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Three Olives posted:Dallas is offering free counseling to everyone at the central library today. I don't mean cops or people that were at the rally, anyone in Dallas that is upset can head to the library to talk about it. That's pretty cool of them to be honest.
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Jul 8, 2016 19:41
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Jul 8, 2016 20:05
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there's nothing deadlier than a marine and his rifle
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Jul 8, 2016 20:19
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The-Mole posted:Good thing no white parent has ever taken a picture of their children holding a gun i feel like every time I see 'parent shot by toddler who found gun on floor' it's some white people e: like really now that I think about it it's exclusively white people
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Jul 8, 2016 20:41
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Sp1r0_Agn3W posted:what the gently caress is a dog license. like i realize what it must be but since when are such things required to have a drat dog i support the idea because tbh most people are loving braindead and shouldn't be taking care of animals
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Jul 8, 2016 21:10
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Luvcow posted:why are so many people on a forum made up predominantly of shut in video gamer players so terrified of the police? probably because the police murder people for dubious reasons all the time so we all know that unless we act like a 100% submissive meek person they may actually put a bullet through our head or trump some charges up for no reason the statistical likelihood of that is not relevant really, it's about public perception (which US police have hosed up hardcore).
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Jul 8, 2016 21:12
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my interactions with the police have all actually been fairly professional and courteous, except for a turbocop here and there who thought they were going to bust me for something huge. Did have a gun pulled on me once because some rookie thought he was going to be a superhero - I was filming a video for my English class and some neighbor called the police and told them 'kids are running around with rifles' (they were air soft guns and we were on our friend's property). That poo poo was pretty scary for a moment but thankfully his partner calmed him down (although she looked like she was about to pull out too until she realized they were fake guns). Dumb part is they didn't even look that realistic (they couldn't because it was for a school video). Then the police went to the neighbor's house and told her off. I'm also a white male though
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Jul 8, 2016 21:16
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jm20 posted:If you are not Aryan there is a realized legitimate fear my friend is black and we were getting gas - I walked in to get a drink and I watched a cop pull in, circle our car, get out, mad dog my friend, get back in, circle our car again, then leave. then another police car did it 2 minutes later. it was really weird. Luvcow posted:thank you for this because it's actually a legitimate argument and thought as opposed to the various people itt who are wishing death onto all police as if they were some evil video game enemy i think that's what most reasonable people really mean when they say 'gently caress the police' though, at least I do. I know that not all police are 'evil' and they're just people but wowee is the institution hosed up and does it ever need reform which the police struggle mightily against.
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Jul 8, 2016 21:17
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twig1919 posted:There is a perception that this indiscriminate corruption is spreading into suburban and rural areas. However, in my opinion the problem isn't necessarily excessive police violence for most Americans, but its a corrupt court system that leans on a system of plea deals to bully people into guilty pleas for crimes. Its the court's job to be the a strong check on the Executive branches power, and I just don't think that they are doing a good job of that; instead, they have become an extension of the Executive branch in many local districts. yeah you might be on to something there actually
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Jul 8, 2016 21:32
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Decebal posted:What happens when they criminals have automatic weapons and body armor ? Bank robbery in CA yeah. TBH that always seemed like a very good reason to have a well armed SWAT team than arm every individual officer. I mean quote:The SWAT team arrived 18 minutes after the shooting had begun. They were armed with AR-15s, and wore running shoes and shorts under their body armor, as they had been on an exercise run when they received the call. pff have SWAT roll in with a chopper and a anti-materiel rifle and that would be that but instead everyone wanted to have some wild west shootout and then used it as evidence that they need bigger guns. It's not that the police have the equipment necessarily, it's that there is 0 outreach with the community anymore so no one sees a friendly officer on the beat being part of the community. Look have all that stuff if you need it but the cops bust it out constantly and then are surprised when the public thinks they look like occupying soldiers.
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Jul 8, 2016 21:34
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spudsbuckley posted:We can say that all cops act like terrible racist shitheels but perish the thought that we say that a large proportion of a particular racial grouping act like shitheels. it's not because they are black, retard, it's because they live in crushing poverty with very little hope of advancement unless it is dealing drugs or rapping or playing sports for the white man's entertainment put any other race in that same situation and they'll have high crime rates. thus the solution is not just police them more brutally, but fix the US economy and even the playing field for the disenfranchised. but you're a racist and you don't really want that, you want an easy dogwhistle.
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Jul 8, 2016 21:37
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Blue Train posted:the initial responders had 38 revolvers iirc and ended up getting rifles from a local gun store look I'm not even against the rifle in the squad car now. But you must admit when police are wearing camo and body armor and rolling around with a vehicle that looks like it was some Iraq War surplus stuff, it doesn't make anyone in the community feel at ease at all. I mean poo poo I love this:  is that supposed to inspire a sense of security and safety and community or is it just supposed to be 'haha look how huge my nuts are you people are gonna poo poo yourselves when this baby rolls into your neighborhood' then they forget to put the parking brake on and crush some random person's car and lol sorry buddy
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Jul 8, 2016 21:40
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spudsbuckley posted:Holy gently caress. if you're born in the ghetto then yes, those are predominantly the ways you escape the pit of poverty. No, they are obviously not the ONLY ways, but lol if you think a black kid in Compton has the same opportunities as a white kid in the suburbs. lol that you think black people commit more crime just bc they are black and you think that's somehow not racist, you massive piece of poo
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Jul 8, 2016 21:41
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spudsbuckley posted:If your life is an uplifting movie from the 90's. yeah you're right, black kids born in the ghetto have as much chance to succeed as anyone else and to insinuate otherwise is racist, yep you're 100% right we should prolly ditch affirmative action too while we're at it bc it's reverse racism right?
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Jul 8, 2016 21:49
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logical phalluses posted:it actually has a lot to do with race and saying "it's about class not race" or that promoting class equality will fix our country's racial problems ignores a huge part of the issue no poo poo there's a lot of systemic racism in the system, but that's not what other poster was saying homie. and economic empowerment would still fix a lot of that racial poo poo - yeah white people would still hate black people but the point was never to get the oppressor to like you. the point is to make it so the oppressor has no real power over you, thus the economics.
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Jul 8, 2016 22:03
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logical phalluses posted:sorry i didn't actually read the thread i just like disgruntled-posting it's all good dude that's what I do 90% of the time as well Brannock posted:If nothing else they'd be able to afford to (and have time to) organize, get legal representation, get educated, and so on yea. don't really have time for that when you need to work 2 jobs to make ends meet.
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Jul 8, 2016 22:05
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McNutty posted:For sure a ton of people are going to get tear gassed and sonic cannoned all over the place. It could be a really bad time. I remember watching footage of the DNC riots a few years back and thinking 'huh they're really free with those concussion grenades and tear gas.' lol how little I knew
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Jul 8, 2016 22:12
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I feel like I agree that once lethal force has been authorized or whatever the actual method of delivery doesn't matter a whole lot unless you're talking about poo poo tons of collateral damage like with the MOVE bombing. But I have 0 problem with someone getting blown up by a remote control robot versus getting shot by a sniper or whatever. Are people really mad about that? Seems like a better way to do it than risk an officer's life in a shootout tbh.
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Jul 8, 2016 22:18
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Honestly I think most cops are just trying to do a decent job and there's a bunch of bullshit that goes along with the job that the average person isn't privy to so it is easy to judge. However I do think there's a systemic issue with our police that needs to be addressed, whether it is equipment or hiring practices or oversight idk but something is rotten in Denmark. that said gently caress the police Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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quote:here is a top tip, move out of the ghetto to somewhere you DO have opportunity for advancement with what savings? the $150 you just spent on a bus ticket? obv some people can move away but the answer to 'hey this community is highly impoverished' is not 'just have everyone living there move then.' maybe some nice not-racist will hire you sight unseen and give you an advance to cover moving expenses because you just give the most amaaazing phone interviews with your retail slash food service experience lol
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Jul 11, 2016 23:36
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Jeff Sichoe posted:What even is poor poor is working 2 jobs and still barely making ends meet you bitch
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Jul 11, 2016 23:38
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Jeff Sichoe posted:guess what? Minimum wage is a LIVING wage for FOOD AND SHELTER yeah like no one ever works for 30-40 years at poo poo jobs busting their rear end then dies poor as gently caress before being able to retire because of stress related issues lol so many retards in GBS lately
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Jul 11, 2016 23:42
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How about this little math problem for you brain addled bitches: how in the gently caress is everyone going to get a 'better' job? How many 'better' jobs do you think exist exactly? Not every fry cook is going to be able to one day own a McDonald's if only they work hard enough you dream-peddling shits. Also: Why is it okay for a person working a 'lovely' job to live in poverty? Don't we need those lovely jobs? Why should people suffer so much just because they were born into a certain family or class?
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Jul 11, 2016 23:43
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Jeff Sichoe posted:guess what? Minimum wage is a LIVING wage for FOOD AND SHELTER and lol not when most of the minimum wage jobs pay less than the poverty line fuckwad
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Jul 11, 2016 23:45
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Nerses IV posted:The main problem with minimum wage jobs isn't necessarily how much they pay by hour, but the fact that they won't schedule you for enough hours to actually support yourself (or your family) due to [reasons that change massively depending on who you ask]. The people "working two minimum wage jobs just to make ends meet" often aren't working any more hours-wise than a person with a comfortable salaried position, but need to juggle two jobs just to get scheduled enough. Some places flat-out won't schedule you at all if you worked at your other job that day because they don't want exhausted, miserable people coming in. Also a lot of places won't give you 40 hours because they then have to give you full time benefits so they just give you 30-35 hours instead lol
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Jul 11, 2016 23:46
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Jeff Sichoe posted:Yeah ok so barely making ends meet is now the worst thing that can happen to a person? uh working 40+ hours a week at 2 jobs because neither will hire you 'full time' and still barely being able to pay your bills and not being able to really participate in our economy/society because you're some underclass cook/server/salesperson and then not being able to afford medical bills or expenses when they arise is not THE WORST thing that can happen to you, but if you think people deserve to live like that in the richest nation in the history of the world just so some other people can have that 6th house then you're a piece of poo poo
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Jul 11, 2016 23:48
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Jeff Sichoe posted:Ok so at 7 bux at 8 hours a day for 28 days thats 1470 I mean yeah look your arguments might make sense somewhere sane and I didn't mean those nasty things I called you but this is America we're talking about here lol "Minimum wage should provide a basic living standard like housing/food" is more socialist than half the country wants to be.
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Jul 11, 2016 23:49
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Dubplate Fire posted:I think he lives in New Zealand, which means he has no loving clue what he's talking about when it comes to the US. well now I just feel bad for calling him dumb
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Jul 11, 2016 23:51
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Cartouche posted:The hispanics who come to the usa and work their asses off and survive undoubtably have oodles of sympathy for those you are seemingly whight knighting. Not only that, theyre pretty drat chill, and produce some amazing vittles. I like how simply "survive" is your criteria for success, as if we are in 1200 feudal Europe or something.
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Honestly as someone whose family came to this country after the collapse of the USSR when I was ~2 and worked from low income housing all the way to owning businesses and properties: we def worked hard but we also got lucky AS gently caress and also depended on a already pre-existing community of immigrants from our country to fall back on and help us out and get us business connections. Plus we're white. Plus my dad had a decent nest egg due to what amounts to 'Chance' cards when the USSR fell (he had friends in some government office that funneled money at us). The average immigrant is nowhere near as lucky and your argument is dumb. We're the first to admit our success is not only because of our hard work but because the opportunities afforded to us by the USA. Opportunities that don't exist for your own citizens languishing in the inner cities and flooded by drugs fueled by your own failed drug policy. All I'm saying is 'hey even it out a bit so black kid in Compton has a decent shot as well.' e: oh and California is awesome, one of the best states in the union because the state government actually seems to give a poo poo about the citizens and gives us education, infrastructure, etc. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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Jeff Sichoe posted:Right ok so you raise the minimum wage to meet the local costs, right? So in Harlem you'd raise it juuust enough so people (if smart) have a little money left over each month, for training, school for their kids, whatever? You can have rent controls. You're also erroneous in assuming that inflation would increase in such a 1:1 ratio (it won't, there's tons of data from previous wage increases to support this). It's a complex issue man and it's not just about wages. The schools themselves are poo poo holes, drugs are endemic everywhere, the police seem to care more about locking black people up than helping the community, job opportunities are not forthcoming, everything is designed to get you in debt and keep you there, etc.
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Dubplate Fire posted:This may be an unpopular opinion, but poor white immigrant communities tend to support each other much better than poor black communities. After MLK got killed, their communities went to poo poo real fast. It's true. Idk why it's true, but it's true. It's also why poor white immigrant communities don't tend to stay poor for very long - maybe not rich but certainly living comfortably. But yeah COINTELPRO was a bitch.
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Cartouche posted:LOL, arguably the most expensive area near me, a ski resort town, you can rent a townhome for $1400/mo. Maybe get the gently caress out of the city. Move to the country where land is cheap... and then get work where? $1400 won't even get you a piece of poo poo apartment in Oceanside around here. Darth123123 posted:Frankly it takes less time/effort to just sell some crack. Yeah that's also a massive issue. I watched a documentary a few years ago and some guy was really trying to be on the straight and narrow and go do his McDonald's job. He got his first paycheck, $1000. His friend laughed and said 'come deal crack with me.' Guy said 'no I don't want to do all that poo poo.' Friend convinces the dude to come with him for a few hours selling crack before the dude's McD's shift starts. Dude makes $20k in 4 hours and doesn't show up to that fry cook job lol. ~the drug war~ ladies and gentlemens
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Cartouche posted:Maybe if "success" to you is making a decent living flipping burgers, you are a loving idiot. Uh not success but a little human dignity would be nice. It's not some binary either 'poor as gently caress' or 'rich as a bitch' you know. Nerses IV posted:I work with a bunch of Mexican and Guatemalan dudes and they enjoy a pretty high quality of life because they're skilled and reliable workers, but they work 10 hour days five days a week and another 6 on Saturday tying steel in Florida. So it's A) not a job anyone can do purely because of the physical requirements, and B) brutally hot, dangerous, and labor-intensive work for close to the same money that I make watching them. The opportunities are there, but the jobs are often unpalatable. I just don't think 56 hour weeks doing manual labor is something we should be aspiring to tbh.
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Cartouche posted:Bullshit Sure man, keep filling your ears with wax and claiming everything is fine as your economy continues its slow slide and racial tensions rear their ugly head again. The data is all out there, at this point this 'bootstraps gently caress you got mine' poo poo is just tired and sad.
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Also it's hella lowkey racist because the undertone is 'they COULD make it out the ghetto if they want, the opportunities and such are there, they just don't for REASONS.' and reasons here being because they are black obv.
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They COULD go live somewhere nicer, they just spend all their money on Air Jordans and Nikes!Jeff Sichoe posted:Yeah ok and you can have affordable apartments and poo poo like that - I get it, people are trying to fix the system itself. Oh I see what you're saying. It happens. There's also a weird cultural thing in poor black communities though where leaving the ghetto is somehow seen as selling out. It's just not by itself enough to do anything about the problem in general. But yeah as an individual there's usually always *something* you could do. A lot of people end up joining the army. A lot of people get fooled into thinking dealing drugs is their way out and then they get put in prison.
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Nerses IV posted:It's $20/hr with time and a half overtime over 40 for people who don't need to speak English and learned their skills on the job. It's absolutely solid, and it can become a career if you've got an aptitude for construction. It might not be something to "aspire to," but it beats the gently caress out of quitting your $7.25 job to go sell crack or whatever. That's pretty cool but that poo poo straight doesn't exist where I am. Idk what to tell you. Hell my employees don't even make $20/hr and they are white Americans with an education.
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Cartouche posted:No, clearly it's whitey that has his cowboy boot on their necks. It's clearly because their communities are impoverished and no one is trying to fix that because they'd rather just say 'lol black people blaming everything on whitey.' Even though they worked for free for hundreds of years to build whitey's capital, and even though rich/successful black towns were en masse burned down in the 1900s. It's not just a coincidence that they live in poverty lol but here comes the 'but that was SOOO LOOONG ago' appeal to idiocy. e: even though COINTELPRO assassinated all their leaders :o
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