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Stealth Tiger posted:I'd argue that Daniel Cormier did settle his score with Jon Jones. I think most fans are going to assume Bones was on drugs the whole time and was too much of a pussy to fight DC mano a mano. You have a point but to settle the score in the eyes of a lot of fans you need to beat him in the cage and I'm sure despite his protestations DC on some level feels the same way.
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EvanSchenck posted:He was a UFC Light Heavyweight Champion a long time ago when the promotion was less competitive. He is notoriously dumb and lame for a myriad of reasons too long to list but I'll jot out the first few that come to mind He also defeated wanderlei silva and vitor belfort when they were murdering dudes. Tito ortiz was a good fighter in his day, just not the best fighter and stayed in the game way too long but he did have some impressive moments in his career and held the belt in a competitive division for a not insignifcant amount of time.
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Bundt Cake posted:Those fights were terrible performances. He lay n prayed Wandy then full on sprinted away the one time he wasn't in top position. And he lost the third round to vitor. he lost a third round TO VITOR Lay n pray is what hendricks did at the end of the lawler fight. Tito sold out for takedowns but he was actually active passing and striking. Dont bring this poo poo back into prominence where anyone who scores a takedown is now just a lay n pray fighter. It took years for retards to stop saying it.
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:As someone who isn't a "newbie" in the sense that I haven't watched MMA before (I have), I definitely haven't kept up. I still remember renting the VHS tapes when there was "tiny guy VS giant fat Asian dude" where the latter got wrecked with his nose broken, or something (I think that was the first one). Names like Don Frye, Dan Severn, the Shamrock bros, Royce Gracie, and a few others stick out in my head. Because I didn't have premium cable or even, like, ACTUAL cable at the time, I was never current. The UFC and MMA in general went through an era (the one you watched and remember) where it was according to Joe Rogan and I quote "like doing porn" it was pretty much shunned by "the man" and left in the darkness. Most events were held in small out of the way places or on indian reservations and weren't even available on PPV, they had to be purchased via satellite. This was due to John McCain seeing a VHS tape of the fights, getting a tingly feeling in his nuts at half naked men and probably some PTSD nam flashbacks from the violence and the "human cockfighting" label. He called the other rich white dudes (probably all in the illuminati) in politics he knew and had it banned in all the states it good. In an effort to save a failing business the UFC went to the athletic commissions to get an idea of what they had to do to become a regulated, established sport. Working with John McCarthy (still a referee) and Joe Silva (still the UFC's main match maker) they came up with the ideas of weight classes, wearing gloves and bans on hair pulling, small joint manipulation, groin strikes, downward elbows (because some oval office watched a youtube of dudes smashing bricks with 12 to 6 elbows - yes I'm serious) etc and established more of a framework of actual regulated fighting. They then sent the pair on a bit of a PR tour where they educated govt bodies on how the sport was going to work moving forward, eventually california and New Jersey signed off on their rule set and the sport more or less became OK once again. Part of this campaign was to establish a rule set that was acceptable to all athletic commissions which eventually led to what's known as "unified rules". The problem then became that the sport still had this stink on it of being a bit of a sideshow and the "human cockfighting" moniker was hard to shake, SEG the owners at the time were stuck with a failing business model and few dedicated fans including the owners of Station Casinos (noted rich cunts Lorenzo & Frank fertitta) and Dana White. Part of the problem was some venues wanted to be known as a "family establishment" others had ties to boxing and that sort of poo poo and so it was both hard to get viewers and good venues for the fights. Enter a dude who would later establish "bald man shout times" a favorite of all MMA fans. At the time Dana white was a bit of a knock about dude. Dana started out working as a door man and aspiring to be a pro boxer. Problem was he was a poo poo boxer and afraid of getting too many concussions. He was smart enough to recognise though that there were people who wanted to learn how to box but didn't want to join a fight gym. At the time and even today most boxing gyms didn't allow people just to learn the sport, if you were there, you were there to learn how to fight. Most bank managers and soccer dads don't like the idea of going to work with mild CTE and black eyes - so Dana started teaching white collar types how to hit pads and move their feet and started making a little cash. He also (and significantly) started a community outreach program getting youth off the street and into a ring. Whitey Bulger (yeah that whitey bulger) wanted White and his partners to start kicking up money as part of their standard protection racket. When White couldn't afford to pay the dues he fled to Las Vegas and started doing the same for rich cunts. As a fan of the early UFC's he started trying to get fighters to be part of his business and in turn represented them in contract negotiations (notably Chuck and Tito Ortiz), this included BJ Penn who did some private BJJ lessons for the fertitas. When Dana learned the SEG was looking to sell he contacted Frank and Lorenzo and threw in his own savings to buy the company. Even in hindisght the three of them seem to agree that the deal wasn't really purchasing anything except the 3 letters UFC now synonymous with mixed martial arts. They knew the business was poo poo but also knew there was something there if someone took the time to promote it right. The problem was that fans of the shows were still small time and it was still a struggle to be accepted as a legitimate sport, so in the early days crowds and PPV buys were relatively small, in an effort to appear more popular than they were they did poo poo like put big stages and ramps up in arenas to make the place look full and fought tooth and nail to ensure full broadcasts made it to PPV and later DVD releases - this time in its history was marred by stupid mis steps such as PPV broadcasts being cut short for running over time. Even though they eventually got their way the UFC was losing money hand over fist. Dana, the ferittas in co had lost over 30million dollars at the time and it was coming to that point where the money men were seriously considering cutting their losses. Station Casinos at the time had a side interest in reality TV and partnered with a network to do a reality show about Casinos this allowed them to featur the UFC in one of the episodes -the move proved a smart one as the small UFC segment proved pretty popular with the great unwashed, off the back of that they decided to partner with a fledgling cable network to produce a reality TV show (the ultimate fighter). The show was pretty retarded in its format and the production values were pretty dogshit but the cast they put together was fantastic and lead to a lot of new eyes on the company. It notably featured a full fledged alcoholic (chris leben), 2 jerk offs who couldn't help but torture the alcoholic (Koscheck and southworth), a weird but hilarious dude (forest griffin) and a motherfucker about to spin off the planet he's so weird (Diego Sanchez - who by the by got knocked out last weekend at UFC 200). The finale event held in a pretty tiny hard rock arena luckily featured one of the more exciting fights in UFC history (forest v bonnar) and became one of those "holy poo poo oval office you gotta watch these two cunts wail on each other" moments we all love. The story apparently goes that inbetween rounds people were calling each other to turn it over to spike and the viewer numbers went higher the longer the show went on. The shows popularity lead to more available programming on cable where they showed their back catalog (pretty sure this was UFC unleashed). This in turn fed their PPV model which helped buff their ultimate fighter show and so on down the line. The rest I guess just goes from there. There's also another 5 million words I could write about Pride which was the retarded idea to pit pro wrestlers against real fighters in shoot fights, but also have some pro wrestling fights and some worked fights and the yakuza in the same place, then they went broke and sold their active contracts and back catalog to the now flush UFC. Human cockfighting starts Human cockfighting gets banned the only real ref and a semi volunteer fan/employee devise some rules according to commission guidelines the commsions says "yeah gently caress it why not" the company running it goes broke some boxercise balding failed boxer asks his rich friends to buy it the rich cunts say "yeah gently caress it why not" they start losing money they get good ratings from a TV show they start their own TV show said TV show is awesome - despite it being kind of poo poo people actually start watching fights the groundswell, internets and PPV prevelance causes the sport to grow pride fails and their fighters come to the UFC marketable champs causes it to grow rapidly a pro wrestler decides to have a crack at UFC The 2nd biggest MMA company folds and gets purchased by the UFC they let chicks fight a blonde lady does some armbreaks some irish dude starts gobbing off an english man knocks out a handsome man a dude likes cocaine and steroids a fatman wrestles a brazillian man a brazillian lady bashes an american lady and you're about caught up.
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Freudian slippers posted:McCain is married to the Anheuser-Busch heiress. They make Budweiser. Bud sponsors boxing. Good point, forgot about that link.
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I wouldve said ben nguyen before he got murdered this card just gone. Brian Ortega is a cool fighter too. Hes undefeated and has super slick jiu jitsu. He also knocked Clay Guida out so hard it gave his brother brain damage.
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Jul 17, 2016 23:44
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Also, Yair Rodriguez could be something special if he becomes a little more disciplined but until then his crazy style is extremely fun to watch. Cody garbrandt is another one whos flashy, violent and undefeated.
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Jul 17, 2016 23:51
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JOHN CENA posted:in response to the Becoming A Judge topic mccarthy went over, in mississippi i became a sanctioned judge for MMA and boxing by literally just filing an application and sending it in, no interview process or anything. i was assigned to two shows even. What do you get paid?
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Jul 19, 2016 23:57
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Like fd has said time and time again if you seperate fighters in the cage from who they are as people you'll like the sport a lot more.
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Aug 4, 2016 22:42
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Do what makes ya happy. All im getting at is probably not the wisest thing ever to expect people who get facepunched for a living to know about geopolitics etc.
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Whittaker does it a bit too. Its also why a rising front kick like Anderson does or did to Vitor and Joe Schilling does to everyone can be so dangerous. It comes from an angle thats really hard to see if you're focusing on hand movement.
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Aug 22, 2016 23:00
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:I think you could watch Tito vs: How after the "Aftapaddy" and "if you hev drem gohed is pastabowl" speech when he killed rashad. Can you not like machida?
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Marching Powder posted:by doing this, it will hurt them as much as it hurts you and the kick is no longer considered a scoring strike You never forget either your first leg kick or the first time you check one on your first day of MT classes.
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Siivola posted:Hey, I don't really know what the gently caress about MMA, but I've got a month of Fightpass and I like watching people punch each other. Can you recommend me good striker vs. striker matches? Bonus points for wildly different styles. Machida vs rashad Evans and machida v mousasi are pretty good. Bj penn vs Diego Sanchez is also fun. Well, fun for bj penn.
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Sep 21, 2016 23:07
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Its also heaps of fun as a fan. Theres no reason not to do it.
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fatherdog posted:People said a lot of dumb stuff about the Reebok deal (like that the UFC management was making money off it, which in fact they aren't and are making less money from it than they were from the previous sponsorship regime) but it was still a very bad deal, and the UFC should have compared it to the money the fighters were getting from sponsorships at the time and either negotiated better or walked away until they found someone willing to make a deal that would have been closer to the status quo of money sponsorship. DWG is right that the deal will almost certainly get better to the point that it will eventually be a good deal, but the UFC made an unforced error in letting it be a lovely deal from the beginning. I think the failure in simple poo poo that wasnt done in the reebok deal is a big part of why the new owners sacked a lot of staff from the UFC.
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