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ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

Dresh posted:

I"m not sure if you've started recording the Last story yet or not, but hearing you talk in episode 15 about the power ups you missed I'd say the only one you should really worry about Knuckles' item in Aquatic Mine. Otherwise you may find yourselves missing those halcyon days of Crazy Gadget being the most difficult level.

We have not yet! Considering it, though part of me is also debating letting us suffer and try to make it work, 'cause why the gently caress not. WE DESERVE THIS PAIN.

Part 13: "Space Is Nice for Hedgehogs" | vs. Dr. Eggman, Final Rush, vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4X3z3C_lEY

And of course, now that Hero Side Story is over, it's time to flip the script and jump into the Dark Side Story! Which... seems to have way more egregious gaps in its storyline, but hey, 2001 was a different time.

Part 14: "I Am the D.K." | Iron Gate, vs. B-3x HOT SHOT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ygixz7uGRQ

Part 15: "Death Chamber, Death Chamber, Death Chamber" | Dry Lagoon, Sand Ocean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDkrqVGjQkk

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ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Holy poo poo, John is finally back with us! Only took bitching about him for a couple hours, but he made it.

Part 16: "Drink Rings for Good Bones" | Radical Highway, Egg Quarters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HU6GPF7oGM

Part 17: "The Ticket Problem" | Lost Colony, Weapons Bed, vs. Tails, Security Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0C37R3lkQM

Part 18: "With Her Prehensile Boobs" | Security Hall, White Jungle, vs. Sonic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GfpbZPa6_A

Gonna get us caught up later this afternoon, and uh... today's new video is one you won't want to miss.

Dr. Bones
Nov 4, 2005

Private First Class in Blankman's Boot Camp of Goonery


Out of curiosity, because I also love the Duane and Brand0 Sonic, I Googled to see if anyone wrote the lyrics up.

Turns out it has its own Genius lyrics write-up, which is as thorough and spergy as they always are.

Knuckles' Rap is still really good:
code:
'Sup little bitches, yo, my name is Knuckles
And I ain't coming to this place here for shits and chuckles
So take a step back unless you wanna get knocked
'Cause I'm a bad motherfucker with some wicked dreadlocks
So I'm looking at you, Sonic, 'cause you think that you're fast
But if you go round for round, then you're never gonna last
'Cause your rhymes are old, bro, I think it's a no-go
You sound kinda lovely like Duane and BrandO

But that's how it goes, so don't get me pissed
I've got some big-rear end hands with some spikes on my fist
And I fly through the air with the greatest of ease
I'm gonna get a 1-up busting up some TVs
Bitch, please! I'll put your rear end on disability
Then pimp smack your rear end, take away your credibility
Wait, I gotta turn it around
We gotta find Robotnik and pound his rear end to the ground
Now we're coming for you and we're going straight through
Right to your HQ, got my nigga in blue
(And he's fast too!)
(He is? Who?)
Man, I told you!
Get drunk with Sonic and gently caress up Robotnik!

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Agreed, the rest of the Sonic rap is kinda hit or miss (I dropped a reference to it both in 2011 and 2016 when we got to Final Zone in those respective LPs, I think they're even titled "I'm Not Listening, Motherfucker!" and "Still Not Listening, Motherfucker!"), but the Knuckles verse is straight fire. The next bit from the Sonic 2 Special Stage is pretty great too, mm mm. I think it drops a Faith No More lyric in the mix, too.

And as for the weird poo poo we got ourselves into...

Part 19: "I've Got Chubs for You" | Route 280, Sky Rail, vs. Egg Golem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=139P3EMXZ1o

Part 20: "A Movie About Fishfucking" | Mad Space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx0N484TpFw

Part 21: "Talking Over Other Lasers" | vs. Rouge the Bat, Cosmic Wall, Test Level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AthIlYqlu8Q

Sidebar, this thread is almost two years old, holy poo poo.

Dr. Bones
Nov 4, 2005

Private First Class in Blankman's Boot Camp of Goonery


Holy poo poo, I was not expecting you guys to get dropped into a debug level/test environment. That's insane. Any idea what happened there?

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
They grabbed the chao key while the game was trying to despawn it due to it's distance from the camera. Which is why it stayed as the 3d model at the top of the screen rather than a chao head sprite. Then when they beat the game it tried to send them to the Chao garden but they didn't actually have the key so it sent them to levelid 0.

Dresh
Jun 15, 2008

hrmph.
Another interesting point is that the test stage is not on the Dreamcast disc. It's only present in the data for Battle which was used as the basis for all future ports.

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



Kurieg posted:

They grabbed the chao key while the game was trying to despawn it due to it's distance from the camera. Which is why it stayed as the 3d model at the top of the screen rather than a chao head sprite. Then when they beat the game it tried to send them to the Chao garden but they didn't actually have the key so it sent them to levelid 0.

I'd love to see the source code to understand how something this dumb can happen.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Seriously, it's stunning to me that the game A) has a maximum distance from the camera where an object that is about to change can originate from, and B) the next level flag is triggered correctly only when said object changes, and breaks down completely when it doesn't. Why they don't just have a single value that changes the moment you pick up the Chao Key, regardless of its visual appearance in the display, is completely beyond me.

That said, I'm super pumped we got to stumble our dumb asses into the Test Level like that, never in a thousand years did I think we'd manage to do that accidentally with... well, any game. So uh, hey, let's finish off this storyline then, yeah?

Part 22: "The Third-and-a-Halfth Wall" | Test Level, vs. Tails, Final Chase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbbr0ElbvDU

Part 23: "The Run and Fight Thing" | vs. Sonic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmXJW5WgK3k

And that's it for the Dark Side Story! Just a little further to go to clear the final chunk and put Sonic Adventure 2 to rest.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Dzhay posted:

I'd love to see the source code to understand how something this dumb can happen.

I have no idea how it happens, I just know that is what is happening, it's also much more common in the HD Version since the camera is futher away in the 16:9 releases. The other reliable ways of doing it involve getting the flying camera stuck on an object and landing on the key blind.

The PC Version the "fixed" the problem by having you redirected to the chao garden whenever you try to enter the test level.

Thunderfinger
Jan 15, 2011

In the latest video, it was Wanted you were thinking of.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

Thunderfinger posted:

In the latest video, it was Wanted you were thinking of.

IT WAS. Thank you!!

Okay, so we've had a little bit of time away from Sonic thanks to a bit of a side trip that we'll be getting into on Saturday, but in the meantime, let's round out this second Sonic adventure. But first... sigh... we're gonna have to go back and get the Air Necklace after all.

Part 24: "Continue Screaming" | Cannon's Core, Aquatic Mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVBTCGPnjS4

Part 25: "Suedo the Hedgehog" | vs. The Biolizard, vs. The Finalhazard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFH1TVRHUto

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
By sheer dumb luck, we wound up taking a little while longer than normal to get to the third episode of Sonic Mania Adventures due to John being out of the state when it landed, and the fourth episode wound up being only three weeks later instead of the usual four to five (it seems they're shooting to put the last two out earlier so the whole series is complete in time for Sonic Mania Plus).

So hey, two new D-Pad + Chill episodes!

Part 3: "& Knuckles"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNOYDWDZL2E

Part 4: "Mighty and Ray"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc5U8pm93nI

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


drat so close to Sonic 06. SO CLOSE :unsmigghh:

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



There're still a few of the GBA sanics to get through first, I think.

Dresh
Jun 15, 2008

hrmph.
Ah yes, now that we've seen Biolizard I can finally share this

https://twitter.com/SPEEPSHighway/status/995795163388809217


Also relevant as of today;

https://twitter.com/SPEEPSHighway/status/1010317985934987264

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

Dresh posted:

Ah yes, now that we've seen Biolizard I can finally share this

https://twitter.com/SPEEPSHighway/status/995795163388809217

oh no. oh noooooo no no. GYAHHHHHHHHH


:toot: :toot: :toot:

A bit late to match up with the big birthday, but better late than never! We could hardly finish Sonic Adventure 2 and move on without addressing the big orange elephant in the room: the collapse of the Dreamcast and the retirement of SEGA from the console hardware industry. But how far back does SEGA's misfortune go, and what if the Dreamcast was one of the only things SEGA did right?

Downward Spiral: A Brief History of SEGA's Console War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNquEJXs4_U

Happy 27th birthday to Sonic, happy 7th birthday to our channel, and happy 2nd birthday to The Super Sonic Let's Play (and this thread)!

Oh, and while we were out at E3...

Team Sonic Racing E3 Demo: "Powerful, Even By My Standards"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4xRzvvZnZE

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Ninja edit: It has come to my attention that I never posted our... honestly, pretty loving awful attempt at playing Chao Adventure 2 in here.

Chao Adventure 2: "Limited Stamina"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd8huOHOKtA

I'm very sorry for all of us now.

And with THAT out of the way, we can move onto Sonic's cross-platform romps in the 21st century! Starting with one of my favorite games as a kid (despite its... rather shallow gameplay and almost zero replay value), Sonic Advance!

Part 1: "I Liked a Thing" | Neo Green Hill Zone, Secret Base Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW01OWyDfvw

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
So with Sonic Advance finally underway, it hits me again (like it did in 2001) just how much it feels like a soft reboot of the original Genesis game. Six Zones, collect the Chaos Emeralds, beat Dr. Robotnik... a few QOL updates (like saving Chaos Emeralds across playthroughs), but the spirit of the original seems alive and well here.

Part 2: "Little Young to Be Kicking rear end" | Casino Paradise Zone, Ice Mountain Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkZ6FfwOidQ

Part 3: "None of Us Are from California" | Angel Island Zone // Neo Green Hill Zone, Secret Base Zone, Casino Paradise Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N765hFMjfSQ

Dr. Bones
Nov 4, 2005

Private First Class in Blankman's Boot Camp of Goonery


Dang, that uh.. got kinda dark there, at the end.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

Dr. Bones posted:

Dang, that uh.. got kinda dark there, at the end.

Seems to be a bit of a running theme lately, I think the heat wave is crushing everybody more than a little bit... Speaking of which, jesus it is still hot as poo poo and I literally have three fans and an A/C keeping me from melting into a pile of probably not very good-smelling slop.

In other news, THE GBA WAS FUN, RIGHT GUYS?

Part 4: "If It's Not Gonna Matter" | Ice Mountain Zone, Angel Island Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHGWPKtl63w

Part 5: "Almost Probably" | Neo Green Hill Zone, Secret Base Zone, Casino Paradise Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6hXZyTz2vk

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
I gotta say, thank christ this game doesn't require you to get the Chaos Emeralds all in one go like you did in Sonic 1 and 2, because even just finding some of these Springs is a total nightmare...

Part 6: "Bleeding from the Front" | Casino Paradise Zone, Ice Mountain Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhfOsmR4GvY

Part 7: "Is It Nice or Is It gently caress You?" | Ice Mountain Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86p1PTaOEd0

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

ricdesi posted:

I gotta say, thank christ this game doesn't require you to get the Chaos Emeralds all in one go like you did in Sonic 1 and 2, because even just finding some of these Springs is a total nightmare...

A voice echoes in the distance.

Sonic advance three Chao keys.....

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

Kurieg posted:

A voice echoes in the distance.

Sonic advance three Chao keys.....

But why, papa???

Part 8: "Macaroni and Cheese Hill Zone" | Angel Island Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji50SifMTOI

Part 9: "I Don't Give a poo poo About Shiloh" | Egg Rocket Zone, Cosmic Angel Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpZ2N8_hYKY

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

ricdesi posted:

But why, papa???

Because even though I love literally everything else about that game, including the special stages themselves. Actually unlocking them is a chore beyond measure.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Alrighty, so we've got all seven Chaos Emeralds, and those are retained across playthroughs, so that's one requirement for the final Zone down. The other... is to beat the game with all four characters. So let's scratch two off the list.

Part 10: "Please Do Cocaine" | Cosmic Angel Zone, X-Zone / Angel Island Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Eo4Hnrwttw

Part 11: "Up There in the Ocean" | Angel Island Zone, Egg Rocket Zone, Cosmic Angel Zone, X-Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87BN7CVJtaw

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



Man, this game seems much better now that I can actually see it.

RearmingStrafbomber
Jan 29, 2009

1-1-2029, tonight the stars are shining bright
Advance 1 is some pretty looking technical jank on the level of Sonic Blast. Like everything that Blast did wrong, this replicates, down to the broken springs.

And it's maybe the best of the Advance series. Kind of a primer on what Dimps will go on to make. God speed.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Oh, it's gonna get real weird in no time flat. I keep forgetting that they were responsible for Sonic 4. God save us.

There's something kind of endearing and neat in Amy's play style, if the levels were designed a bit closer to the Genesis ones in terms of multiple paths that are easier/harder based on selected character, there could have been a lot of room to explore making the characters "pop" a bit more. A fun trip but a little more shallow than I would have liked.

Part 12: "More Disappointing Than Sonic '06" | Neo Green Hill Zone, Secret Base Zone, Casino Paradise Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0RpBrb4T48

Part 13: "Mario & Sonic at the Acrobatic Games" | Ice Mountain Zone, Angel Island Zone, Egg Rocket Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbJtu_UAOi0

Part 14: "Cuckolds the Echidna" | Egg Rocket Zone, Cosmic Angel Zone, X-Zone // Angel Island Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRppYFGw62g

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
You mentioned in one of the videos that the special stages in Advance 3 were bad. They're not really, they're more or less the advance 1 special stages from a different perspective. It's getting to the special stages that's the problem.

Also I believe you were looking for This

Kurieg fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jul 19, 2018

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

Kurieg posted:

Also I believe you were looking for This

That's the one! And it does appear to be made be the same studio that brought us Eddie Lebron's renditions of Mega Man and Sonic.

And in the final, brief "gently caress you", you have to beat X-Zone as Sonic once before you can beat X-Zone again to get to Moon Zone. Come on, game.

Part 15: "Flipadoodle the Clown" | Egg Rocket Zone, Cosmic Angel Zone, X-Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWh6Cm7Y8fQ

Part 16" "Corpse Re-Entry Burn" | X-Zone, Moon Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekrkKLc1JS0

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
As is becoming tradition on the channel, a whole bunch of games are changing over at the same time, and the Super Sonic Let's Play is no exception!

So first off, we get to see the stunning conclusion of Sonic Mania Adventures...

Part 5: "Metal Mayhem"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7BAkdq6NmY

...and then we get to jump back into familiar territory with some new add-ons with Sonic Adventure 2 Battle! Wait, what?

Sonic Adventure 2 Battle: "I Don't Remember the Gravity Zone" | Battle Mode, Chao Karate, Green Hill Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9cdEMMxfo

And after that little tease, we finally begin our journey through space and time once again with Sonic Mania Plus:

Part 1: "Hangtime, Little Babies" | Angel Island Zone, Green Hill Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppJHFaQjGnQ

Dr. Bones
Nov 4, 2005

Private First Class in Blankman's Boot Camp of Goonery


A bit late, but isn't the missile metal Kunkles spits out in Sonic Adventure the same ones you have to hit in Studiopolis zone?

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
They're just big fat versions of the missiles Robotnik uses in Doomsday Zone in sonic 3, which is probably what Mania is referencing as well.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

Dr. Bones posted:

A bit late, but isn't the missile metal Kunkles spits out in Sonic Adventure the same ones you have to hit in Studiopolis zone?

Kurieg posted:

They're just big fat versions of the missiles Robotnik uses in Doomsday Zone in sonic 3, which is probably what Mania is referencing as well.

Huh. Didn't even think about that, but they definitely could be referencing the same thing. That's pretty neat! Speaking of which, let's get through Studiopolis and keep the hunt for Giant Rings going!

Part 2: "APALAUASA" | Chemical Plant Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1LuNz3I63c

Part 3: "A Few Too Many of These Funnel Things" | Studiopolis Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJV9wOz9ArU

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Hey, good news! We found the Giant Ring that apparently everybody uses while trying to deal with the horrifically abusive Special Stages in Encore Mode!

Part 4: "Shoulda Gone That Rings" | Flying Battery Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cSX4cjcue4

Part 5: "So Grateful to Not Be Nothing" | Press Garden Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWQdH_Lh-Z4

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
So we didn't manage to get a full week out, but we knocked out another quarter of the game in one go, and at long last we're starting to make some progress on these bastard Chaos Emeralds.

Part 6: "Expy Bros." | Stardust Speedway Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FfjVG6ZnhM

Part 7: "Leprosy the Armadillo" | HydroCity Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX8yCDpE3ds

Part 8: "Sonic, Who Is Basic" | Mirage Saloon Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5huwVkTZKlw

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Okay, real talk, guys. Is it just me, or is Oil Ocean Zone the absolute worst level out of the Genesis set of Sonic games? Every time I see it in Sonic 2, my heart falls out my rear end in a top hat and I have to clean the thing off before I can put it back in.

Part 9: "Getting Screwed by Sonic" | Oil Ocean Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ4wBI90Ee4

Part 10: "Peanut Butter Jelly and Milk" | Lava Reef Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aHe1VngRwc

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.

ricdesi posted:

Okay, real talk, guys. Is it just me, or is Oil Ocean Zone the absolute worst level out of the Genesis set of Sonic games?

Those rear end in a top hat seahorses are a pain, yes. I can't confidently say it's the absolute worst level, though; it's a contender, but so are Sandopolis Zone Act 2, Labyrinth Zone Act 2, Sky Chase Zone (mainly because it's booooring), most of the Sonic CD levels (no flow at all)...

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Cassa
Jan 29, 2009
I would play Baby Andy Knuckles and Friends.

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