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Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Cardiac posted:

Well, you do also have a bunch of old city centres that got bulldozed in the 50-60s in the name of progress and modernisation.
I think Katrineholm is one of those.

If you think Stockholm didn't desperately need to unfuck its city center in the 60s you're out of your mind.

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Groda
Mar 17, 2005

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Collateral Damage posted:

Ungdomsförbunden (oavsett färg) är det starkaste argumentet för att avskaffa den allmänna rösträtten.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Svartvit posted:

The unions in question maybe aren't the most ideologically driven? I'm talking about Unionen, Ingenjörsförbudet, Handles, SEKO.... now if Syndikalisterna were on that list I'd totally agree.

I don't know what Ingenjörsförbundet is, but Sveriges ingenjörer is just moderater representing moderater most of the time.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

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Beeswax posted:

When discussing state finances and the management thereof, never forget that Maud loving Olofsson, patron saint of entrepreneurs, oversaw a deal that threw away 53 billion SEK and then refused to be questioned about it. Also, that Fredrik Reinfeld signed off on the deal and then lied about it, trying to just throw Maud under the bus. It's insane how they avoided pretty much any repercussions from that poo poo.

It is miopic as poo poo to look at Vattenfall as Alliansens problem. Lars Josefsson came in as VD in 2000 and set all of this Dallas capitalism in motion, and did far more material damage to the company than Nuon with his German purchases just a few years before. That 53 billion figure Rödgröna likes to hear has a lot of financial engineering baked in -- strategic write-offs are actively used to reduce personnel costs and dividend payments to the Swedish state.

Nuon actually has the opportunity to continue on as a saleable company. Its gas and district heating infrastructure isn't going anywhere and, even with permanently low natural gas prices, it's fairly diversified. That German lignite they bought is on the verge of being legislated out of existence, and the reactors purchased by Vattenfall already have been. Add to that criminally exposing the company to Germany's fan death-levels of political superstition to starting a nuclear waste repository.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

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TheFluff posted:

You'd think Löfven would be a betongsosse considering his background but idk, can't say I've noticed much

(how do you even translate that, I mean surely other countries also have similar socialists but what are they called?)

New Deal Democrat

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

MiddleOne posted:

So glad we torpedoed a sensible long-term policy on nuclear power yet again to win the support of a MP that was just going to lose its mandate with the voters right before election day anyway. :negative:

It's about as close to a sensible long-term policy as it can be without entirely removing the effektskatten yesterday. MP guaranteed brinksmanship during the negotiations. The economics just aren't there for new nuclear in the common Nordic electricity market. Until betongsossarna have their own majority in the riksdagen, no one is going to argue for providing economic incentives for adding real-live baseload generation until it's too late for industry.

If you want to blame MP for something big this government:
Even before 2014, it was obvious that the elcertifikat system needed to be completely unfucked. It really didn't make sense on a national level when it was introduced, with its focus on electricity and lack of attention to Sweden's energy mix, and was built around a principled blind faith in market forces instead of the certificate source's lifecycle g CO2/MWh.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

MiddleOne posted:

I do realize that it was a pipe-dream for the 2014 election but it still pisses me off. There is a majority in the Riksdag for a more sensible approach to power generation and yet it will never happen because both C and MP see the issue as non-negotiable.

C did like a good minority shareholder and hosed right off through 2 x Reinfeld governments with any attempts at influential opposition to nuclear policy within the government, and I would say (warning: former Östhammar resident speaking) isn't even consistently anti-nuclear anymore. Well, or anything for that matter...

MP might not have a baby boomer green movement at its core -- whose opposition to nuclear power was like the best attempt of a Swedish Ralph Wiggum to fight for nuclear disarmament in a country that didn't actually have nuclear weapons -- but it's still doing a phenomenal job at attracting the enthusiastically uninformed.

There's the problem. Excess baseload power is incredibly important for the current electricity prices and Swedish industries, but it's also an abstract concept that will only get a "kanske det" (Swedish for "You're full of poo poo.") from even someone politically invested in energy issues as a voter. It's impossible to create the political will to refurbish our energy system on purpose, when hundreds of thousands of Swedish people in Sweden unironically view solar energy in Sweden positively.

Groda fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Mar 28, 2017

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

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Finns are just Swedes without the charm. They're Systembolaget's longest-running ad campaign.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

TheFluff posted:

also, a lot of those programmers are furreners taken' are jerbs so they should just be deported anyway, yeah?

Btw hilarious that they could manage to get folks deported through mere incompetence with the world's easiest work visa system.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

MiddleOne posted:

'But don't you get it, we are disruptive job creators, we are heroes dammit! We shouldn't have to fill out forms! :argh:'

This is so close to the truth it's ridiculous. I know a number of people from the expat scene coming here to workplaces without collective bargaining agreements, that are willing to spend $$$ in immigration lawyers to argue their way out of tjänstepensioner and workplace accident insurance.

At least from 2008, when the new work visa system came into effect, to 2014, when they realized there were a suspicious number of 19 kkr/month kebabtekniker jobs that couldn't be filled by Swedish/EU workforce, plenty of employers got away with offering jobs that no union would sign off on (a union statement is attached to the job offer which is attached to the work visa application). Probably since the Utlänningslagen is written so that you can offer a job with worse terms than the collective bargaining agreements as long as it follows "praxis inom yrket eller branschen."

Migrationsverket is stricter now, which means that lots of folks 2015-2016 having to renew 2 year work visas that they got before migget got its poo poo together are getting :byewhore: decisions.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

MiddleOne posted:

My memory might be playing a trick on me here but as I remember it the Schengen exception that allows for the temporary border controls requires that they are manned by personal falling under the police.

Wouldn't Austria be hella non-compliant, then?

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
The Swedish immigration system is the Platonic ideal of not giving a poo poo about integration. They don't even have a separate process for permanent residence, which any sane country would attach to integration incentives to. It's just like a bunch of tumors sticking off of the other visa paths.

And boy-howdy do they not even care if you speak Swedish. Especially not when applying for citizenship.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

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Sweden is the only place I've met people who believe you smoke mushrooms.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

BigglesSWE posted:

Although, the M commercials in the Stockholm subway is pretty out there as well.

So, I wasn't around for Gamla Moderaterna. Is this what they were like, or is this just 100 % calling dibs on Sd 2014 voters?

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
Sweden is so thoroughly Americanized that the general public responds to American dog whistles referring to things which nearly don't exist outside the United States.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
I have a bunch of poo poo to do with MSB at work starting this year, and I am terrified.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
I'm calling it: If they don't already use SAP, they'll have implementation plans by the end of the year.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Collateral Damage posted:

The Swedish minister of environment argues that it should be legal to steal something if you can't afford to pay for it. As long as you're the state, of course.

https://www.svd.se/ar-det-for-dyrt-att-folja-grundlagen-ministern

"Frihetlig opinionsbildare"?

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

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MiddleOne posted:

If my real occupation was shilling for an-caps and libertarians I'd also use made-up titles.


https://www.facebook.com/sloseriombudsmannen/
I've had a lot to drink but not enough for a direct link to Slöseriombudsmannen w/o a trigger warning.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

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Retarded Goatee posted:

The people I know who have been part of CUF Stockholm are literally broken in the head

This is the only Swedish youth party I've really hung out with to any degree, and CUF Stockholm seemed like a huge racket for hedonists looking to subsidize their social life.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
There were a lot of rich Megg Mogg Owl types.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
The Swedish home guard isn't even allowed to go to the shooting range on its own, thanks to being banned from performing its own medic roll. A civilian policing role is... probably not in the cards...

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
So, have MP and C just had really bad luck the past couple years, or is there some sort of documented long game going on with Islamists in these parties?

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Rnr posted:

Thread appropriate entertainment. Terrible Danish wrong thinkers heckle Sweden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11YJaE51Zxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0TmH_PMTIY

If anyone can explain what a "Based Danish" is, that would be great. Disclaimer, don't know who the memeson character is, just figured streaming would be blocked for dirty foreigners for content on dr.dk. Sorry to SplitSoul in advance, perhaps you can post some of Spang heckling the right wing in response, so we have equality of outcome?

A Nigerian neighbor of mine stole my bike a few years ago when I was living in the dorms, and a friend of mine saw him with it, but neither of us knew his name. I included this in my police report, and when I got a copy of it in the mail, it had been changed to "a foreign man."

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Potrzebie posted:

Can't spell SD without S. :negative:

So... what has S actually done? Everything that's actually changed since the migrant wave has been chipping away at extremely naive policies that would have been dead years ago if SD's existence didn't make them a matter of face-saving. The most concrete thing they've done to the immigration system is introduce maintenance / housing requirements for visa sponsors, which is a breathtakingly retarded problem to have had in the first place.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Potrzebie posted:

They have gone from "alla ska med" to "-unless you are new here and also a brown; then gently caress you". Also they've basically accepted SDs view of the world, while failing to realise that SD will always be "better" at the intolerance and racism game.

None of that is actual anything.

This election cycle, Socialdemokraterna have spent more ink on concrete changes to Allianens 2008 work visa system to look tough on immigration, since that's already a distasteful form of immigration with Swedish Swedes, and the one that accounts for the smallest share of immigrations. Their integration (!) policy suggestions only extend to a subset of a subset of immigrants who are on socialen and don't have a partner to support them.

At no point have they suggested coupling integration requirements to citizenship (they already possess the legal grounds for introducing this as a matter of policy tmw). Nor have they decided to go Full Dublin on all asylum seekers coming here from countries other than Denmark, Norway and Finland -- again, with legal grounds.

Again, what has S actually done?

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Cerebral Bore posted:

Immigration poicy is actually kinda immaterial.

Swedes thinking it's immaterial is the entire problem. It only exists as a measure of man's sinfullness to them. Immigration policy is extremely material.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Postorder Trollet89 posted:

Bachelor is 90pts in Sweden, Master 120 and PHD studies are paid research/teaching positions where the time spent to get one can vary. To qualify for a PHD position you need 240 points, 4 years, whereas 60 of those have to be at a master level.

Most programs that include a bachelor degree are 180pts, but half of those are typically professional skills or so that are outside the degree.

never ever ever say "points"

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
Looking forward to see how that goes over in Poland.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

evil_bunnY posted:

Can’t loving wait, also in the Netherlands where you literally get 3 days as a dad.

I will never understand how you guys' whole culture of social contracts resulted in such crappy parental leave policies. Sweden has no good reason to be so different.

Unless SGP was vågmästare at some point, of something...

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Swedes talking with Swedes about Swedish things in English.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
Pretty sure he's on board to lose his citizenship, not his passport.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
XVI MMXVIII

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Pyromaniac Ida posted:

Liseberg makes gröna lund look like Pripyat.

The amusement park in Pripjat seemed like it'd have been pretty nice.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Pyromaniac Ida posted:

Na ban all hunters as punishment for them always being dicks about wolves.

The last time a wild wolf killed a human in Sweden was "probably" in the 1750s. Hunters don't give a poo poo about people. They just want to be able to hunt with dogs running around free in the woods.

:quiteracist:

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

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Mr. Sunshine posted:

Well, the upside of having a functioning state apparatus is that it can just keep chugging along whether or not there's an actual government in place, unlike eg the US where poo poo just crashes and burns the moment the parties can't agree on a budget.

That's really more of a peculiarity in how the United States assigns responsibility for deciding budgets that I hope no other sensible democracy has.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Rutkowski posted:

Uh no. That's not true in any way. I have never met a single Swede who isn't KD, SD or even further right who isn't openly against him in a way that was never present even with Bush who was pretty universally loathed. It's a constant subject matter in public transportation and it's never positive or even neutral. He is hated in a level that is unprecedented.

also lol that media is never on KDs side. Last year KD were pretty much the media darlings all year up until the election.

Trump's great.

When Bush was president, Swedes blamed me for America having voting for him.

When Trump got elected, they just felt sorry for me.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
Flashback is a legit resource for immigrants.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Eschenique posted:

Flashback has more nazis than the comment section of a World of Tanks video with a Sabaton soundtrack. Not sure I want to credit it as a net benefit to immigrants just yet.

The amount of mundane information I've gotten off it of it since I moved to Sweden is huge.

As soon as you can read passable Swedish, it and FamiljLiv instantly become your toxic Hitchhiker's Guide to Sweden.

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Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
Dad's Army

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