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I choose to believe there is a timeline in which Carlos did do that.
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c teams shifting adventure was the best part of the game
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Jul 1, 2016 17:09
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The study room is probably the best puzzle room with Eric's reactions to the items, the usage of the doll portraits and having the best ending attached to it.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:12
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Cake Attack posted:c teams shifting adventure was the best part of the game Yeah, I dug the realization that they could shift, but that was probably because I was anticipating a zero who knew about that sort of poo poo and had some sort of measures in place to deal with it.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:16
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By the way, cool detail I noticed the first time around. In the ending where Sigma and Diana hook up and make futurepastquantumbabbies, this is the status chart. And then   This, of course, made me think Sean was Delta, so when I then went back to the Triangle Stand-Off and inserted Delta I was... confused.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:20
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Terper posted:By the way, cool detail I noticed the first time around. In the ending where Sigma and Diana hook up and make futurepastquantumbabbies, this is the status chart. gently caress
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Jul 1, 2016 17:22
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I hate this game and the man who created it He's evil and must be stopped alcharagia posted:Uchikoshi sucks and deserves to die.
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Terper posted:By the way, cool detail I noticed the first time around. In the ending where Sigma and Diana hook up and make futurepastquantumbabbies, this is the status chart. I did once check and realized that the status screen updates immediately, but gently caress, this is insane
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Jul 1, 2016 17:26
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The best thing about this game is Carlos screwing up at everything he does. He tries to jump to another timeline to save Junpei and Akane from "Penalty Penalty", gets killed two or three times, finally comes back and tells them to use the transporter, then blows up the transporter with them still alive and inside of it, killing the very versions of them he was trying to save. And then when he jumps to the other timeline to save them, it's the one where Radical-6 was released.  Terper posted:By the way, cool detail I noticed the first time around. In the ending where Sigma and Diana hook up and make futurepastquantumbabbies, this is the status chart. Holy poo poo.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:36
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This may be just me forgetting a plot point because I played this part way too late in the evening, but in the twins ending where Sigma and Diana are stranded (execute Q -> incinerate phi -> Monty hall -> teleporter room), Akane escapes, right? At that point, she should still know Sigma and Diana are alive and trapped. Is there any reason she wouldn't send help other than the fact that she is kind of a dick? Then again, not knowing for sure allows for the outside possibility that right after the transporter is activated help shows up after the cinematic cuts out, preventing everyone from starving to death in the saddest video game ending ever (in addition to the kids starving, there's no way they didn't eat that dog first), so maybe I'll just choose to delude myself into thinking that is what happened after Delta and Phi get sent away to become grown-up Delta and Phi later.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:54
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Tired Moritz posted:Eric is my favourite character. Why the gently caress are he and Mira in the game? It's not like some "I saw you so you had to be here" like in 999. Eric and Mira are the piranha in the fish tank. Eric presents an obvious source of danger (pointing shotguns in everyone's faces) and Mira presents a secret source of danger.
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Winky posted:Eric and Mira are the piranha in the fish tank. Eric presents an obvious source of danger (pointing shotguns in everyone's faces) and Mira presents a secret source of danger. Isn't that only for shifting? I'm not even sure if Sean is technically shifting or his quantum computer is just so good at processing possibilities that it technically knows everything
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Paul Zuvella posted:Delta is like Hot Topic Levels of Edgy. I loved it because it was hilarious. Maybe I view Uchikoshi as more cynical than the rest of you, but I saw most of the "SO DARK" stuff in this game as intended to be intentionally hilarious. Like how often Akane ends up soaked in everyone else's blood.
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Tired Moritz posted:Isn't that only for shifting? I'm not even sure if Sean is technically shifting or his quantum computer is just so good at processing possibilities that it technically knows everything Mind you, Mira was the one who killed Junpei to set off Akane/Carlos, and Eric was in lots of situations where he was threatening other shifters later in the game.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:02
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:The biggest problem with this game is that there are absolutely no stakes in anything and there's never a sense of urgency. In the final stretch of the game and getting deep into it almost all of the characters just stop caring about dying because "eh we'll just go to another time." and team C actively hunts for ways to nuke themselves. That's essentially the point! Delta is pissed that no one cares about what happens in each timeline, ala Junpei from VLR. To the SHIFTers they're just immortal, but to the people who can't SHIFT they're loving everyone else over in that timeline. That's part of the point of Akane getting so upset at Junpei about his plan, because it was horrific (and led to the thing they were trying to prevent in the first place, ultimately). Delta's whole deal is not really that he had a grand plan, overall he's just trying to make a point.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:11
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Anyone noticed that Sean never bleed when injured? I wanted to think it it was because it was to avoid a higher rating but yeah it was kinda obvious he's a robot.
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Tired Moritz posted:Anyone noticed that Sean never bleed when injured? I wanted to think it it was because it was to avoid a higher rating but yeah it was kinda obvious he's a robot. Yeah, that's what tipped me off right away. By the way, did we ever figure out if Quark was a clone of the original Sean, or another Sean robot who happened to have an actual head?
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Jul 1, 2016 18:19
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Quark is just a boy
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Jul 1, 2016 18:21
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Terper posted:Quark is just a boy One of the death passwords was QUARK, and I remember there being a few important qualities to Quark that were never explained in VLR (he was super resilient, for one). Also the Junpei/Quark relationship mirroring the Delta/Sean relationship doesn't seem like a coincidence.
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it's probably just an allusion, like how there's a lady with big breasts that's never really that important in the plot other in every game.
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Winky posted:One of the death passwords was QUARK, and I remember there being a few important qualities to Quark that were never explained in VLR (he was super resilient, for one). One of the death passwords was Quark yes, but it was in connection to Junpei. It was just a nod towards their connection in VLR. That reminds me that I kept track of all the death passwords and which characters they applied to. There are a few interesting things in there as some of them are actually kinda hints: Carlos: DREAM FIRE FIGHT SHIFT SAVE Akane: KEY CRASH JUNE SIX Junpei: QUARK FIVE JUMP RING DOLL Q: EYE AGE SELF Eric: FOOL ICE LOVE LAKE Mira: VIRGIN KILL HEART RIP Diana: MOM BLUE BIRD MOON Sigma: ARM MILK OLD FATE Phi: DEAR RED TWIN I'm pretty sure this is all of them and that I didn't make any mistakes. Regy Rusty fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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It was really weird for them to have a big moral quandary over loving over their coin flip selves in order to get the good ending, only for that to be the right choice and everyone be happy and ok with it after you do it.
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Also I'm too busy to go back and start going through the scenes again with all the new info I got but, since Q was delta the whole time why was Sean the one hitting all the buttons and making all the decisions? I know that Delta was the one actually choosing all of the decision branches in all the scenarios, but it seemed to imply the only reason Mira and Eric let Sean do things like the execution vote was because he was the team leader, when he obviously isn't. I'm probably just misinterpreting a piece of misleading dialogue I forgot about though or something.
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Every time the characters SHIFT they're loving over another version of themselves. It's really inconsistent character writing, because they voiced their concerns about it several times (like the first SHIFT into C Team that just rolled all 1s) and determined they needed to do it to save everyone. Then they talk about how they shouldn't gently caress over other versions of themselves for their own selfish needs, ignoring that loving over other timelines is basically the baseline of every character's plan in these games. More than in the other two games, ZTD had a lot of issues like this, where characters would do and say things that didn't mesh well with their developed character up to that point. Then it would just be kinda ignored, and only so much of it can be explained away by ~mind hacking~
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Also I'm too busy to go back and start going through the scenes again with all the new info I got but, since Q was delta the whole time why was Sean the one hitting all the buttons and making all the decisions? I know that Delta was the one actually choosing all of the decision branches in all the scenarios, but it seemed to imply the only reason Mira and Eric let Sean do things like the execution vote was because he was the team leader, when he obviously isn't. When you go back and rewatch these scenes, Sean is not the one making the decisions, but it's made to look that way. For instance, during the execution vote it's actually clear that Mira and Eric are NOT talking to Sean, but are talking to someone else.
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A good foreshadowing thing to Delta's motives is when the Q team has to decide between the poisons. 100% for sure death is the terrorist 75% is Zero's Radical-6 They cancel each other out
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Vaguido posted:Every time the characters SHIFT they're loving over another version of themselves. It's really inconsistent character writing, because they voiced their concerns about it several times (like the first SHIFT into C Team that just rolled all 1s) and determined they needed to do it to save everyone. Then they talk about how they shouldn't gently caress over other versions of themselves for their own selfish needs, ignoring that loving over other timelines is basically the baseline of every character's plan in these games. This was the point! Delta was telling them that they should think seriously about what they were doing when they SHIFT, because they weren't considering the actual implications of what they were doing.
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Regy Rusty posted:One of the death passwords was Quark yes, but it was in connection to Junpei. It was just a nod towards their connection in VLR. I know Dad is in there with sigma (or at least I think I remember that) because I was so confused for a while and went "oh it's either A. a joke on the sigmadad thing or B. him acting like a dad to phi and the rest of the people during VLR" Welp. Edit: oh right, Carlos has HERO and Junpei has HATE for the post-monty hall room I think.
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Thinking more about the ending I think the new characters blow Carlos is alright after his shifting shenanigans but he's still pretty boring. Mira's boring, Eric's boring. Sean is OK.
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Carlos is powerfully American and strong. Sean is perfect.
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NJ Deac posted:This may be just me forgetting a plot point because I played this part way too late in the evening, but in the twins ending where Sigma and Diana are stranded (execute Q -> incinerate phi -> Monty hall -> teleporter room), Akane escapes, right? At that point, she should still know Sigma and Diana are alive and trapped. Is there any reason she wouldn't send help other than the fact that she is kind of a dick? Presumably she was injected with the memory drugs again and forgot
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So if it turns out that Delta/Brother never really had a little brother, does that mean that Left is based off of Sean, and thus Dio is an extended clone of Sean?
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My notes also have FUTURE as a password for post-incinerator Phi. Assuming that wasn't some kind of fever dream it's noteworthy because the console only accepts five letter passwords.voltcatfish posted:Thinking more about the ending I think the new characters blow I think Carlos' problem is that we never get a chance to get to know him like we did Junpei and Sigma. Partly because screen time is split up between three protagonists, partly because we don't get any of his internal monologue or narration. Because of that he's much less identifiable than they are. Sean avoids that a little by speaking most of his internal monologue aloud. Arrrthritis posted:So if it turns out that Delta/Brother never really had a little brother, does that mean that Left is based off of Sean, and thus Dio is an extended clone of Sean? Delta had an adopted brother in 1904, Left is based on him. Don't ask me who Y is, though.
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Delving into the realms of wild speculation and double posting: Why did Delta make himself a part of the Nonary game? The closest thing we're given to an explanation is a predestination paradox, the same reason Akane had to be part of the game in VLR, but that's not terribly satisfying. As a possible alternative, let's think about why Nonary games exist: every Nonary game to date has been an attempt to awaken SHIFT abilities in the participants. We know that Delta can't SHIFT and that he's jealous of those who can; is it possible that one of his goals for this game was to awaken SHIFT abilities within himself? If so that explains why he would repeatedly put himself in mortal danger. Obviously he's not successful, of course.
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I didn't know there was a spoiler thread! I wish I started posting in here earlier. As an aside, I have been collecting a list of all the hints to Q's actual identity on reddit, and I thought I'd post what I've collected so far here. quote:1) Literal shadows from Delta in most Q team scenes (here are the shadows from Pop-off, for example). MegaZeroX fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Oh thank god we have a spoiler thread
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So has anyone tried playing the PC version on an ultrawide monitor? I wonder if the developers bothered to test whether you could see the wheelchair on different aspect ratios.
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I'm a monster.
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MegaZeroX posted:As an aside, I have been collecting a list of all the hints to Q's actual identity on reddit, and I thought I'd post what I've collected so far here. A few of these, like #13, are really hints that Zero is Delta rather than hints that Q is not Sean, which are two very different mysteries. Certainly when I got to "Who is Zero?" I knew full well that Zero was Delta, but I had no idea Delta was Q; in fact I was almost certain that Delta was Eric and that he had messed with his own memories to provide a cover story.
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MegaZeroX posted:I'm a monster. I did the same thing trying to find the third answer
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