Stop telling people you're an "engineer"

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H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

Menacer posted:

lol at pen and paper pushing fuckers trying to steal the the working man's credibility. railroad, marine, and operating engineers kick your asses.

operating engineers make bank

# ? Jul 12, 2016 02:30

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# ? May 15, 2024 10:56

maniacdevnull: Apr 18, 2007; FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:

operating engineers make bank

thats a wide range of what is considered 'bank'

# ? Jul 12, 2016 02:35

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

I'm not sure you know what the phrase "make bank" means

# ? Jul 12, 2016 02:35

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

whoosh

# ? Jul 12, 2016 02:38

Satellit3: Oct 21, 2008

Otaku Alpha Male posted:

Flight computer crashes

"Excuse me is there a Computer Engineer on this plane??"

Yosposter walks to cockpit and inspects computer

"Your operating system. . . is a piece of poo poo"

# ? Jul 12, 2016 02:43

Menacer: Nov 25, 2000; Failed Sega Accessory Ahoy!

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

operating engineers make bank

oh its not about the credibility that comes with the title now that real jobs are part of the discussion lol

# ? Jul 12, 2016 03:39

Roosevelt: Jul 18, 2009; I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

i'm a "small e" type of engineer

# ? Jul 12, 2016 03:40

Roosevelt: Jul 18, 2009; I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

i create technical solutions for people which requires a bit of "engineering" skill but i don't have the degree or the heady scent of my own butt constantly flowing through my nostrils

# ? Jul 12, 2016 03:43

ADINSX: Sep 9, 2003; Wanna run with my crew huh? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

Engineer is my favorite class in tf2 when I wanna just chill and drink a beer while playing.

# ? Jul 12, 2016 03:43

EIDE Van Hagar: Dec 8, 2000; Beep Boop

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

whoosh

lol

# ? Jul 12, 2016 04:21

maniacdevnull: Apr 18, 2007; FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:

whoosh

was i owned? someone tell me if im getting owned plz

# ? Jul 12, 2016 04:23

EIDE Van Hagar: Dec 8, 2000; Beep Boop

realpost i am an industrial exemption engineer.

what i do, computer performance and functional modeling in simulation, is clearly engineering, but no safety is involved.

you make computers, you are, by definition, engineering a physical device to meet certain physical performance, die area, power, etc. but you don't actually make anything that is safety critical, does that mean you are not engineering? maybe, idk, i think that is why the industrial exemption exists.

# ? Jul 12, 2016 04:27

EIDE Van Hagar: Dec 8, 2000; Beep Boop

maniacdevnull posted:

was i owned? someone tell me if im getting owned plz

faarts

# ? Jul 12, 2016 04:27

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

hey op I think I'm actually an analyst

a systems analyst

am I a real analyst or is that bullshit?

# ? Jul 12, 2016 05:00

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

i have an engineering degree. software engineering, even. my job involves a lot of writing software, but nothing that i'd call engineering. no engineering rigor or anything.

i think there are probably some people somewhere in the world doing real software engineering. i've never met them though.

# ? Jul 12, 2016 06:42

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

serious talk, it's kinda funny how programmers tend to overrate engineers

"oh my job isn't engineering really. engineers are serious professionals who do things consistently right, not me for sure"

it's such an out of place humility

# ? Jul 12, 2016 06:48

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

I'm not dissing engineering, I'm just saying that we're all failtards in the same way.

engineers are more important for society in general though

# ? Jul 12, 2016 06:49

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

Symbolic Butt posted:

hey op I think I'm actually an analyst

a systems analyst

am I a real analyst or is that bullshit?

# ? Jul 12, 2016 07:06

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003; Can't post for 2 hours!

Menacer posted:

lol at pen and paper pushing fuckers trying to steal the the working man's credibility. railroad, marine, and operating engineers kick your asses.

# ? Jul 12, 2016 21:41

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
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Symbolic Butt posted:

hey op I think I'm actually an analyst

a systems analyst

am I a real analyst or is that bullshit?

anal cyst more like

# ? Jul 14, 2016 13:53

OzyMandrill: Aug 12, 2013; Look upon my words
and despair

my boss suggested i say 'engineered a solution' instead of 'bodge in a hack' when talking in front of clients for some reason

# ? Jul 14, 2016 14:37

Stinky_Pete: Aug 16, 2015; Stinkier than your average bear; Lipstick Apathy

I believe the phrase is "computer science-ist"

It is a science, not an engineering

# ? Jul 14, 2016 20:15

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

but math is a Liberal Art

so by the transitive property computer science is Liberal Arts

# ? Jul 14, 2016 20:18

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003; Can't post for 2 hours!

whats wrong with a craft? newspaper writing is a craft, aint no shame in it.

# ? Jul 14, 2016 20:20

OldAlias: Nov 2, 2013

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

but math is a Liberal Art

so by the transitive property computer science is Liberal Arts

computer science is a mathematical science. so "Liberal Arts Science" ?

# ? Jul 14, 2016 20:23

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

how is it a science there's no predictive experiments

or is it like library science where they just add it on there to make the students not sound so much like dorks

# ? Jul 14, 2016 20:24

Stinky_Pete: Aug 16, 2015; Stinkier than your average bear; Lipstick Apathy

Debugging is the scientific method over and over again, forever.

Every time you run a program it is an experiment.

Don't believe me?

If you know what a program is going to do before you run it, then you have violated the Church-Turing thesis.

# ? Jul 14, 2016 20:26

Breakfast All Day: Oct 21, 2004

computer science is empirical and has predictive experiments you bozos, read some fuckin newell

# ? Jul 14, 2016 23:49

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

yea it predicts that you're a fuckin nerd

# ? Jul 14, 2016 23:56

Deep Dish Fuckfest: Sep 6, 2006; Advanced
Computer Touching; Toilet Rascal

so it's accurate too!

# ? Jul 15, 2016 00:29

b0red: Apr 3, 2013

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

operating engineers make bank

dev mf ops!

# ? Jul 15, 2016 05:33

Roosevelt: Jul 18, 2009; I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

sometimes engineering is more art than engineering, morty

# ? Jul 15, 2016 05:49

Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

my abet software engineering degree was cool because it taught me all the things actual companies never do because deadlines/budget. so instead of just knowing our software is garbage I know that the systems producing said garbage are garbage as well.

# ? Jul 15, 2016 06:04

Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

let me go ahead and link this for you since it always comes up

1. The product is only as good as the plan for the product. At the on-board shuttle group, about one-third of the process of writing software happens before anyone writes a line of code. NASA and the Lockheed Martin group agree in the most minute detail about everything the new code is supposed to do � and they commit that understanding to paper, with the kind of specificity and precision usually found in blueprints. Nothing in the specs is changed without agreement and understanding from both sides. And no coder changes a single line of code without specs carefully outlining the change. Take the upgrade of the software to permit the shuttle to navigate with Global Positioning Satellites, a change that involves just 1.5% of the program, or 6,366 lines of code. The specs for that one change run 2,500 pages, a volume thicker than a phone book. The specs for the current program fill 30 volumes and run 40,000 pages.

"Our requirements are almost pseudo-code," says William R. Pruett, who manages the software project for NASA. "They say, you must do exactly this, do it exactly this way, given this condition and this circumstance."

This careful design process alone is enough to put the shuttle organization in a class by itself, says John Munson of the University of Idaho. Most organizations launch into even big projects without planning what the software must do in blueprint-like detail. So after coders have already started writing a program, the customer is busily changing its design. The result is chaotic, costly programming where code is constantly being changed and infected with errors, even as it is being designed.

"Most people choose to spend their money at the wrong end of the process," says Munson. "In the modern software environment, 80% of the cost of the software is spent after the software is written the first time � they don't get it right the first time, so they spend time flogging it. In shuttle, they do it right the first time. And they don't change the software without changing the blueprint. That's why their software is so perfect."

yeah this

# ? Jul 15, 2016 06:06

Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

how is it a science there's no predictive experiments

or is it like library science where they just add it on there to make the students not sound so much like dorks

synopsis: will the build compile & deploy before the demo in two hours?
hypothesis: yes. I hope so at least
experiment: ./build.sh -full_install > install.log
findings: lol nope

# ? Jul 15, 2016 06:19

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

b0red posted:

dev mf ops!

what's the visual equivalent of tone-deafness?

i see this kind of poo poo all the time with scientists and nerds (check out the graphic design of an average scientific conference poster sometime) and it repeatedly confirms that you should have to pass a test to be allowed to produce publicly viewable presentation materials

# ? Jul 15, 2016 11:41

ShadowHawk: Jun 25, 2000; CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

I wear a yellow jumpsuit and push buttons that reroute power to the warp engines am I an engineer?

# ? Jul 15, 2016 12:04

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

Necc0 posted:

my abet software engineering degree was cool

wait how do you have a degree in engineering the software from the autistic guy on community?

# ? Jul 15, 2016 14:25

maniacdevnull: Apr 18, 2007; FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
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ShadowHawk posted:

I wear a yellow jumpsuit and push buttons that reroute power to the warp engines am I an engineer?

No you'd be a Beastie Boy

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Necc0 posted:

synopsis: will the build compile & deploy before the demo in two hours?
hypothesis: yes. I hope so at least
experiment: ./build.sh -full_install > install.log
findings: lol nope

lol don't use Linux scripts to do builds.

# ? Jul 15, 2016 14:26

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