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ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

FredMSloniker posted:

Those rear end in a top hat seahorses are a pain, yes. I can't confidently say it's the absolute worst level, though; it's a contender, but so are Sandopolis Zone Act 2, Labyrinth Zone Act 2, Sky Chase Zone (mainly because it's booooring), most of the Sonic CD levels (no flow at all)...

Ironic that they would mesh two of the worst Zones in the series into an at-least-bearable iteration here. And yeah, agreed on pretty much all fronts on the list above, all of those are pretty weaksauce.

Cassa posted:

I would play Baby Andy Knuckles and Friends.

Baby Andrew Knuckles is my spirit animal, he's too pure for this world. Whenever the world is tough, I just remember, "Hey. Baby Andrew Knuckles is tougher. Be like Baby Andrew Knuckles."

And with that, I believe it's time to see the first of our "two" "endings". Surely getting all the Chaos Emeralds will reward us with a phenomenal surprise!

Part 11: "Mitey & Raby" | Metallic Madness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETCmRo6J_KM

Part 12: "Kalinske Called It" | Titanic Monarch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ing54N8loBI

Part 13: "Kill Among Gerald" | Special Stage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZB-wCXPNj0

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ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Hey uh, maybe let's not try leading conversations that could get someone in legit, actual legal trouble, cool? Cool. Looking at you, John.

Also, hey, we found a really loving bizarre sound bug, check out Part 16, it's... spooky.

Part 14: "Let's Stop Talking About Happy Endings" | Special Stage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-YyfEQ53PA

Part 15: "Four Thumbs and No Tails" | Special Stage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZQn9xy7xas

Part 16: "The Day the Music Died" | Special Stage, Titanic Monarch Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooiHWLCvhHc

RearmingStrafbomber
Jan 29, 2009

1-1-2029, tonight the stars are shining bright
That ending to Sonic Mania Plus was treasure.

And we march on to Advance 2. You can bail without the good ending, I won't blame any of you.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


I don't know what I'm looking forward too more, Sonic 06 or Secret Rings. There's a serious argument to be made that the latter is worse.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

SSNeoman posted:

I don't know what I'm looking forward too more, Sonic 06 or Secret Rings. There's a serious argument to be made that the latter is worse.

I haven't played either in over a decade now, but I still find it hard not to look at the former as worse. Maybe because the expectations with '06 were so much higher? Maybe because Secret Rings is so boring and baseline disappointing that it's hard to feel as insulted over its foibles as it is with '06?

We will get there eventually, but it might take us a while...

That said, holy poo poo we're back, we took a couple unexpected weeks off, but let's clear out Sonic Mania Plus so we can continue.

Part 17: "Plus Minus" | Titanic Monarch Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyT5XHVo-HQ

"Friendship: The Final Boss Battle" | Competition Mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef1tUcGmv2s

RearmingStrafbomber posted:

That ending to Sonic Mania Plus was treasure.

And we march on to Advance 2. You can bail without the good ending, I won't blame any of you.

I am... astonished at the notion that Encore Mode actually has less of an ending than Mania Mode. I don't know what to think about it all. BUT ALAS, WE CARRY ON WITH SONIC ADVANCE 2!

Part 1: "I Deserve What I Get" | Leaf Forest Zone, Hot Crater Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9thXLq4vOmQ

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.

SSNeoman posted:

I don't know what I'm looking forward too more, Sonic 06 or Secret Rings. There's a serious argument to be made that the latter is worse.

I know I'm looking forward to Dark Brotherhood.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Mraagvpeine posted:

I know I'm looking forward to Dark Brotherhood.
*Screams in Midi*

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

Mraagvpeine posted:

I know I'm looking forward to Dark Brotherhood.

You know, it's funny. I've owned that game since it came out and never bothered to turn it on. I'm not sure what to expect there, it's definitely going to be eye-opening either way.

Part 2: "Whee: Fast Grinding Action" | Hot Crater Zone, Music Plant Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9MdvPFm41M

Part 3: "Grind Me Into a Pit" | Ice Paradise Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCjF9XgU3s0

Part 4: "The Second Track Record" | Hot Crater Zone, Music Plant Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWubsYE9B4g

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Okay, we need to finish rescuing our friends, and that means getting Knuckles out of a jam! ...hey. Hey, wait, are you driving that machine, Knuckles? AGAIN?

Part 5: "It's Not Christmas" | Ice Paradise Zone, Sky Canyon Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Cssq9FIwU

Part 6: "The First Result for Hat" | Techno Base Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bfnu2lzaCg

RearmingStrafbomber
Jan 29, 2009

1-1-2029, tonight the stars are shining bright
If you didn't like Chaotix, Advance 3 is gonna be extra fun.

Just some bright sunshine.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

RearmingStrafbomber posted:

If you didn't like Chaotix, Advance 3 is gonna be extra fun.

Why do you say things you know will hurt me? :(

At least we're getting through XX at long last. But it's far from last, and about to get a lot longer...

Part 7: "2250 Ford Harrison" | Techno Base Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al27Y5cbYrg

Part 8: "Three Times as Hard" | Egg Utopia Zone, XX Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeuoGtxVCgo

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
That's.. an inaccurate comparison, there's two people but you don't need to do any of the weird momentum things that you had to in chaotix, and holding down the R button will just summon your partner to your hands to do the team up move.

Personally I love Advance 3. But I also own a 32X so take that as you will.

RearmingStrafbomber
Jan 29, 2009

1-1-2029, tonight the stars are shining bright
Shoutout to the terribly placed spikeballbird what's blocked Rick on every pass through Techno Base 1. We might become friends with it if we do try to Good End this.

Advance 1 is pretty straightforward 3&K. Advance 2 gets Sonic CD and keeps throwing the player backwards and into blind enemies/spikes. Advance 3 levels are more vertically oriented, have relatively few enemies or spikes, are generally half vacant, and just entering the levels is kinda Chaotix weird, there's no automatic progression. Plus with the partner mechanic, I really think Dimps looked at Chaotix and said 'yes, this is the game we want to copy'.

Anyway, love what you want to love!

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Kurieg posted:

That's.. an inaccurate comparison, there's two people but you don't need to do any of the weird momentum things that you had to in chaotix, and holding down the R button will just summon your partner to your hands to do the team up move.

Personally I love Advance 3. But I also own a 32X so take that as you will.

Yeah, it's more like the concept of Tails following you in Sonic 2/3K/Mania only there's more options and different partners available to you.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
So hey, is everyone ready for me to try and relay a pretty cool story about our surprisingly popular Mega Man: Fully Charged commentary series only to continuously get distracted and talk about the inevitability of change and the notion of the fear of getting old and losing your touch? ME NEITHER, let's do it.

Part 9: "Retired Boynik" | Leaf Forest Zone, Hot Crater Zone, Music Plant Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDWGAbcF9RU

Part 10: "That's Just How Things Go" | Ice Paradise Zone, Sky Canyon Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htHb5Zq7IDg

Part 11: "The Actual Point of the drat Thing" | Techno Base Zone, Egg Utopia Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-19VnsNrIU

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
I'm trying to imagine just how many AA batteries you'd have to burn through to have a reasonable chance at 100%ing this game. We're not even going for Amy Rose, but beating the game four times all on its own is an increasingly painful endeavor. Then getting the Chaos Emeralds on top of that... just god, no.

Anyway, let's clear the game with Tails and move on to Knuckles!

Part 12: "Passed with Flying Colors" | Egg Utopia Zone, XX Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cJK0Xg9okw

Part 13: "Rivet Shoes and a Bleached rear end in a top hat" | Leaf Forest Zone, Hot Crater Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmJaamyTtyQ

Part 14: "Oh No, It's the Wheel" | Hot Crater Zone, Music Plant Zones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9CHaZS7w4

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
So hey, the ride to Mega Man 11's release kept me a little distracted, let's get this thread back on track! And first up, that means finishing off Knuckles' run through the game, complete with a more... inventive way of beating the final boss...

Part 15: "The Future of the Franchise" | Music Plant Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DedCBqi_5iQ

Part 16: "Uncomfortable Grinding Post" | Ice Paradise Zone, Sky Canyon Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH6o4fUfoEY

Part 17: "This Is My Nightmare" | Techno Base Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xaZU-jd5EM

Part 18: "Now I'm Erotic for You" | Egg Utopia Zone, XX Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWuFMd9EMao

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Hey if it works, it works!

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

SSNeoman posted:

Hey if it works, it works!

Yeah, you're not gonna hear me complaining. Hell, Cream's available tactics are just... visibly loving cheating, but at this point, I welcome anything that gets us through this faster.

Part 19: "Cheesing the Boss" | Ice Paradise Zone, Sky Canyon Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHiX-fVXWMM

Part 20: "Significantly Worse" | Techno Base Zone, Egg Utopia Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZWfXmmMY8I

Part 21: "He Can't Shake Hands" | Egg Utopia Zone, XX Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLoJofcSDdA

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
We all knew this was coming. It's time to start hunting for the Chaos Emeralds. May god have mercy on my soul and the souls of any unfortunate ones who tried to accomplish this without a guide back in 2002.

Part 22: "Gotta Backtrack Here" | Leaf Forest Zone, Special Stage 1, Hot Crater Zone, Special Stage 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsFLgnbsdrk

Part 23: "You Just Get the Chaos Emeralds" | Music Plant Zone, Special Stage 3, Ice Paradise Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULjeRFWHmNs

Part 24: "Any Sort of Flow Whatsoever" | Ice Paradise Zone, Special Stage 4, Sky Canyon Zone, Special Stage 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22hgRl8fFuA

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
And as the cherry on top: apparently the developers decided to indicate in no loving way that you had unlocked anything at all by collecting all seven Chaos Emeralds with Sonic. You have to decide, after going through all of that, to play as Sonic again, and go to the Stage Select screen to see anything at all. Jesus christ.

Part 25: "It's Gonna Be Bad" | Techno Base Zone, Special Stage 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lJ_cOJ64-k

Part 26: "Coming Right Up My rear end" | Egg Utopia Zone, Special Stage 7, XX Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFczM45rvI4

Part 27: "A Giant Chameleon Dick" | True Area 53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dknxXk1Z3U8

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Y'ALL READY FOR SOME PINBALL?

Part 1: "This Is Already Different" | Toxic Pools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoBHg77CdJU

ricdesi fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Oct 25, 2018

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


BTW for ZX I just took Omega down with ZX's charge shots. You basically HAVE to dash side to side because otherwise the rear end in a top hat constantly heals. Of course if you have Model X then it's even more ez pz.

The real challenge is getting back to the ship afterwards. Those blocks aren't designed to go backwards :shepicide:

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Alright alright, so I may have misled people slightly by loosely implying that we'd be playing Sonic Pinball Party next (what with it being the next game released in the franchise and all), but the timing was perfect to swing back around and pick up a game we missed along the road, the 8-bit version of Sonic Spinball! Thankfully, things seem to be moving SUBSTANTIALLY quicker this time around...

Part 2: "This Is Like Heaven for Sonic" | Lava Powerhouse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feholr__ViA

Part 3: "XX-XX-71" | The Machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWNJ7DzEIjQ

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
You know, I gotta be honest, I would NEVER have guessed we'd get through Sonic Spinball for the Game Gear this quickly. I mean, the Genesis version took us, what, 11 episodes? Blissfully short, this one. So short, in fact, that we even snuck in a little something extra to lean into the upcoming Sonic Pinball Party!

Part 4: "Mo' Mentum, Mo' Problems" | Final Showdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lI8KTeppWg

Tiny Chao Garden: "Clearly the Superior Animal Crossing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHcDeFpCcoc

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
So this past weekend, Sarah and I participated in our very first Extra Life with a 25-hour 100% run of Super Mario Odyssey (though after a power outage at 3:30 in the afternoon, we decided a slightly simpler 999-Power Moon run would be more reasonable) and I'm still coming down from it. Ironically, just prior to that, our next Sonic game was a very special race between C/J and I in Sonic the Hedgehog 2 to celebrate 500 videos in the Super Sonic Let's Play! C/J is aiming just to beat Dr. Robotnik, while I'm looking to grab all seven Chaos Emeralds (as Tails) and completing the game.

Sonic the Hedgehog 2 VS: "Chef's Kiss Amazing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi1kyx4Zem8

We initially posted this run in separate episode parts (which if you so desire, you can see here: 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5), but ultimately the full run is the "real" 500th episode here.

Also, upon reaching the end of the game, I realized that our run may very well have actually turned out faster than our VS match of Sonic the Hedgehog back in 2014... so I made a very ugly video to run them side-by-side for all you disgusting masochists out there.

Sonic the Hedgehog VS vs. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 VS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQ53KhICsw

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Did you record the Odyssey extralife locally? The Twitch VOD is extremely choppy.

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.
What encoding did you use on the Sonic Spinball 8-bit videos? The pixels have this weird bright edge around them that's kind of distracting. I suspect you used bicubic interpolation; when you're scaling things up, you want to use bilinear, or nearest neighbor if you're scaling to an exact multiple.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

Kurieg posted:

Did you record the Odyssey extralife locally? The Twitch VOD is extremely choppy.

I didn't :( Unfortunately, shortly after the stream, while looking over our stream settings to see if there were ways to tighten things up in the future, it seems at some point our settings were reset to 1mbps, which absolutely caused the bulk of the stream quality issues. Last week, I streamed at 3mbps to see how that performed, and it did great, so I'll be messing with that more going forward, but unfortunately (along with many other technical hiccups), there's not much I can do about the SMO VOD.

FredMSloniker posted:

What encoding did you use on the Sonic Spinball 8-bit videos? The pixels have this weird bright edge around them that's kind of distracting. I suspect you used bicubic interpolation; when you're scaling things up, you want to use bilinear, or nearest neighbor if you're scaling to an exact multiple.

The only expansion being done to the Spinball videos is scaling it up 1.5x, as the RetroN records at 720p instead of 1080p. Unfortunately, Adobe Premiere Pro only allows for bicubic expansion -- After Effects can do Nearest Neighbor (which would look awkward at 1.5x) and Bilinear, but unfortunately it would blow up the editing time to such an extreme that we would be more or less unable to keep any sort of pace with an upload schedule :\

I guarantee I can show you a pinball game that's far more distracting though... this is, at long last, Sonic Pinball Party.

Part 1: "Ten Million Points" | vs. Knuckles: Neo Green Hill Zone / vs. Tails: Casino Paradise Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De5HgUQhhBE

Part 2: "It's So Disrespectful" | vs. Tails: Casino Paradise Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l_MH4O88ho

Part 3: "Killing It So Far" | vs. Tails: Casino Paradise Zone, Ice Mountain Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEkDxjF4jaw

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Alright, it feels like we're starting to get a bit of a groove, and—wait, is this NiGHTS into Dreams...?

Part 4: "The Dark Souls of Pinball" | vs. Tails: Casino Paradise Zone, Ice Mountain Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18y6JAVaS0U

Part 5: "Slapshotting My Own Balls" | vs. Amy: Spring Valley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyrC-lPZZaQ

Part 6: "Fight Egg" | vs. Metal Sonic: Neo Green Hill Zone, Secret Base Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwf1IjtDfaQ

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Ah yes. The hazing ritual for Geoff is now complete.

Part 7: "My Goofy Bumper" | vs. Metal Sonic: Neo Green Hill Zone, Secret Base Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9arRASDk_0

Part 8: "Quickly Sonic Jogging" | vs. Metal Sonic: Neo Green Hill Zone, Secret Base Zone, Casino Paradise Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Rp3kFBecY

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.
So is Geoff going to show up more often, or did he just drop in for the day?

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
We've been trying to get him on for a while, I do believe Geoff is here to stay :)

And since it's Thanksgiving, why not relive the olden days with a few new D-Pad + Chills of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog?

Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Episode 23: "Grounder the Genius"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjFAbRRWnoA

Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Episode 24: "Tails in Charge"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztZGSTulJlE

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
And back to mad we go! So apparently there's actually a run of this on Speedrun.com with the loving obscene time of 29:30. We've been at this for hours and we're not even past the fourth stage. And we're pretty blatantly cheating, too. Holy hell.

Part 9: "Sonic the Hugehog" | vs. Metal Sonic: Casino Paradise Zone, Ice Mountain Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKQrEAt5NSc

Part 10: "The Return of Stuggy Mack" | vs. Metal Sonic: Ice Mountain Zone, Angel Island Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DctZ0q6BmNU

Part 11: "Oh No, He's Got Ringloop" | vs. Metal Sonic: Angel Island Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx5mHjDZ92Q

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
I think we're losing our minds. I think we're losing our minds. What is fun? What is pinball? Is pinball a religion now?

Part 12: "Puncture Your Balls Acutely" | vs. Metal Sonic: Angel Island Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reRFr04GEFg

Part 13: "The Elevator of Hell" | vs. Metal Sonic: Angel Island Zone, Egg Rocket Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSf3lHdV0I

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
SWEET GOD, I think we're finally out of the water, Metal Sonic is DONE-ZO.

...so of course there's a "real" final stage. And it's loving impossible. 30 million points in 5 minutes. End me. Right here, right now, beat me to death with a fistful of pinballs.

Part 14: "gently caress You, Bonus" | vs. Metal Sonic: Egg Rocket Zone / vs. Eggman: Neo Green Hill Zone, Secret Base Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98o8AYJ2bsQ

Part 15: "Bang It Right Into the Feature Hole" | vs. Eggman: Neo Green Hill Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lsbbzh5J9U

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Sonic pinball looks poo poo mate

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

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Namtab posted:

Sonic pinball looks poo poo mate

I think you may be onto something. 🤔

Part 16: "Your Favorite Son, Geoff" | vs. Eggman: Neo Green Hill Zone, Secret Base Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2d3Rc2Rz5w

Part 17: "Yes, There Is Enough Time" | vs. Eggman: Casino Paradise Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh_6d4ZYbdY

Part 18: "I Didn't Like Where It Was Going" | vs. Eggman: Casino Paradise Zone / Samba de Amigo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh2JP5VgUz0

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Alright, so before we move on, there's... ONE more thing we need to go find. The fabled Moon Zone.

Part 19: "Seventy-Eight, Seventy-Eight" | Arcade Mode: Neo Green Hill Zone, Secret Base Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZ5_TF1yD4

Part 20: "Fun Me in the Business" | Arcade Mode: Secret Base Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgrXHfuyA_g

Part 21: "Super Bullshit Ultimate" | Arcade Mode: Secret Base Zone, Casino Paradise Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BtOosV3fBU

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ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
As we're zeroing in on the fabled Moon Zone, I have to wonder if we missed something... or if maybe the (already scarce) walkthroughs on the game are missing something instead.

Part 22: "Leukemic Beginning" | Arcade Mode: Casino Paradise Zone, Ice Mountain Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS5ZfwZfNew

Part 23: "Unless You've Collected gently caress" | Arcade Mode: Angel Island Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFhmvL3e1L0

Part 24: "The Salmon Count" | Arcade Mode: Egg Rocket Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2zFLq6tL-k

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