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Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
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Vassal is a program that lets you play Warmachine onine with nerds! When combined with steam voice chat, it's a great way to dojo lists and get mad at goons from other countries.

We have a steam group here: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Warmahores

Chat can often be dead, but there's a few people you can poke for a game, such as myself!


VVV And this guy, if he signs on. :mad:

Alpha Phoenix fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jun 30, 2016

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Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
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w00tmonger posted:

Who wants to bitch about how their faction has been ruined in the OP?

I would, but I play Trolls and Menoth, I feel pretty good.

The ministry of information has assured me that I have never played Skorne.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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"Pyrolocutus" posted:

without breaking anything else in the process.

:allears:


Also some upcoming stuff is in war room fwiw.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Fyrbrand posted:

I've seen guys like Pagani and Jay Larsen testing lists with double bouncers, so that may turn out to be a thing.

I can very much see this as a thing now that heavy infantry is weaker and light infantry has so many more blasts to deal with.

I think that 2x Troll bouncer or 2x Cyclops brute could easily become the new tarpit. Just don't put fury into them outside of the first turn running, or maybe intentionally frenzy them once they're deep in combat.

Even with the fury troubles we have now, they're a more appealing tarpit than the competition.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
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After shipping you'll probably spend near the cost of a battle box.

Just pick up one for a faction you might want to paint.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
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Mispacks are PP'S way of telling you to do conversions.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Before mk3, I saw a lot more Coc than Ret. I think it's popular enough to justify at least a model or two per book (4+ for others. I don't mind limited release, but it's been beyond dead.

Also CoC has amazing theming and art design and I love it. The pumpkinhead Nightmare Before Malifaux faction has a lot to prove.

Edit: I want a CoC journeyman caster. It mucks up induction but a rat 6 Jr. could shake them up significantly.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Here's some delicious tears:
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?256325-Hope-you-didn-t-sell-those-axers

Apparently the wording on the Fell Caller was changed so that "model/unit" is to be "warrior model/unit." Most of the players assumed it was intentionally changed so that you didn't need an axer as the only way to grant pathfinder, since PP said "no more autoincludes."

Sample:

quote:

It's not about being a victim. For plenty of people, it's not just a game. It's a community that they love being a part of. Feeling behind the curve and being vocal about it is usually best countered with specific answers or upsides, not with vitriol and aggression. If someone is disheartened, showing them silver linings will likely help a bit more than telling them to stop having an emotional attachment to a game/community they've spent a huge portion of their life being a part of. I'm currently super down on Trolls, but I'm going to be playing them because I'm not financially able to play Warmachine instead at the moment. My options are either that, or stop attending game night with people I've known since the days of 40k 4th edition. I just don't get the hostility toward people feeling down instead of... you know, being a community that brings people up instead of forcing them out.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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CaptCommy posted:

I totally don't understand this criticism. POW 19 with 3 fury is what loving Imperatus usually runs around at and I don't think anyone would say he hits like a pussy.

I'll say it.

Crusaders hit harder than Impy with just a choir buff. Pow 22 if you add ignite.

And it's 10 points. :colbert:

I'm having so much fun in menoth... it's everything I wanted from skorne!

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Want a really mobile warjack in your army, but just can't make it happen without breaking the rules of the game? Worry no more!

If you take Sam & Devil Dogs, Sam is a Jack Marshall with a Drive: Reposition 5". Add on a Ranking Officer such as Attendant Priest or Murdoch, and now they are #FACTION# models instead of Mercenary models. Which means they can take Redeemers / Hunters / and give them Aim, The bonus aim damage marshall, AND reposition 5".

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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I think you can do it with Valachev. I just don't know if it's worth doing to jack marshal a khadoran jack. Although the Marshal Aiming would stack well with a big AoE.


Edit: It's probably not worth doing on anything anyways with the possible exception of a Redeemer [which is stupid when marshaled] but honestly, I just want to do weird poo poo like this for the sake of doing weird poo poo, rather than because it's some secret OP tech.

Alpha Phoenix fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jul 14, 2016

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
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SpaceViking posted:

He means you can't hire the devil dogs as khador.

Oh gotcha, whoops.




V Or that one town in Diablo.

Alpha Phoenix fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jul 14, 2016

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
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fnordcircle posted:

Feat: Self Actualizing

Feat: Fire Walking (but like, the Tony Robbins kind)

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Khisanth Magus posted:

Huh, not a single Baldur + WW list that I can see.

I'm amused by the horde of Alten Ashleys that are going to be at the tournament though! Nothing says balanced like how often he is in lists.

Losing shield guard on the lights crippled wold lists. Idrians kill him and very little can screen effectively. Any gun line is bad news for baldur/brad.

And Alten Ashley is fair and 3 years of playtested.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Mailbox Roleplay posted:

Every Wold was nerfed and/or lost abilities in MK3. Retribution for Bradigus perhaps but it was the theme list that was broken. I miss the Wold Guardian having Stone Flesh dearly, especially in this new meta.

See: Cataphracts, Earthborn, Wolds, Mad Dogs.



Edit: From the Menoth forums:
The best thing about Reclaimers being Jack Marshals is that they, as an order, have vows of silence. So it's this creepy dude running around waving his arms frantically at a warjack in the middle of the battle, while the warjack has to go between fighting, and looking at the reclaimer to figure out what in the Lawgivers' name it's supposed to be doing.

:allears:

Alpha Phoenix fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jul 15, 2016

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
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Kithkar posted:

The biggest thing that has troubled me about feeling like Jason Soles/PP has no idea what they're doing is that the laundry list of things nerfed does more or less line up with things that people only took because of themes.

I feel this way too. I really like a lot of what MK3 does, Power Up is fantastic and 'fixes' warmachine. Marshals now have useful abilities, and the game was in need for a broad sweeping rebalance. A lot of the nerfs are pretty fair. Legion players are sad but generally content, even the PP forums Cryx players are going 'yea we kinda deserved that' and Molik's changes are totally reasonable.

Then there's things like Cataphracts, Kriels vs Fenns, Mauler & Earthborn being the same cost, and the comparative points cost of the Rhinodon (12), Gladiator (14), and Soldier (18) for what they do (I defy PP to show me their 'Jedi Curve' for Skorne), the Troll animus situation, and Dahlia's balance changes compared to Brun's.

It's gonna take some getting used to, sure. And it's entirely possible that I'm missing some big picture balance thing... But I feel like their designs are pretty awkward compared to their balance in MK2, and in too many cases I've felt less options in what to take rather than more.

Alpha Phoenix fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jul 15, 2016

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
:kazooieass::kazooieass::kazooieass:

^ I actually liked 42 points in MK2, and yea, 75 MK3 feels a lot closer to that. You can't simply bring the kitchen sink anymore, and support bloat is a harder choice. 75 feels nice, though I wouldn't mind a small 10-point 'sidebar' for all factions, upped higher for ADR.


CaptCommy posted:

Same goes for all the Troll pieces you've mentioned so far.

I see what you're saying, but even with the power level going down there's some wonky choices. I like the Slag troll being more distinct than the Pyre, and assault really gives it a neat niche. I actually really like the new slag. But you used to have the option of Slag, Pyre, or Mauler for a +dmg animus. Now you NEED a mauler (or MK) to give out rage. It's less of a choice than before. I can agree with you on the earthborn and say it's place is to be tanky, yet without adaptation you still need a mauler to make it hit harder than a bomber. I really don't want to have my heaviest hitter in the list be dice -5 against my enemy's heavies, especially with Khador getting all uppity, which creates a mandatory Mauler tax where one didn't exist before.

I guess I can say it's "My Opinion" that the kriels aren't really cheap enough to justify their losses. They're only 1 MK2 point away from Fenns. If the fenn's price increased or the kriels price was even lower for the loss of Prayers and Steady, maybe? But it's only a difference of 7/11 to 9/15. They do clog for cheap. Prayers just let them do so and be useful at the same time.

I'm not saying trolls are in a bad place, mind you. I'm just saying I feel less versatility in list building in mk3.

Alpha Phoenix fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jul 15, 2016

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
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waah posted:

I just want the Skorne Morghoul shirt that the guy wore to the tournament. Hopefully someone has a few good pictures of it that they can post since I am phone posting right now.

http://stores.inksoft.com/PRIVATEER_PRESS ?

Edit: Nvm, found a pic. Which of you goons is this?


Khisanth Magus posted:

Hordes takes place 1 & 2 at Rocky Mountain Rumble, a WMW qualifier tournament, this weekend, with Jay Larson coming in first with Trolls and a Circle player for #2.

Game is totally a wreck though and Hordes is unplayable.

Could you link to lists and placings?

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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"Remove Gunfighter from the mountain king"

This is because it's redundant, and you already have that ability as a gargantuan... right?

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Privateer Press posted:

Hand of Death. Replace the first sentence of Hand of Death with the
following:
Target friendly Faction model gains Overtake and its weapons gain
Grievous Wounds.

Cool, Cannoneer has an AoE 4 gun with Grievous Wounds on the blast.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
:kazooieass::kazooieass::kazooieass:

Boosting is pretty good though, and a potentially boosted damage aimed shot is a better than a granted shot outside of run shenanigans.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Game Plus is good low cost for foam. KR is the best cost to quality though.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
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How do I play pFeora?

So far every game I lose has been a MAT 11 Ghetorix to the face [eKromac and eKreuger] and the games I've won I feel like I won because of my army, not because my caster did anything. I feel like I want to play forward enough to threaten with Engine and put jacks into Effigy territory, but if I get far enough upfield to do that, I get killed.

Here's what I've revised my list to [been proxying via Vassal]

pFeora
-Corbeau
-Sanctifier
-Blood of Martyrs
-Hand of Judgement
Vilmon
Ashley
Rhupert
Reclaimer
Min Choir
Max Idrians +UA
max TFG

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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PaintVagrant posted:

Have you considered the same list but with a different caster running it? :v:

I have! Because I'm still at that point where I only have a few models and each list is a few swaps, a new caster, and a few proxies.

I just want to live the Engine of Destruction dream...

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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PaintVagrant posted:

I want to like feora1 but fire is less useful in mk3 meta, and her spell list is mostly worse too because of meta changes. I just have no idea what she does that's better than a bunch of other options in faction. I guess she has good defensive stats and will be able to camp...

Fair enough. I guess if I want a beatstick caster I should go with durst or reznik.

It makes sense, though. I'll swap Fire for Scourge and try it as a reznik list. I'll have to see if I need to fit in more battlegroup or an arc node.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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gannyGrabber posted:

I've only played cygnar thrice in mk3: I won all 3 games so maybe you need to get good. :smuggo:

There.

10char

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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goodness posted:

Does a group of you still play on vassal? I tried learning about a year ago, got owned in my first game and didn't try again. Thinking about giving it another go if it's still as good a game as people say.

Yea, the warmachine group on steam is often dead but you can message people in the group and ask for a game. I'm usually up for one, though I won't be back in town till Monday. I'd be glad to play you then.

The group is: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Warmahores

We're still not in the OP because of the man.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
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You know how in mk2 you never saw a cannoneer but the sentinel was super legit?

They switched places. Cannoneers own and the sentinel stays on the shelf.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Pyrolocutus posted:

The PP webstore doesn't open until tomorrow, right?

Is there a confirmation on what will be available?

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Here's what I'm thinking:

Tristran
Crusader
Crusader (cheap beaters)
Castigator (cheap SPD 5 beater)
Dervish (cheap mobile jerk)
Purifier (cheap mobile jerk. Could be 2nd dervish)
Redeemer (pew pew, truesight solo removal)
2x Wracks
Choir (Self explanatory)
Max Flame Bringers (front-line and forces the line of engagement to your enemy. Also good early target for Invol)
Max Cinerators (solid 2nd line to go in with your jacks, good late target for Invol)
Gorman (Always a solid utility)

Throw flame bringers in their face, and follow up with everything else, and everything can benefit from heals.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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S.J. posted:

Tristan solves your MAT problem as it turns out

Turns out Reckoners still do that too

And pKreoss

And Thyra. And Amon. And mat 9 BoMartyrs.

:catholic:

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Spell assassination, clearly

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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S.J. posted:

The original Warmachine vidja game was supposed to be an action game.

I really wish that was the game that had been made.

Warmachine & Blade:mount and blade :: Warmachine Tactics:Xcom

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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gannyGrabber posted:

It's actually pronounced "Mo-krez"

"Mark's"

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Post pics

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
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Flimf posted:

There's a new insider up:

This time it's Shicks Zaal2 list:

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-08-10-2016

it's dumb.

Schitk posted:

I call it “Stone Faced Killahs.”

Zaal, The Ancestral Advocate - WB: +29
Aradus Sentinel - PC: 16
Aradus Soldier - PC: 18
Hutchuk, Ogrun Bounty Hunter - PC: 6
Immortals - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
Extoller Advocate - PC: 4
Immortals - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
Extoller Advocate - PC: 4
Nihilators - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
Paingiver Beast Handlers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 5
Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer - Tyrant & Bearer: 6

OK, so let’s just address the elephant in the room. Immortals now grant souls. This means that...

No, the elephant in the room is that there aren't any elephants in your list. You're only running 2 beasts.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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S.J. posted:

Summer time is always annoying for getting people to show up.

Our store is the opposite, we have some kids and some adult teachers who are much more regular in the summer.


Fyrbrand posted:

I'd be more interested in Guildball if it wasn't for the "gently caress PP play a real game" kind of vibe I get from some players of it. More importantly, I just don't care for the looks of any of the teams or whatever. My mandollies have to be pretty pretty mandollies for me to be interested. :allears:

I get that vibe too but I still want to buy fishermans. I just want my new menoth shinies more.

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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Anything is possible with the power of money!

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

That is a peckin' lot of bird...
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Know what warmachine always needed?

Escort quests.

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Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

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You basically get to pick Sac Pawn and Backstab for coward, or Sniper and an extra life if disabled for courage

E;fb


AnElegantPeacock posted:

Which warman would you put up your butt?

Cyriss TEP could be modded to hide a bullet vibe.

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