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Pellisworth posted:Evolving from basement goonlord to productive and independent members of society is a cool discussion but the argument that millenials are coddled and lazy is extremely tired and stupid. gently caress you. You sound like a millennial that doesn't like the fact that the Facebook generation isn't nearly so cute anymore and a lot more useless than could be believed. Geez, a culture based around vapid social media combined with all the other horseshit we love to poo poo on (on these forums particularly) turned out a generation of dopey children with zero ambitions. Who coulda guessed it. For the OP, your avatar is Blackadder which makes me think you're British. I can easily say out of all the cultures I've lived in, the English and English youth take indifference to another level. Americans can be brash, but at least the ones I've met have ideas (some of which seem crazy) they want to live by. We Australians love to drink and carry on like trash, but when the chips are down we've got strong ideas about what it is to be an adult (living at home with Mum and earning 50k a year working retail isn't one of them). But in England I felt a pervasive sense of 'meh', moreso than anywhere else. Even the Italians seemed to have more to strive for, despite being broke as gently caress. I really like what the person said above about earning money. You keep running into this loving infuriating idea with millennials that their work needs to be amazing and they're just too good (or something) for doing many jobs. Sitting a desk and working (like a doctor, lawyer or engineer does) seems like some great failing.. you've got some lame desk job which is mundane and YAWN. Many aren't stupid enough to then follow up with 'so how do I become a fighter pilot/rockstar/astronaut' because they know that's actually out of reach.. but they still don't seem to make the connection that if they're not actually going to be a tennis pro then perhaps doing one of the 'lame mundane professions' is perhaps not quite so lame at all. That's at the teenage level. There is a multiplier effect with time, so by the time someone with a brain got on with it gets to 30.. they're not doing the bitch work anymore, they're pulling down real coin and making serious plans. By 35 they're driving a BMW and living where they choose, with more disposable income than they know what to do with (and that's after putting away thousands a month in investments). I think I've gotten through to my partners 14 year old son. He was all about photography and he's quite good, I like it too. But he said something the other day 'yeah photography is cool, but I can do that as a hobby. I want to earn coin when I finish. I'm thinking maybe commerce?'. Now commerce is some boring poo poo, we can do better than that.. but let me tell you, mate, you are on the right track 
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MikeCrotch posted:nice meltdown So, this is another example. As teenagers are still in the 'fit in' stage, what is most important to them is appearing cool and non-nonchalant, because they don't have developed senses of self-worth and value themselves based on the opinions of others or their 'peers'. The problem is many modern teenagers don't grow out of this in their twenties, so you've got fully grown adults who still think the most important things in life are not to rock the boat and appear chill in front of their homies. This results in not being passionate or having much of an idea about anything.. which leads to somehow I blinked and now I'm 33 and I live at home with my parents. The idea that anyone that speaks with authority or experience is uncool and really the coolest people are those on the sidelines laughing at everyone trying so hard, is something that normally dies with high school. Anne Whateley posted:Not everyone has archives, please source your quotes from 2007 What? Is this about 2008 and the American crash? I'm Australian, we didn't have a crash. People that did real degrees in the US and worked hard to make themselves useful did ok, it was the crowds of people with business and art degrees with no real career planning that graduated and couldnt get a job. Don't do something nebulous and ill-defined at University, if you don't want to do STEM then there are other options but if you can't show me 10 ads in the paper for the job you're going to get when you finish then you should really reconsider your 'university education'.
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Jun 29, 2016 02:08
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Nice strawman.. Perhaps stop whining to mum about how the world is hard and get on with it?
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Jun 29, 2016 02:43
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Why don't you actually write something of substance and have a discussion rather than making allusions and snarky comments like a little bitch?
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Jun 29, 2016 03:03
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What was your major? You didn't seem to mention it..
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I'm right here and will respond a bit later, but I'm busy working at my job right now. I'm looking forward to it though First up we've got the English and History major that found it hard to find work. Not because these fields have always been hard to find work in, not because in the modern age many of the functions of English majors (publishing, academia) are changing dramatically.. it's because this poor little snowflake graduated in 2008! Oh no! I'm sure this guy was about to be the next blockbuster novelist, but the drat world conspired to bring him down. Then we've got the guy that had to move across the world to teach English, after doing a business degree and probably working in administration and becoming dissatisfied with his life. Did he look at other options? Perhaps re-educate in something that isn't as broad as 'business' so there is some more direction to his career and life? Nope, that all sounds too much like hard work. I'll go and teach English overseas, where I have no family around me, no long term friends and start an entirely different life. Futhermore, I'm superior to those drones back in Australia working their 9-5s. Those fools are all just chasing bullshit they never questioned, while I'm here in Prauge as an English teacher. It's all right here in black and white. It's a sense of superiority, a sense of being special in some way. A disrespect for those who came before. These people actually believe they know better, and knew better all along. We are the chumps, working our mundane jobs and earning our stupid degrees. The problem for them is now my generation (born in the 80s) now does the hiring, and we're sick of it. edit: just for those that don't come from Melbourne, the Eastern suburbs are the expensive ones. You've literally got a snotty little rich kid that didn't do anything meaningful at Uni, falling on his face. Personally, I love it. I'm not from Melbourne at all, I'm from Adelaide, but now I live in Camberwell (Melbourne Eastern suburbs). You appreciate it differently when you earned it. It's what I said in my first post, coming from such a place of privilidge that they feel entitled to consider people like me as crass and beneath them, while it's their parents that enabled them to even think this way in the first place. They haven't done a drat thing in their lives on their own to justify it. Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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Jun 30, 2016 02:58
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You can probably write a cool paper about it with Anne Whateley if you like. I was born in 1980, are you telling me I would have had to be born in the 70s to not be a Millennial? Everyone from birth to 40 years old is now an Millennial? I think that is stretching it a long way and we all know exactly who we are talking about.
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The harder you work, the luckier you'll get. Opportunities are so often about being in the right place at the right time, being there when something happened that you knew how to exploit. But you gotta be there first. More things you line up in your favor (experience, education) the easier you make it for the chips to fall your way. Keep going and eventually it's hard to understand why some people seem to struggle so much, because you've forgotten about all the work you did as it's far in the past and you're focused on your current goals.
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