Scandinavia: I know I shit on Denmark a lot, but I think they deserve it

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Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

teen witch posted:

E: other institutions I trust more than Ikea, Cops and Systemet:
- being drunk on the Finland boat

From Lake Geneva to the Finland station :hmmyes:

# ¿ Sep 29, 2023 13:26

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 05:20

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

teen witch posted:

(Hooow drunk have youuu beeeeen?)

Welp, didn't think I'd get caught, but here we are :tipshat:

# ¿ Sep 29, 2023 13:50

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

Swedish NATO application held up, again, because Elon decided to call his platform x dot com and all the journalists are found breaking the porrlaget rules

# ¿ Sep 30, 2023 07:36

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

Not to imply that there might be some systemic racism issues with the nation that gave us Uppsala University and the skull collections, but teen witch might have her papers asked about slightly more than a white guy

# ¿ Oct 3, 2023 15:59

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

teen witch posted:

Double post but: I�m starting to think the media around the whole gang crisis is a bit too alarmist? It�s a bad situation, by all means, but it feels a bit over exaggerated in the wrong way in order to ignore the actual glaring systemic flaws that got us here. Over exaggerated might be the wrong word.

Like I don�t think tramadol-addicted child soldiers are patrolling the streets, and I reeeeaaalllyyy hate this image of a child soldier being invoked to garner clicks, it�s irresponsible. If anything; this is child exploitation?

The media "discussion" around it inevitably winds up being "look the these OUT OF CONTROL YOUTH HOODLUMS, click further to see more images" rather than some dry old expert explaining what the systemic causes are that lead into the mess. Something something attention economy?

Also there is a sprinkling of the old "the problems are very, very bad, but their causes are very, very good", so there's money to be made in not having an adult discussion about any of this.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2023 18:15

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

Finland has historically not voted on these resolutions, as in part it was Norway who put us in a bad place.

# ¿ Oct 27, 2023 23:29

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

V. Illych L. posted:

you're in NATO

For what it's worth, our prime minister said (loosely translated) that "our vote was consistent. The resolution did not even mention Hamas, and therefore Finland opted not to vote for it".

# ¿ Oct 28, 2023 14:52

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

I am literally translating a news article for you. I didn't vote for these idiots.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2023 16:37

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Crespolini posted:

Translating is a form of explaining, and it's been long established that on this website, explaining something is the same as endorsing it. You're not getting out of this one.

Good point, I am had :smith:

I at least hope the food is nice at the Hague.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2023 17:12

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

V. Illych L. posted:

transporting without comment means that other interlocutors must add the comment. to be clear, the "you" in question is the finnish state and government, not the individual finnish citizen except insofar as that citizen has direct influence over finnish foreign policy

Alright, but the Finnish state doesn't have physical hands, so you can see how I took your comment otherwise.

To the larger matter, Finland (and other states) have engaged in foreign policy moves that are questionable, so the blood on collective hands sort of dilutes if everyone everywhere in Europe are guilty of some poo poo or another. Which they are. So is it a meaningful critique at that point? Over a UN vote, not a military action even.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2023 17:38

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All valid points. But, as you say, protest voting at the UN is mostly a symbolic gesture and won't actually help anyone. There are back-room deals and talks, but to be honest I doubt Israel gives enough of a poo poo about Finland to listen to our diplomats, so here we are.

I also somewhat disagree with your assessment of what Finnish neutrality actually historically meant in these terms, but that's probably too esoteric for this thread. Suffice to say, I agree with you that it was a silly, procedural excuse to vote that way, but if as you insist we are wedded to Israeli (US) interests, what other way could it have gone? The EU adopted a resolution condemning the violence and Finland agreed. As I said, I was repeating a report in our moon-language that no one in this thread can speak, to provide context. You have disagreed with their flimsy pretenses, and we can maybe move on.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2023 18:08

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

V. Illych L. posted:

sangen om den r�de rubin by agnar mykle

Apologies for the eastern intrusion, but I googled this book and found it hilarious that it caused a massive hullabaloo in Finland after it was translated in the late 50's; several bishops etc. put pressure on the government and other high officials, and indeed our illustrious government decreed that all printed copies of the translation were to be confiscated from stores and printing houses, by the police. The confiscated books were subsequently burnt. Finnlandisierung!

And in a weirder twist, the publisher managed to salvage / hide 800 copies of the translated book, and he sold them to the local war invalid foundation, who then sold them on for a profit as a door-to-door business venture. The 50's were weird

# ¿ Nov 29, 2023 13:43

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

Jack Trades posted:

Sorry, my bad, I translated it wrong, it's not criminals that are going to be barred from public places, it's "people that promote gang criminality" including those that haven't done anything illegal.

So basically

# ¿ Dec 1, 2023 13:10

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

SplitSoul posted:

As yet there's no legislation being considered for people butthurt that they can't reenact NSDAP's greatest hits, I'm sorry.

If it makes you feel any better, Sweden and Finland were still quarreling over some phrenologist's study materials this past October. Skulls for the skull throne, etc.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2023 19:30

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

No gods, no kings.

Only man's cafeteria to man.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2024 08:54

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

The Finnish Helsingin Sanomat pointed out that a large sponsor of the Eurovision is MoroccanOil, an Israel-based cosmetics company. So, you know, they won't give Israel the boot due to money. :capitalism:

# ¿ Jan 31, 2024 12:56

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

Lord Stimperor posted:

I get to visit Helsinki this year for work, I'm excited! Guy at our travel bureau muttered something about passage on the dark waters of Tuonela. IDK I'm not a boat guy but I'm sure it's gonna rock!

Looks more metal than rock IMO

# ¿ Feb 19, 2024 05:05

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

teen witch posted:

what, exactly, is a batongliberal? noticed it in the comments section of an article about L wanting to put a kiddie lock on phone usage past kl23 (lol, lmao).

I can find the term in use when I google it which has narrowed down what it could mean, but not exactly a definition?

Sounds like a localized version of champagne socialist, maybe

# ¿ Mar 4, 2024 11:04

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

teen witch posted:

Don�t ask me how but today I learned that Finnish immigrants to the US in the 1900s faced discrimination and the whole �you�re not really white� bullshit as well. I thought the sentiment in Sweden was loving ridiculous.

Svedes put on a good nice outward face, but they're like the fae, inside it's all fangs :ohdear:

# ¿ Mar 10, 2024 11:23

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If there's one thread where skull measuring is on-topic, it's gotta be Scandipol, right? Anyhoo, the court case was about whether Finns were Mongol or white as per the Naturalization Act of 1790. I'll just let the presiding judge explain their reasoning for going against the purity and precious bodily fluids of true-born white folk.

quote:

Judge William Cant�s Ruling

MEMORANDUM.

John Sven was born in Finland and calls himself a Finn. He now petitions the Court to be admitted a citizen of the United States. The granting of this petition is opposed by the Government on the ground that being a Finn he is a Mongolian and not a �White-person� within the meaning of Sec.2169. United States Sev.Stat., which provides that �The provisions of this title shall apply to aliens being free white persons and to aliens of African nativity and to, persons of African descent.�

According to-ethnologists, the Finns in very remote times were of Mongol origin; the various, groupings of the human race -into families is arbitrary, and, as respects any particular people, is not permanent but is subject- to change_, and modification through the influence of climate, employment, intermarriage, and other causes. There are indications that central and western Europe was at one time over-run by the Finns; some of their stock remained, but their racial characteristics were entirely lost in their remote descendants, who now are in no danger of being classed as Mongols. The Osmanlis, said to be of Mongol extraction, are now among the purest and best types of the Caucasian race. Changes are constantly going on, and thrice occurring in the lapse of a few hundred years with any people may be very great.

The chief physical characteristics of the Mongolians pre as follows: They are short of stature, with little hair on the body or face; they have yellow-brown skins, black eyes, black hair, short flat noses, and oblique eyes.. In actual experience we sometimes, though rarely, see natives of Finland whose eyes are slightly oblique. We sometimes see them with sparse beards and sometimes with flat noses; but Finns with a yellow or brown or yellow brown skin or with black eyes or black hair would be an unusual sight. They are almost universally of light skin, blue or gray eyes, and light hair. No people of foreign birth applying in this section of the country� for the full rights of citizenship arc lighter skinned than those born in Finland. In stature they are quite up, to the average. Confessedly Finland has often been over-run by the teutons, and by other branches of the human family who, with their descendants, have remained within her borders and are now called Finns. They are in the main indistinguishable in their physical characteristics from those of purer Finnish blood. Intermarriages have been frequent over a very long period of time. If the Finns were originally Mongels, modifying influences have continued until they are now among the whitest people in Europe. It would, therefore, require a most exhaustive tracing of family history to determine whether any particular individual born in Finland had or had not a remote Mongol ancestry. This, of course, cannot be done, and was not, intended. The question is not whether a person had or had not such an ancestry, but Whether he is now a �white person� within the meaning of that term as generally understood. This is the practical construction which has been uniformly been placed upon the law, so far as I am advised. Under such law Finns have always been admitted to citizenship, and there is no occasion now to change the construction.

The applicant is without doubt a white person within the true intent and meaning of such law. The objections, therefore, in my opinion should be over-ruled, and it will be so ordered.

W.A.Cant, Judge. Jan.17.1908.

Reprint of Duluth District Judge W. A. Cant�s statement and decision in the case of John Svan and 16 other Finns in which it was �officially� declared that the Finnish people are not members of the yellow race.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2024 09:35

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

America did have its fair share of precious bodily fluid enthusiasts, just look at what Lovecraft wrote about the ~~cosmic~~ European horrors invading ~~purified~~ pristine New England!

Howard Phillips posted:

I�m more interested in keeping the present 300-year-old culture-germ in America unharmed, than in trying out any experiments in �social justice� � Some people may like the idea of a mongrel America like the late Roman Empire, but I for one prefer to die in the same America that I was born in. Therefore, I�m against any candidate who talks of letting down the bars to stunted brachycephalic South-Italians & rat-faced half-Mongoloid Russian & Polish Jews, & all that cursed scum! You in the Middle West can�t conceive of the extent of the menace. You ought to see a typical Eastern city crowd�swart, aberrant physiognomies, & gestures & jabbering born of alien instincts.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2024 11:43

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

Dagon is a great Lovecraft filmization. Colour out of Space with Nick Cage was also fun times.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2024 16:14

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So hey, just wondering, did Sweden release and or return the skulls, actual human skulls, that their race science gently caress faces stole from Finnish grave yards, and which Sweden is now saying no take backsies, we need them for our race science purposes?

Oh, they didn't? Well, happy skull measuring, Sweden

# ¿ Mar 24, 2024 19:21

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

Rust Martialis posted:

Your linked article.... doesn't say that? Did you mix up links?

Skull measuring emeritus spotted

V. Illych L. posted:

sweden has a very long and illustrious history of skull measuring. they were once at the very forefront of race science and craniometrics. it makes sense that they're trying to maintain their lead in these critical fields

It's all fun and eugenics until people start suing over being survivors of racial purity programmes

quote:

After years of denial, Sweden began moves yesterday to compensate thousands of citizens sterilised in a grim social experiment in eugenics which lasted more than 40 years.

Stockholm's social affairs ministry announced it would pay up to �13,430 to each surviving victim of the 1934-76 programme.

The decision follows the report in January of an official commission set up in the wake of newspaper reports in 1997 that up to 63,000 people - 90 per cent of them women - were sterilised with state approval to improve Swedish "racial purity" as part of a policy of "ethnic hygiene". The commission has received up to 200 calls a month from victims.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2024 02:58

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

Rust Martialis posted:

Or there's a condition in some bequest where the guy left his collection and estate to the KI requiring they never return any of them...

This seems like a curious hill to die on (lol, die, skulls, :ohno:

)

The Wikipedia article on the guy posted:

He also studied ancient Swedish and Finnish skulls, following the steps of his father Anders Retzius, who had studied the crania of different human "races" and made pseudoscientific contributions to phrenology. Retzius was one of the fathers of the pseudoscientific race theory, "scientific racism", trying to glorify the "Nordic race" as the highest race of mankind.

I hadn't looked this up before, either, but turns out if you kick a Svensk mound, you find more racism

# ¿ Mar 25, 2024 10:36

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His Divine Shadow posted:

Much like Finland (also the swedish parts) then, the common history of the two is apparent whenever you look deeper.

Hey, Finland is the only Axis state that wasn't occupied

Of course we can have a discourse about project Stella Polaris and how Sv�rje felt about the Third Reich, but water under the bridge right

# ¿ Mar 25, 2024 10:59

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 05:20

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Isn't part of that convincing people it's stem bullshit when it's all about making The Hard Choices?

Which, to be clear, are all about making everything poo poo

# ¿ Mar 25, 2024 17:08

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