Tias posted:

Hey you guys. I'm probably going to dust off my Khador mans and get back in on the wrecked steel game

Anything I should know about the new Mk?

I AM THE MOON posted:

S.J. posted:

Especially since, for whatever reason, critical effects aren't optional anymore. Which really sucks for heavies with crit slam and stuff like that.

Tias posted:

Hey you guys. I'm probably going to dust off my Khador mans and get back in on the wrecked steel game

Anything I should know about the new Mk?

xiw posted:

No problem: http://conflictchamber.com/#bb1b5E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3E3Ed2

Pyronic posted:

Well since there's a new thread i'll ask again here: I'm having trouble deciding between Circle and Cygnar for my first foray into Warmahordes.

I like the looks of the Circle Wolds and Reeves, but getting their battlegroup wont help with that at all. Cygnar seem to be the closest to the ideal I wanted with shooty warjacks, but again the Battlegroup is questionable progress towards that goal.

Lemme hear some goon opinions on these two armies, i'm curious.

Geisladisk posted:

Strakhov can move a 'Jack 23" on his feat turn.

4" base speed
+2" from Superiority
+4" from feat
= 10" full advance

'Jack advances 10" from Overrun. 'Jack then charges 13".

25" threat on a jack with reach, half of which is non-linear.

hmm yes this is fine

I AM THE MOON posted:

quote:

Originally Posted by PPS Doug
I'm glad to see people are feeling a visceral and emotional reaction to the Agonizer. It is an effective piece, and if it makes you feel sad to look upon it, congratulations in being human and having empathy. The skorne are not human, and I think nothing better represents the inherently alien aspects of their culture than this particular "weapon". For those interested in learning more about the skorne, I hope you'll take the opportunity to pick up the Monsternomicon 2, which includes a sizable piece of material on their empire, history, and philosophies. (If you picked up the IKWG to learn more about the world, then this will serve a similar function to you.) I think we succeeded in making the skorne an interesting, rich, and dynamic culture which has its own internal logic, consistency, and a certain resonance. I also think that while they are inhuman, there are human cruelties to equal anything they have done.

I can't speak for Matt Wilson, if he wants to post on the topic I'm sure he will. But I will say I think there was a general feeling among a number of the designers that we hadn't entirely conveyed on an emotional level the darkness of the skorne. Evolution expands each of the factions and shines light into various aspects of each, and in some cases that light shines on an uncomfortable place. This is intentional. This is not done for pure shock value or to cause controversy, but is a more detailed exploration of the subject matter. If this is the model that finally conveys to many people the real brutality and darkness of skorne civilization, than I'd say the model is a success. You should indeed want to destroy your skorne opponent all the more in the game.

Imagine the feelings of those watching the advance of these invaders, seeing their loved ones chained and enslaved to be dragged off across the Bloodstone Marches. Imagine the resolution the soldiers feel as they face this enemy knowing full well the consequences of their failure. All of the men and women defending Cygnar's eastern border fortresses, all of the trollkin who have had to give ground before the skorne advance, each of them can visualize the horror of what life might be like if they fail and the skorne succeed. They can visualize what their lands would be like under the lash of these inhuman tyrants from across the impossible wastes of the east, and it is a horror they will give their lives to prevent. In our miniature games we enjoy humor and levity but we also know that war can be hell and we attempt to present conflicts where there are serious consequences to the battles at hand. It is a fictional setting, but one into which we have invested considerable time and energy. In the context of the setting, in the clashes between these factions, there are sometimes very high stakes at hand. In some cases these battles are not just squabbles over territory, in some cases we are facing clashes of incompatible philosophies, of the possible extinction of species or religions, threats to the immortal soul, or battles where the participants are fighting tooth and nail for the right merely to exist. If this provokes thought and emotion, all the better.

Each clash between different factions has a different gravitas. It is significant in Superiority that Khador and Cygnar, bitter rivals and hated foes as they may be, have occasionally put aside their differences to deal with Cryx. In HORDES one can see why even though the Trollbloods and the Circle are engaged in bloody retributive clashes over certain betrayals, their conflicts pale in comparison with the desperate war for survival forced on the trollkin when the skorne first crashed against them. Evolution should hopefully bring new perspective to these wars between the HORDES factions. Some elements may disturb you, and that is as it should be. If the thought of Tharn cannibalism bothers you, that's probably a good thing. If the Agonizer spurs an instinctive response that you want to put the poor thing out of its misery and wipe your adversary's paingivers off the table in retaliation, excellent. I feel my own sense of outrage and tremendous loss over what has happened to the entire Nyss culture at the hands of Everblight, and find it feels particularly satisfying when I defeat them in a game.

There are shades of gray in every faction and moments of sympathy even with the "bad guys". The Agonizer is not one of them. You may feel sympathy for Makeda, for example, and recognize in her a certain admirable nobility of character. Yet it is important to understand that she does not arise from a culture you would recognize or sympathize with. She has sworn her loyalty to one of the darkest villains of the modern age. Her people have taken a number of dubious paths, and one of those has given rise to weapons derived from the enslavement and torment of otherwise peaceful and surprisingly intelligent herbivores. There are skorne who have admirable qualities, but ultimately they are a cruel and pragmatic people whose morality is alien to most humans of western Immoren. Yet at the same time we also know within our setting that humans are capable of their own darkness, their own incalculable cruelties and evil. Fortunately there are also those who are willing to fight against such things and who can find a spark of nobility even amid the darkness. There can't be proper heroism without the opportunity to oppose villainy. Pick a faction, have fun playing either a hero or a villain or something in between. Assemble and paint the models you like and throw yourself into the middle of the battle.

counterspin posted:

So can collossals and gargantuans move outside of their normal movement now? I keep hearing things that suggest this, but I'm not sure where to find the rules.

head58 posted:

Only the Archangel who has a special rule to allow it, I believe.

waah posted:

Which then led to the infamous happy titan picture post.

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-6/04/2010-matt-dipietro

Agonizer-Gate 6 - 30 - 2007. Never forget.

Khisanth Magus posted:

Couple fluff corrections:

1) As of MK3 Leto is no longer king of Cygnar, he abdicated in favor of Vinter's son, Julius.
2) The Iosan gods didn't die when the bridge exploded. They were all alive, and led their people to the west out of the wasteland. After the elves settled down in Ios, all of the gods left to go try and find a way back to their own realm because them being on Caen was loving things up. All but 2 of them died in their wanderings, coincidently at the same time that Tharmar gifted humans the ability to use magic.

Wizard Styles posted:

Huh, really? I can't think of a single crit effect that was optional in Mk2 and isn't anymore. Crit Pitch still lets you choose. At least that's what the leaked cards say. Is this War Room being terrible again?

Tias posted:

Anything I should know about the new Mk?

SERPUS posted:

There are new rules.

gannyGrabber posted:

meeplemart (canada) has all the new poo poo in stock
40 canabux for bboxes and 20 for cards. 10 bux shipping anywhere in country. Is good deal.

PaintVagrant posted:

Canadians are a flighty, gooselike people

rantmo posted:

gently caress, is it too late to change the thread title?

PaintVagrant posted:

Canadians are a flighty, gooselike people

GoodBee posted:

Weren't they the ones who started the OMG OUT OF STOCK panic?

The statement PP made made it sound like, Hey, we sold out but we'll have another run out to distributors in July and August. Meeplemart post the OMG LESS THAN 5% OF ORDERS CAN BE FILLED!

It doesn't really sound like it's terribly hard to get your hands on the new stuff. Maybe not as convenient but whatever.

PaintVagrant posted:

Canadians are a flighty, gooselike people

PaintVagrant posted:

Canadians are a flighty, gooselike people

Pyrolocutus posted:

The flank/gang/gang ...

"Pyrolocutus" posted:

without breaking anything else in the process.

Saalkin posted:

I'm Canadian and those geese are nothing like us. When we're rear end in a top hat we're passive aggressive.

Alpha Phoenix posted:

Also some upcoming stuff is in war room fwiw.

Pyrolocutus posted:

EDIT: According to one of my friends, various podcasts are discussing a new round of leaks, from the next expansion books. I can't listen to podcasts, so anyone else heard about this thing?

Pyrolocutus posted:

The flank/gang/gang fighter interaction is dumb as hell and I hope they just straightup change the rules to bring it back without breaking anything else in the process.