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Pick posted:I always read this as the bureau of land management
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mr_cramalldees posted:There are two categories of people. Parts of BLM are directly addressing a very serious problem; communities like Ferguson are all over this country. In poor communities police are extremely aggressive and totally unaccountable. There are many local governments that use arbitrary and ridiculous laws to treat poor black people as an ATM machine. poo poo like Chicago paying out $500 million in police brutality settlements while simultaneously closing schools in poor neighborhoods due to lack of funds deserves attention and outrage and wouldn't get either if we just left it up to the media and elected Democrats. You gotta separate the Ferguson BLM from the MIzzou/Yale BLM because they aren't remotely the same thing. The people in Ferguson live their lives under attack from a deeply corrupt local government and police force. The kid that was on a hunger strike at Mizzou has a dad that makes $8 million a year. It's OK to laugh at the Mizzou kid but you have to sympathize with the victims of Ferguson P.D. because it;s pretty inhuman not to.
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City of Tampa posted:Parts of BLM are directly addressing a very serious problem; communities like Ferguson are all over this country. In poor communities police are extremely aggressive and totally unaccountable. There are many local governments that use arbitrary and ridiculous laws to treat poor black people as an ATM machine. I can agree with most of this. Essentially what I am saying is that the movement, regardless of its intention or origins, has been hijacked by people in category 2. This led to a majority of people not giving a poo poo about their grievances.
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City of Tampa posted:Parts of BLM are directly addressing a very serious problem; communities like Ferguson are all over this country. In poor communities police are extremely aggressive and totally unaccountable. There are many local governments that use arbitrary and ridiculous laws to treat poor black people as an ATM machine. This. the Mizzou BLM are bunch of angry tumblr rich kids who are pissed stupid poo poo and thin skinned as gently caress. Meanwhile the real BLM does hard work helping people get hosed over by bigotry and stupid. mr_cramalldees posted:I can agree with most of this. Essentially what I am saying is that the movement, regardless of its intention or origins, has been hijacked by people in category 2. This led to a majority of people not giving a poo poo about their grievances.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:That seems to happen with every movement/group now a days. right or left. the genuine concerns are pushed aside because bullshit parasites and opportunists or dumb zealots obsessed with word/thought purity. Welcome to America
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liberty is only protected through constant vigilance. it's easy to dismiss minority complaints as solved now that they've made so many gains in the past couple decades, but they still have legitimate grievances, though many would be solved through ameliorating wealth disparities. I do think think identity politics distracts from the more pressing issue of economic inequality
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Digital Fingers posted:This is the type of dude that shouldn't be allowed to post in GBS Hahahahaha
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Relin posted:liberty is only protected through constant vigilance. it's easy to dismiss minority complaints as solved now that they've made so many gains in the past couple decades, but they still have legitimate grievances, though many would be solved through ameliorating wealth disparities. I do think think identity politics distracts from the more pressing issue of economic inequality sadly we are kinda moving in the opposite direction on this, there is a distinct pushback and opposition to economic justice issues within the Clinton Democrats. poo poo, we even had (wealthy, evangelical Christian) BLM protesters disrupt Bernie's rally in Seattle a few months ago specifically to yell about his emphasis on economic issues the neoliberals have found a group of useful idiots in the Tumblr branch of BLM and they are exploiting them for all they are worth, and that is plenty enough reason for those of us on the real left to go out of our way to make the distinction between the Ferguson BLM and the Mizzou BLM. Defend the "real" BLM and don't be afraid to call out the rich neoliberal version of BLM. We can't let them steal the message from us because before you know it you'll be called a racist for giving a poo poo about the minimum wage or Social Security. The Clintons and their benefactors would love to get there.
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Told Two Times posted:You guys ever read about cointelpro? Where the FBI infiltrated the civil rights movements and attempted to sabotage them from within? City of Tampa posted:You gotta separate the Ferguson BLM from the MIzzou/Yale BLM because they aren't remotely the same thing. sometimes i think these groups want to fail
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The only war is class war. Any the only classes in Canada are Middle Class and deserving poor
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Ottawa BLM is already making noise about disrupting Pride. Ottawa, which has a nearly non-existent population of Black Canadians. There are lots of Somali, French African, and Caribbean immigrants, but those are all recent arrivals and have no connection to what's going on in the States or even historical issues in Black Canada.
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I'm starting a group called Goon Lives Matter. (GLM) GLM will function as a union of Goon individuals dedicated to protecting our forum liberties against power hungry mods and decadent shitposters. PM (= Private Message) me with a video of you twerking if you want to be listed as a senior member.
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Frosted Flake posted:Ottawa BLM is already making noise about disrupting Pride. disrupt parliament or something, although that puts them at risk for an asskicking and they're too chickenshit to be actual martyrs i bet that these whiners have no interaction whatsoever with first nation groups that actually bring awareness to the problem of oppression. they talk a big game about intersectionality but they don't actually care about putting it into practice
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It's like everything on the left these days. The movements we need to actually get closer to justice on various issues keeps getting overridden by the dumbest, loudest and most inane idiots. Consider these groups: BLM: A much needed group in areas where actual injustice and division occurs. It has turned into a directionless quasi-hate group seemingly bent on alienating it's own allies. Feminism: A group and ideology that is desperately needed around the world is now more concerned with wordplay, perceived privilege and any bad feelings about anything whatsoever. Combined with intersectionality, it has become completely neutered and a laughable parody of what it once was. LGBT: A significant minority that really needed both rights and respect has begun to gain those things in spades but must now bear the burden of being ideologically pure while absorbing every mentally ill person who believes that they are a cat, undefinable or something completely made-up altogether. While I'm not against inclusiveness, these people muddy the message and direction of the movement. see LGBTQIAP+ alphabet soup. Intersectionality or anti-racism: This is seemingly included in every group. Based on things that are true it has become a source of badges one can wear for 'opression-points'. Instead of empowering minorities with the knowledge of these possible disadvantages in terms of race relations, it turns them into victims of large, nebulous and invisible organizations like The Patriarchy, The System and the state of whiteness. There is no solution to the problems that plagues these groups except constantly apologizing for the sin of being born white or male or whatever. We used to be the side of facts and (kind of) justice and lately it's been a loving absolute joke, an embarrassing joke. The right is taking advantage of this and almost seeming more reasonable in many ways even though their ideas suck. I kind of blame the internet for providing these little bubbles for people like this to meet and fester.
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Tarkus posted:It's like everything on the left these days. The movements we need to actually get closer to justice on various issues keeps getting overridden by the dumbest, loudest and most inane idiots. Consider these groups: same
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there's an excellent leftist group in a brooklyn neighborhood that i used to live in that has a wide range of people involved. there are young, old, black (mostly west indian), white, and hispanic people. some have moved there a couple of years ago and others have lived there for decades. but the main difference between this group and the loud idiotic whiners in BLM etc. is that this one is focused on economic justice and neighborhood affordability, which affects everyone regardless of color, race, privilege, and so forth if they got bogged down in privilege and abstract poo poo like that, they'd get nothing done
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afeelgoodpoop posted:http://webmshare.com/play/jM36a thanks for the unsourced video of a high school playground fight in which the fat kid is yelling "freedom!!!! freedom!!!!"
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afeelgoodpoop posted:blm means chasing down every last white person that'll teach him the error of believing unpleasant stereotypes
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Tarkus posted:It's like everything on the left these days. The movements we need to actually get closer to justice on various issues keeps getting overridden by the dumbest, loudest and most inane idiots. Consider these groups: CBC radio had an interview with a pioneer in the feminist movement who has since distanced herself from it because it has been co-opted by various special interest groups who are only interested in being the victim. I can't find the interview online, but the gist of it was. The feminist guest realized that people on the extreme left, the ones who are the most vocal protesters, can't actually stand each other. They had a conference where they had something like 200 "feminists" and asked them to sort themselves into groups that would best allow them to address what they thought was the most important aspect of the feminist agenda. By the end of the conference the group of 200 had shattered into nearly as many groups. People initially divided into gay and straight feminists. Then they divided into gay/straight/minority feminists, then they divided again, and again. . . by the end the groups had managed to get as specific as "minority gay immigrant feminists with physical disabilities", and the general consensus was that "my hyper-specific issue is the only one that matters, and "gently caress you" for thinking you are I think she said this was in the early 90's.
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Blistex posted:CBC radio had an interview with a pioneer in the feminist movement who has since distanced herself from it because it has been co-opted by various special interest groups who are only interested in being the victim. I can't find the interview online, but the gist of it was. The feminist guest realized that people on the extreme left, the ones who are the most vocal protesters, can't actually stand each other. They had a conference where they had something like 200 "feminists" and asked them to sort themselves into groups that would best allow them to address what they thought was the most important aspect of the feminist agenda. By the end of the conference the group of 200 had shattered into nearly as many groups. People initially divided into gay and straight feminists. Then they divided into gay/straight/minority feminists, then they divided again, and again. . . by the end the groups had managed to get as specific as "minority gay immigrant feminists with physical disabilities", and the general consensus was that "my hyper-specific issue is the only one that matters, and "gently caress you" for thinking you are It's prolly Christina Hoff Sommers. She's often accused of being a nutty right winger but truth is that she's quite reasonable on most things and she's not an anti-feminist. The right like her because she says things they like but she just usually quietly disagrees when they go off the deep end ideology-wise like Milo does on occasion. I think she's misunderstood because she states that now men's issues should be examined and solved as well, by feminist standards that means she is now an evil misogynist and MRA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYpELqKZ02Q
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Tarkus posted:LGBT: A significant minority that really needed both rights and respect has begun to gain those things in spades but must now bear the burden of being ideologically pure while absorbing every mentally ill person who believes that they are a cat, undefinable or something completely made-up altogether. While I'm not against inclusiveness, these people muddy the message and direction of the movement. see LGBTQIAP+ alphabet soup. The most generous thing I can say about queer radicalism is that it represents freedom -- from convention, normality and stifling, conservative institutions. The idea of "fixed" identities like "gay" or "straight" are even controversial in this ideology as these are socially-constructed categories that must be endlessly deconstructed. So you're now seeing Pride parades splinter in half, with the radicals viewing the established ones as too corporate and beholden to oppressive gay club house beats as opposed to the liberating music of Big Freedia. Blistex posted:The feminist guest realized that people on the extreme left, the ones who are the most vocal protesters, can't actually stand each other.
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What I don't like about queer radical ideology is that it buckles under its own contradictions. If your politics is endless deconstruction then you're going to get endless splitting. And since you can't compromise with any existing social conventions, and really you *need* those existing social conventions to exist apart from yourself otherwise you wouldn't be queer, then the whole shebang is basically just a big show. The worst thing is this can also trap people into a new orthodoxy. You have to constantly deconstruct yourself and your identity, gender and sexuality until you're not even a person anymore, but a receptacle for whatever Queer ideology wants to pour into you. I think Shmorky is an example of this happening to somebody.
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FWIW, any attempt to impose some queer radicalism or hegemonic language code on gay men is doomed to fail. Among the least politically correct places in the Western world are standup comedy bits during drag shows. No way in hell that's happening. A few months ago I remember being at a party full of people who were basically heterosexual in their lives but self-identified as queers. Yes, several had Tumblrs. And I overheard one girl talking about how the underground strip contest they went to was getting sour because there were too many gay men showing up -- I'm guessing they thought that represented some normie intrusion. The party was at a house in a rapidly gentrifying neighborhood too. So this is where we are at the moment.
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Y-Hat posted:the most lol-worthy thing about queer radicalism is that dressing in drag is now a bad thing that shouldn't be done, when the entire point of it is to be aggressive and provocative. The good news is that I think gay culture is really hardened against this kind of thing.
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Ultimately, this new focus on identity and the labels associated with it are doomed. Most of the new labels have no cultural history or relevance and mean absolutely nothing. For example, for authors on the left, the new standard is no longer defined by accomplishments and credentials but by identity labels that seem to confer some level of expertise. While in some circumstances these can be useful especially when talking about a well defined culture or race, when talking about demi-queer cat-kin, this loses all meaning. I guess what I'm saying is that arbitrary labels of identity have trumped actual knowledge, science and experience on the left and we let these ideologues dictate the course of action despite it being counter-productive.
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Frosted Flake posted:BLM people have a reputation for calling Black Canadians Uncle Toms, when they themselves are 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. Canadians who are actually descended from slaves and faced actual discrimination for most of our history live in Halifax, Truro, Fredericton not Toronto. lol BLM is like a pussified black panthers
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Wikkheiser posted:What I don't like about queer radical ideology is that it buckles under its own contradictions. If your politics is endless deconstruction then you're going to get endless splitting. And since you can't compromise with any existing social conventions, and really you *need* those existing social conventions to exist apart from yourself otherwise you wouldn't be queer, then the whole shebang is basically just a big show. Speaking strictly as an observer, I wonder if the movement would be better off if it just drops the categoricalism, embraces "queer" as a catchall, and lets everyone encompassed decide for themselves how they want to deal with that. Have sex with whoever you want, big deal. Express yourself however you want to express yourself, big deal. Go beyond postmodernism or something. Maybe that wouldn't work without having an overarching identity (something like "Citizen") and social group to attach to? Otherwise you get aimless drifters who attach onto something else? Shrug Wikkheiser posted:The worst thing is this can also trap people into a new orthodoxy. You have to constantly deconstruct yourself and your identity, gender and sexuality until you're not even a person anymore, but a receptacle for whatever Queer ideology wants to pour into you. I think Shmorky is an example of this happening to somebody. I can think of many people who I've ran into over my years on the Internet who fell victim to this exact situation. It comes comorbid with severe depression or isolation, having their entire social circle be the sort of hypercritical moralist wingnuts, and (especially) a promise of being able to get a "do-over" on their life. After long enough exposure, with little other visible recourse, they plunge hard into this stuff instead of actually working on unfucking their life. Along with Shmorky, Fire is another great example.
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Tarkus posted:Ultimately, this new focus on identity and the labels associated with it are doomed. at the end of 2015 i figured people on the left were starting to wise up to this bullshit, but i'm not so sure anymore
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BJM are awesome though they should hijack more events. I'm a big fan of their more shoegazy early stuff but I can also dig some cool psychedelic riffs.
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I've noticed that most Queer Activists have never had a Black friend or met a Black person that wasn't an activist so they're totally out of their element in social situations. When I said that I'm not a "PoC" because it's not only re-labeling "Coloured" but also lumping me in with every other ethnic group, I was told that I had internalized oppression and that I just needed to be educated on the proper terminology. When I said one of my Black Canadian heroes was Willie O'Ree, they said that hockey was a hyper-masculine, violent, classiest activity that excluded women and transgendered people and was stolen from Native culture. How are you supposed to talk to these people?
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