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The trouble their is PP is declaring that homemade walls/barrels/traps/firepits aren't legal for official events. It's the $20 per pack or nothing.
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Jan 31, 2023 21:22
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Yeah but there are very few of those to begin with. So a few people who care might end up needing to buy some but most people will get by with whatever at their local events in the mean time and then purchase some if they feel like going to something official. It's stupid either way, though.
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Jan 31, 2023 21:25
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I can't imagine ever buying them personally, but this is a pretty naked attempt to milk the whales. Especially in light of "ayo you can't make your own."
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Jan 31, 2023 21:28
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S.J. posted:Yeah but there are very few of those to begin with. So a few people who care might end up needing to buy some but most people will get by with whatever at their local events in the mean time and then purchase some if they feel like going to something official. It's stupid either way, though. I'm willing to bet all the major con tournaments will stick with the official line on this, and that'll trickle down to whatever competitive scene is left these days
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Feb 1, 2023 01:30
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They certainly might! I'm not too chuffed personally, but it's a really stupid thing for sure. At this point I'm almost writing the game off until the end of the year and we see what the actual scene looks like with up to date lists and options.
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Feb 1, 2023 06:43
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The big events still running Warmachine games is, itself, a worthy basis for a bet.
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Was anyone else stupid and/or impulsive enough to but a Mk IV set? I was expecting that since these are 3D printed that the sockets would be designed just deep enough to hold the magnets exactly but that is apparently not the case. I'm wondering if gluing along the rim is enough or I need to partially fill the socket with putty to get the magnet flush. E: looks like I'm the one who's bad at counting. smug jeebus fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Feb 2, 2023 |
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I didn't buy in, but some of the people who did have magnet problems as well. Mispacks in general are rampant. Edit: Great news. It turns out, Privateer Press didn't create defences just to fleece their customers: Matt Wilson posted:On Defenses! They just decided to start selling defences, and the retail release is set up and going ahead no matter what, but now Privateer Press agrees they should play test them. They'll do so soon! And if it turns out defences break the game, they'll change the rules. At some point. Also, this is not some pay to win thing which requires players to buy multiple sets of models, including many they will never need, in order to not lose. Eventually players will be able to buy the models they need to not lose individually* *via direct order from Privateer Press at their inflated prices. Maneck fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Feb 2, 2023 |
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Feb 2, 2023 06:02
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PP really looking like Sideshow Bob and that yard full of rakes rn
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quote:So, we are working on balancing Defenses for those who want to use them with advantages that require no additional models for those who don’t wish to use Defenses in an effort to maintain a level playing field that still allows us to innovate on the game. The game straight-up defaulted to "buy all of them," but fine - we'll work on alternatives for you ungrateful weirdos who hate innovation. This is not even slightly reassuring.
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moths posted:The game straight-up defaulted to "buy all of them," but fine - we'll work on alternatives for you ungrateful weirdos who hate innovation. The fact that their response is "Don't worry, we're reasonable people!" is SO loving amateur. I don't want reassurances that you'll come to compromises! Tell me "Shut up worms, we do this for A JOB, we've got a wealth of internal data that you don't, and we're telling you, it's gonna be great. We know best, but appreciate the enthusiasm." Just saying, 'Oh hey maybe you're right, but we'll sort it out eventually' might as well just say" Oh gently caress, oops, too late'
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Feb 2, 2023 10:31
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This is like the moment in Age of Sigmar history where factions were getting unique terrain pieces with their own rules, except everyone has to buy multiple copies and the people behind the idea are like "my 'we're not desperate for money' t-shirt is raising a lot of questions etc etc". And now oddly enough GW doesn't make those anymore and most of them can be completely ignored.
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Yeah trying to split the difference confirms that 1) nobody is happy, and 2) they're aware nobody is happy but doing it anyway. If they were just OP models that anyone could pay points for, a lot of people would have bought four sets and moved on. But some people would have made their own (because it's terrain,) and that's not how we do things at PP.
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Maneck posted:The big events still running Warmachine games is, itself, a worthy basis for a bet. This weekend is CaptainCon, which evolved out of TempleCon, and was one of the biggest WMH events back in the day. The numbers pre registered for the Master’s qualifier and the New England Team Tournament do not look anywhere near good.
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head58 posted:This weekend is CaptainCon, which evolved out of TempleCon, and was one of the biggest WMH events back in the day. The numbers pre registered for the Master’s qualifier and the New England Team Tournament do not look anywhere near good. Got a buddy heading to this to play Marvel I was shocked to hear it was still going on and that anyone was still playing tournaments there.
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It’s spread into lots of other games in recent years - the 40K tournament is close to full - and it does a lot of board games and rpgs. But the drop off in WMH and the death of Guild Ball really hurt it.
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The Deleter posted:This is like the moment in Age of Sigmar history where factions were getting unique terrain pieces with their own rules, except everyone has to buy multiple copies and the people behind the idea are like "my 'we're not desperate for money' t-shirt is raising a lot of questions etc etc". Some of those AoS terrain pieces are awesome as models:  The Defences models previewed by Privateer Press look like something which could be found in a minute on Thingverse if devoting five minutes to finding cool designs was out-of-the-question. Locally there's a guy who printed a bunch of terrain on his filament 3d printer. If you dropped his stuff on the table next to what Privateer Press previewed, I expect passers by would be shocked to learn which pieces were random .stl files from the internet and which were a physical product sold by a major game company.
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Feb 2, 2023 22:25
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What blows my mind a bit here is that those PP-specific terrain pieces were pretty well loved - if PP did some nice Iron Kingdoms terrain it'd probably sell! They just had to couple it to the competitive game though.
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xiw posted:What blows my mind a bit here is that those PP-specific terrain pieces were pretty well loved - if PP did some nice Iron Kingdoms terrain it'd probably sell! They just had to couple it to the competitive game though. 1000 percent this. The old kits they made were sick.
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Maneck posted:
Yeah with gw ones a) you tend to get really nice piece of terrain you can use for anything b) only ones that were "required" were lizard pyramid and sylvaneth wyldwoods. This I wouldn't want to use for anything once PP goes belly up
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Feb 3, 2023 09:18
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I think the firepit looks ok, but it's more like something you would get in a scatter terrain kit than something that actually has rules
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Covermeinsunshine posted:Yeah with gw ones a) you tend to get really nice piece of terrain you can use for anything b) only ones that were "required" were lizard pyramid and sylvaneth wyldwoods. Its a little mindblowing the tree kits are "required" for the sylvaneth but i think they rewrote those rules so you don't have to buy em, you can just point at the game club's out of scale medieval house and go "overgrown, counts as the trees" or something i play the deepkin and i can count the number of times their shipwreck has been useful on precisely 0 fingers so ive been leaving it at home
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What is PP planning to charge for that terrain anyway, have they said that? Because the renders look ok for battlefield markers but not good if they're coming in at a high price.
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Feb 3, 2023 19:10
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Looks like $19.99 but there's no point in buying less than four if that's how many you can use.
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There's apparently even more terrain coming, and it's not as shabby looking as the stuff first announced. https://home.privateerpress.com/2023/02/10/warmachine-terrain-guard-tower/
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Feb 11, 2023 06:29
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I really like that tower, tbh
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Dunno. Its not bad but its not anything to write home about. I probably can get good looking tower out of kromlech for half the price
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can we get unique rules attached to terrain so a brick wall can be power crept by a slightly better brick wall
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It's a cute little tower, and unlike some terrain makers, they actually designed it to be taken apart for models to be inserted; so that's a plus. I still just feel a bit confused, knowing that this is 3d resin printed. Ignoring all the back and forth controversy of their print work up until now, it just feels weirdly inefficient to use resin printers to make big boxy towers like this?
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Eh, seems fine? There seems to be a decent amount of detail in the individual pieces.
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With maybe the exception of the Warjacks, all of the new Khador is just so bland and its kind of disappointing
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I don’t really have issues with the tower, seems fine, just seems weird to be launching new terrain piece stuff while there is a lot to do on the core game. I guess it’s good to keep people who are playing interested.
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smug jeebus posted:With maybe the exception of the Warjacks, all of the new Khador is just so bland and its kind of disappointing I thought the new Mechanics looked pretty neat tbh. The regular infantry never really did anything for me one way or the other though, even back in the day. e: Actually I like both of the Warcasters, I think. I like the idea of the new Man'o'wars but I don't like the look of the chain guns. S.J. fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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That and the barricades both have a very beginner vibe, which makes me wonder if some of their more professional 3D artists have jumped ship.
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miniscule12 posted:can we get unique rules attached to terrain so a brick wall can be power crept by a slightly better brick wall Coming soon from black anchor, heavy metal walls with warcaster feats
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moths posted:That and the barricades both have a very beginner vibe, which makes me wonder if some of their more professional 3D artists have jumped ship.  They look decent enough, but they're so "boxy," and lacking charm. There's no little flourishes that make it look like they've been hastily built on a battlefield, or that they've used for any amount of time.
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Cygnar and Orgoth have been out for a month. Has anyone actually played mk4?
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Not me! There are plenty of people who are trying to get Mk. 4 to work here. There's still an unmistakable net migration out of the game. And for reasons which were widely expected. The production and quality control problems which were inherent to the move to 3D printing have played out pretty close to what many predicted. New or returning players can't get in because it's hard to get new models and they're often breakage requiring replacement. I personally have been caught in wrong model hell, which was also predicted as a problem. I can't field anything that makes sense with what I have built and painted. I had been relying on Gargantuan beasts to play in Mk. 3 and those currently have no rules. Coupled with bad guesses on what models would be included in armies and I'm currently not able to play. I got Zuriel ready to this summer go as the expected centerpiece of the Blighted Nyss list. This week he was omitted from new new Legion list, and with both Legion legacy prime armies out, that means he'll never be in Prime. He was the center of Children of the Dragon (the Nyss theme list) for a long time. He doesn't seem to pose any balance problems. The explanation is probably as simple as Privateer Press didn't want to spend an hour porting rules over. Argh. I also painted up a Spawning Vessel because a) I think it's a cool model and b) Privateer Press expressly identified it would be in the cadre for Legion (i.e. the list of models which can be taken in any legacy army of that faction). Unfortunately, so far Cadres are completely missing, so it's another thing I got ready to go that I can't use. Both of those are on top of 5 of the past 6 most recent Legion model releases not making it into either Prime army list, and 4 of the last 6 have no rules for Mark 4 whatsoever. Which is to say I'm looking at the effort I made to try to be able to play a Mk. 4 game, looking at the models I do have ready but which I can't use, and feeling like I would have been much happier if I spent my time working on Crisis Protocol. The game has also died in a few nearby pockets where it had survived. Regional tournaments are no longer happening.
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