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Tweak posted:it also goes completely against wins/loses not mattering Yeah, and this is the basis behind WWE booking mentality. Rankings or points systems, as noted, are tough to pull off in a worked environment. Chikara's points system is simple-- win a fall (via pin/submission/countout/DQ), get a point; get three points, get a title shot; lose a fall, lose all points-- and not too hard to fudge to allow wrestlers or teams to accumulate points quickly.
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Spermgod posted:Aren't UFC rankings considered to be mostly bullshit and also have almost no bearing on what fights get made anyway? Yes, they still just book the matches that make money. Last PPV had I believe the #11 fighting the #2 and the #11 was favored and won.
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Spermgod posted:Aren't UFC rankings considered to be mostly bullshit and also have almost no bearing on what fights get made anyway? The rankings due go into how title fights are booked though. Championship contenders are usually in the top five of their division, and decided by their draw and availability. So if the number 2 guy is booked in January, but the champ wants to fight in February, the number 4 guy in the division whose schedule will allow him to take that fight could get the shot. Also you can be Conor McGregor and make the UFC all the dollars and then you make your own rules. So actually, yes, you are right.
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WCW did the rankings system for years before Bischoff took over control. I always thought they were goofy but fun but they never seemed to have any meaning or any relation to what had been going in in matches.
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Skinty McEdger posted:WCW did the rankings system for years before Bischoff took over control.
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Gaz-L posted:And one thing that wasn't super-obvious with the belt on the show but it has the same sideplate gimmick as the women's and top men's ones. Which means they now need to come up with a logo for TJP. Hopefully worse than Becky's. A crossed-out fedora with a trillby next to it.
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People hating TJP is pretty understandable(not to do with the outside stuff), since he took out four guys the crowd was really into in his last four matches. So they have a good setup there and should probably turn him heel.
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Finally caught up to the finals. I was really glad Flat Affect Jr. got knocked out in the semis. I think TJ Perkins is going to be a great character addition to WWE. He wasn't the most talented guy in the tourney, but I think he'll be the most instant fit (out of the dudes in the semis) and he definitely made a fan out of me. I'd say my breakout favorite was Jack Gallagher (I already loved Ibushi and Tozawa). I hope to see more of him! That Dang Dad fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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TJP is cool and good, the purple belt is cool and good. If you hate TJP you're just a Beta "Nice Guy"
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Jenkem Delivery posted:TJP is cool and good, the purple belt is cool and good. I really hope they announce him as "Hailing from the Friend Zone..."
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AMReese posted:I don't get it TNA made him play a character from their video game. Not like motion capture for the game. His character was literally the generic main character of a video game come to life. In my mind, Suicide/Manik might be one of the worst costumes in wrestling history. It looked unwieldy and cheap as hell.
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AMReese posted:I don't get it Perkins was in TNA as a character called Suicide, who was meant to be a character made specifically for a TNA video game.
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Oh, that was him? I've played the game some. I had no idea. I'm surprised TJ Perkins' move-set wasn't 100% Ki Krushers then.
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It should be noted that TJP hated the gimmick and went to twitter to say that he just wanted to be himself but they wouldn't let him. Which led to Josh Matthews trashing him on twitter and telling him to just quit. Which is why Josh is now being spammed with gifs and images of him with the belt. Technically TJP was either the 3rd or 4th version of suicide the two other notable ones being Chris Daniels and Kazarian. Everyone who ever worked the gimmick hated it and the costume. It was never even remotely over with the crowd.
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AMReese posted:Oh, that was him? I've played the game some. I had no idea. I'm surprised TJ Perkins' move-set wasn't 100% Ki Krushers then. Originally it was Kazarian. Then when he got injured, it became Daniels. Then they retired the character. Then they brought it back (years after the game had been released) but Daniels and Kaz were too busy being awesome as Bad Influence, so they gave it to TJP,. Then they realised that Suicide wasn't a good name, so they renamed him Manik. Then at one point Aries was the character but only for one match so he could get the X-Division title and use Option C. That was a mess. Edit: Damnit, Skinty!
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I was talking about the game, not the Suicide gimmick itself. If you've never played the TNA game, your dude's finisher was the Ki Krusher for a long time, so you ended up having to use it a lot.
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Hoss Corncave posted:Originally it was Kazarian. Then when he got injured, it became Daniels. Then they retired the character. Then they brought it back (years after the game had been released) but Daniels and Kaz were too busy being awesome as Bad Influence, so they gave it to TJP,. Then they realised that Suicide wasn't a good name, so they renamed him Manik. Then at one point Aries was the character but only for one match so he could get the X-Division title and use Option C. It was also Akira Raijin/Kiyoshi/SUSHI
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Skinty McEdger posted:It should be noted that TJP hated the gimmick and went to twitter to say that he just wanted to be himself but they wouldn't let him. Which led to Josh Matthews trashing him on twitter and telling him to just quit. Which is why Josh is now being spammed with gifs and images of him with the belt. TJP did at the same time get in trouble for DMing people on twitter with his story of fingering Angelina Love.
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Hoss Corncave posted:Option C. I had no idea what this was and, uh, it's actually not the worst idea in the world and I'd like to see other feds rip it off?
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Basically when Aries was X-division champ going into destination x having cleared out the division he was given two choices: either continue to be x-division champ or vacate the belt and get a world title shot. Aries decided instead to go for "option c" which meant that every x-division champion from that point forward could get a world title shot by cashing in the belt at destination x. Despite "option C" only really making sense to describe the choice Aries made that first year, in the years to come tna referred to the cash in at destination x as option c.
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Deathlove posted:I had no idea what this was and, uh, it's actually not the worst idea in the world and I'd like to see other feds rip it off? It's basically just MITB but with a belt for small flipmens.
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Tweak posted:does it not sort of devalue the flipmen's belt? I was kind of thinking that, as well, but I think if you put a limiter on it (have to hold the belt for X defenses/Y amount of time to show dominance), it could work. I'm thinking specifically of an Ibushi-Okada vibe where it's just Ibushi is CLEARLY the best junior sooooooooooooooooo what would happen if we did this match?
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Deathlove posted:I was kind of thinking that, as well, but I think if you put a limiter on it (have to hold the belt for X defenses/Y amount of time to show dominance), it could work. I'm thinking specifically of an Ibushi-Okada vibe where it's just Ibushi is CLEARLY the best junior sooooooooooooooooo what would happen if we did this match? I was thinking similarly, but with Devitt and Okada. I just really like that angle where Devitt challenged Okada and Okada went "OK, but you gotta give my manager a shot at your belt first"
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Lid posted:TJP did at the same time get in trouble for DMing people on twitter with his story of fingering Angelina Love. Hey while it might be cool to say you shouldn't snitch, if she committed a crime then I applaud TJ for pointing her out to the authorities 
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Mark Andrews semi-recently got heat for turning down the Suicide costume.
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In the end, TJP won and despite how good his match with Ibushi was, it was still worse than both Cedric and Kendrick's matches with the same opponent. It stings that TJP was also worse than four of the people he eliminated from the tournament. The tournament was brilliant but someone who was nowhere near the best there winning takes the wind out of my sails a bunch. It's like how Noam Dar got to the quarters when Gentleman Jack got taken out in the round of 16.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Basically when Aries was X-division champ going into destination x having cleared out the division he was given two choices: either continue to be x-division champ or vacate the belt and get a world title shot. Aries decided instead to go for "option c" which meant that every x-division champion from that point forward could get a world title shot by cashing in the belt at destination x. Wait, what's the difference between B and C?
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Ice To Meet You posted:Wait, what's the difference between B and C? B is Aries saying he's too good for the X-belt and giving it up because he can't hold it and the world title. C is establishing something akin to the MITB or the old "IC champ is default #1 contender" rule.
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Still sounds the same to me except for being slightly more event-specific, which is fitting with TNA's idea of creativity. It's like when WWE had those fan polls of whether a match should be No DQ, a Street Fight, or No Holds Barred.
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rovert posted:Mark Andrews semi-recently got heat for turning down the Suicide costume. lmao
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