis posted:

Hardly shocked, but I couldn't find English articles - my Danish lessons start shortly. Can you provide any links either in English or Danish please?

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/et-aar-med-omstridt-smykkelov-politiet-har-brugt-den-fire-gange

Reminder that it was a last-minute addition not to confiscate poo poo like wedding rings.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Revelation 2-13 posted:

In the 90s in Copenhagen, anti-fascist (mostly just called anti-racists at the time) would have to patrol the streets in the evenings because neo-nazis groups would literally be out looking for immigrants kids to beat up, immigrant shop windows to break and set fire to, and the police didn't do gently caress all. Plenty of 'moderate' politicians would go on and on about them 'just looking for a fight' back then too.

Don't forget the Swedish nazi letter bombing International Socialists and killing a dude, which the police insisted for years was a bomb-building mishap despite being in possession of clear evidence to the contrary. I simply can't imagine why anti-fascists would distrust the police.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

McCloud posted:

Wait, what? When did this happen?

https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ller%C3%B8dgadebomben

And the nazi network ORG got the information for their "traitor" registry from a police officer:

https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORG

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Oh, forgot to mention, the cop that did over 8,000 searches of police databases and the Civil Registration System to fill up the ORG "traitor" registry with personal information like street addresses, names of spouses, etc., was merely given probation and fired. They only charged him with unwarranted access, not the fact that he passed the information on to his secret nazi network.

Why all the distrust for law enforcement, anti-fascists? Why?

MiddleOne posted:

(like Scandinavia in general) taking police competency seriously

:laffo:

Yeah, sure, like our new six-month course to become a cadet that any idiot 18-year-old without a high school diploma can apply for.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

That's any department of the police, really. Their internal jargon includes stuff like referring to immigrant colleagues as "perkerbetjent" and poo poo. Also perlesagen. It's truly a mystery why the force only has 1% non-whites.

On a different note, parliament has decided to ban burqas and niqabs. Their own commission found that zero people wear the first and roughly 200 the latter, a sizable part of them converts. The Danish People's Party are saying that the hijab is next.

SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Oct 6, 2017

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Can somebody please loving annex this poo poo country already?

https://www.information.dk/telegram/2017/10/soeren-pind-stille-10-adgangskrav-dansk-faellesskab

quote:

Minister of Education Søren Pind (Liberals) will make a list of ten fundamental democratic values that Danish citizens must abide by, if they want to be a part of Danish society.

The ten commandments must be inextricable for everyone in possession of a Danish passport and will ultimately be implemented through coercion if necessary, said the Minister. The list has not yet been compiled, but Søren Pind offered three examples to Jyllands-Posten: Equality between the sexes, respect for democracy and freedom of religion.

"I want a discussion about which—not ten theses, but ten commandments—that widely identify us as Danes and connects us, and that one must—not should—abide by," he said. Søren Pind informed the newspaper that the purpose of the list is "democratic assimilation" of Danes from different ethnic backgrounds. "There are about 200,000 Muslims in Danmark and we must construct a 'we' that these people are also a part of," he says. According to the Minister, the ten commandments will embody a "third way" that does not go to extremes, reports Jyllands-Posten.

The Danish People's Party calls the proposal "superficial". Spokesman on immigration Martin Henriksen believes that, in order to have a functioning democracy, one must also have "something in common" culturally.

The Social Democrats welcome the ten commandments.

"We expect the same of Danish Muslims as we do of Danish non-Muslims. It's banal, but may seem brutal," says spokesman on naturalisation Mattias Tesfaye.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Mercrom posted:

I hated being taught democratic values in school.

You do realise this is not in his capacity as Minister of Education, as that has no bearing on requirements for citizenship? Do you understand what the word "coercion" means?

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Mercrom posted:

I hated being taught democratic values in school under threat of being failed because I felt it was coercive and went against the core values of democracy and freedom of speech. Then I grew up.

Alright, I thought you were being facetious.

Mercrom posted:

But I don't really know the goal here. Is it an honest defense of democratic values or an excuse to deport muslims? It being literally ten commandments makes me lean towards the latter, but that does not mean the idea by itself is unsound. The problem is the seeming lack of necessity and the risk of abuse. But I say "seeming" lack of necessity because few people engage in honest discourse about issues of integration and that worries me.

This dude publicly lauded a convicted murderer and biker president for writing a racist manifesto about immigrant "jackals". This was during an ongoing war in the streets between Hell's Angels and immigrant gangs. Then he became Minister of Justice. He doesn't consider immigrants "normal people" as it relates to public housing. He is in favour of warrantless mass surveillance with no impact on either crime or terrorism. He refers to himself as "The Sheriff" and "The Minister of Freedom". His party just agreed to ban articles of clothing, has implemented state-sanctioned daylight robbery of arriving refugees, and deliberately violates human rights on a regular basis. They're presently shielding the Minister of Immigration from prosecution for violating human rights and Danish law. What do you think?

SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Oct 7, 2017

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Mercrom posted:

Sometimes I think most of what I hear about Denmark must be exaggerated. People certainly make up lies about Sweden. Either way I loving hate politics.

I can provide sources and quotations for each claim if Google proves unhelpful, but the reality is that, politically, this country has been a dumpster fire for a long time.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Speaking of Austria, a man was just fined for wearing a shark mask due to their burqa ban. Great times ahead for us.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Liberal lead candidate for Copenhagen: "Let public housing firms evict families of gang members, take away their siblings, fire their parents."

Literally the most notorious and violent gang leader in Copenhagen: "Hell yeah, I used to be a member of the Liberals."

:laffo::laffo::laffo:

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

We don't even pretend it isn't about foreigners, even though the two-week minimum jail sentence for first offenses technically applies to nationals as well. Of course the Social Democrats were also in favour of criminalising being poor in public, as their last stint in office caused an explosion in homelessness.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Danish National Front is marching in the town of Skive.

"We don't want to be seen with people that march with SS-flags and so on. That's not the direction we want to go."



https://www.tvmidtvest.dk/nyheder/20-10-2017/1930/hojre-nationalister-gar-pa-gaden?autoplay=1%3Fv%3D0_0wzl5snn

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

The Unity List 2014: "Abolish the police."

The Unity List 2017: "Cops are 'welfare heroes' and we need more of them."

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

A collection of headlines from a single day:



Danish People's Party's demand for budget: No school for refugee children and abolish their Danish lessons
Danish People's Party want to deny special refugee group (Syrians) family reunification
Løkke announces significant revisions of immigration policy
Støjberg open to sending rejected asylum seekers to deserted islands


(Note that Syrians already have to wait three years to get reunification, at their own expense, and that we literally rob them at gunpoint when they request asylum. The rejected include violently persecuted Afghan minorities and nationals of countries with active civil wars, torture states, war zones that we're actively bombing, etc.)

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

MiddleOne posted:

The desserted island part especially stuck out to me. I wonder from what country she got that walking human rights abuse policy idea from. :australia:

Støjberg probably got the idea from the former Social Democratic Social Affairs Minister turned Liberal Welfare Minister turned state-funded neo-fascist hate blogger, Karen Jespersen. Evidently she reads her blog. Also, Karen Jespersen was still Social Affairs Minister when she proposed the deserted islands in 2001. The other thing she's known for is ensuring that homeless foreigners freeze to death.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Lima posted:

And to think that both Jespersen and hubby were venstresocialister in their youth.

So was Søren Espersen. Although, to be fair, he was also on the DNSB mailing list, and now he's married to a Jew and IIRC has a son living in an Israeli settlement. Life's strange that way.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

widunder posted:

especially not among the hazara population who make up the lion's share of the people coming to Sweden.

Like the 16-year-old kid, Abolfazl Vaziri, that our government basically delivered to the Taliban to be executed. Now his older brother is a refugee in Iran.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

In other lovely danskjävlar news, the Social Democrats ensured a majority for the government to no longer accept UN quota refugees. These are the most vulnerable (confirmed) refugees, most of them Syrians, Congolese and Iraqis, two nationalities we've been actively bombing. Literally worse than Trump's America regarding refugees now and the Social Democrats are making it happen, so I guess that's something.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Sure was a fantastic idea to bomb Libya, so that the Al-Qaeda-aligned militias that supplied thousands of jihadists for the Iraq Civil War, another atrocity that we're partly responsible for, could murder all the black people they came across and open the door for literal slave markets and systematic torture, extortion and rape far beyond what the late bayonet-sodomised dictator would dish out.

Anyway, these are the people of which we couldn't possibly handle 500, what with the tax cuts and the crumbling welfare and the increasing inequality that these very same politicians also voted for:

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Nobody said Gaddafi was a good guy, but the fact is that his security forces were trained by the British until shortly before the Arab Spring. They did that after he gave up his ancient WMD following the invasion of Iraq. He got offed because he had plans for a dinar-based pan-African currency and the French didn't like it, not for any humanitarian reasons. There's no such thing as a humanitarian intervention.

Benghazi was the main supplier of foreign jihadists for the Iraq Civil War. Gaddafi said he was fighting Al-Qaeda among others, which was absolutely true.

Any sensible person knew how it would play out.

SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Dec 25, 2017

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000


No, I think you'll find that it's the Musselman turning Sweden into cartel/mafia country, unfortunately for Mexico having your head severed and tossed in the street isn't a shooting.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

MiddleOne posted:

As someone who is tangentially related to people who have been active in these circles, it's not necessarily that simple. Now there are radically different rules on different markets but generally trying to push something like cannabis will only attract gang-attention if you're trying to expand beyond being a small-time dealer. The harder drugs however are much more profitable, narrow and above all very difficult to supply in any real quantities so if you try to nudge in on an established market you better be prepared to face 'competition' (which means stabbings and shootings). Small-time dealers get violent occasionally but it's usually in less public ways (arson, beatings and armed robbery were not uncommon between competing alcohol smugglers in my hometown).

Legalizing cannabis would radically shrink the black market overall but I don't think it would hurt organized crime that much. Cannabis production and selling is pretty de-centralized in Sweden. Any idiot with some space in their apartment can become a small-time producer of marijuana at a very low starting cost.

I don't know if it's markedly different in Denmark, but the cannabis market is the main thing gangs have been fighting over for years here. Hell's Angels make a cool billion a year on Christiania alone by conservative estimates. The last major gang war was reportedly about that as well. Anecdotally, my best friend's sister had a childhood friend that got his face blown off covering a shift in a small park in Frederiksberg.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Apropos of nothing, all parties excepting Alternativet—and including Enhedslisten in its newfound big boy pants—committed to the insane budgeting plan created by Bjarne Corydon for the exploding metro costs. They're basically hiding all the rapidly accumulating debt in a shell company whose current value is negative 19 billion kroner, which they puffed up to positive 6 billion by forecasting its revenue 50 years into the future and counting backwards (I'm not kidding). Oh well, it'll be somebody else's problem at some point in the future.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I mean, that's a perfectly normal way to calculate value - though 50 years is a bit much compared to the 10-15 which are usually used for municipal projects.

Let's review: It's a de facto shell company that has a current negative capital of 4 billion with 15 billion in debt piled on top from a forever project plagued by constant delays, massively underbudgeted construction, fewer passengers and higher operational costs than forecast, health and safety issues, cut emergency exits, social dumping, rehousing costs and noise pollution, etc., but if you apply some very, very generous mathematics to this shell company's projected revenue 50 years into the future and count backwards, it's actually sitting on a cool 6 billion currently. Original idea patented by the McKinsey operative who handed control of the largest energy firm to Goldman Sachs and let them extract the profits through Luxembourg, do not steal.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Leader of the Social Democrats, Mette Frederiksen, September 19, 2015: "I'm convinced that the time where you could get away with symbolic policy, proposals for refugee camps in Kenya, slamming the brakes [on asylum] and quick fixes, is a thing of the past. Kristian Thulesel-Dahl. Lars Løkke. Welcome to reality." (actual quote)

Leader of the Social Democrats, Mette Frederiksen, present day: "Yes, we're now running on a platform of completely eliminating asylum applications at the border, shipping refugees to camps in Northern Africa, mandating pork in public daycare and schools, and banning exactly 23 women from wearing the niqab. Why do you ask?"

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000


They'll be suggesting the establishment of a neo-Freikorps later this year to celebrate 100 years of class treason.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Is it okay to call it racism yet? This is from their official Facebook.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000


Danish People's Party official Facebook.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Latest fascist proposal from the Danish government: Designated "punishment zones", obviously ghettos, where crimes are punished doubly as harsh. The Social Democrats, obviously, are for it.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

MiddleOne posted:

How far away are we from danish internment camps?

Well, Social Democrat Henrik Sass-Larsen chose May 1st last year to propose the adoption of an Australian-style policy of dumping refugees in foreign internment camps to be raped and beaten, which the party leadership recently came out in favour of. The Danish People's Party and Liberal Alliance have also proposed the same thing previously. Thankfully we can count on the Liberals to be the voice of reason... :suicide:

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Oh, forgot to mention, the government also wants to literally jail teachers that "fail to report students not thriving".

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

They rolled in an army of PET guards and police to hold a press conference in Mjølnerparken. Not even the residents of this prospective "double penalty zone" were allowed at the venue, and protesters outside demanding equality before the law were described by Inger Støjberg as adherents of sharia who hate the Constitution.

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SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

They hadn't even announced their visit, just a swarm of police descending on Mjølnerparken and cordoning poo poo off for this disgusting photo op. Inger Støjberg ventured outside to stand in front of the protesters and have her picture taken while grimacing.

MiddleOne posted:

What would be going far enough in their terms. :stare:

Freikorps and Madagascar Plan type poo poo. Calling it now.

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