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I'm planning on backpacking in the SNP soon and they warned that bears are active. Normally I'd just create a fire big enough to offend God and man but camp fires aren't allowed. My dog will be with me but I can't really throw him very far so I doubt I'll be able to throw him at a bear so what should I do? No jokes like a drone or something. Be serious. Like what kind of bazooka should I get? Should I bathe in honey to confuse the bear? Maybe build a moat? Help me out!
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Jul 18, 2016 15:29
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read "where the red fern grows", then get a spare dog
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Jul 18, 2016 18:02
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Well, according to the documentary "Mean Girls": "And on the third day, God created the Remington bolt-action rifle, so that Man could fight the dinosaurs. And the homosexuals." If its good enough to fight a dinosaur, I'd assume its good enough for a bear.
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Jul 18, 2016 18:07
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Bring an elephant gun, it's the only way to be sure.
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Jul 18, 2016 18:41
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Coat your tent in tallow, they hate the smell. As for weaponry, statistically guns make it worse so I guess bring a camera?
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Jul 18, 2016 20:05
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Hmmm. All of these are good options. Re: camera, what do I do with it? Use the flash to scare it or throw it at the bear? Both? For guns, what's the biggest bullet I can buy legally? I'm assuming anything under 50 cal will be useless. True story, my uncle who works for Nintendo was in Iraq and he says that 50 cal bullets are so powerful that people die just from being beside it Edit: elephant gun? Lol That's not even the right animal. Nice try tho best bale fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Jul 18, 2016 20:23
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What's SNP Also it's illegal to discharge firearms in national parks (in the US) e: you could also just not be such a wuss
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Jul 18, 2016 23:05
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Levitate posted:What's SNP Can you get a second dog OP? 
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Jul 18, 2016 23:29
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:iamafag:
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Jul 18, 2016 23:49
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how do i shot bear
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Jul 18, 2016 23:50
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AceRimmer posted:Shenandoah National Park I think. Well I'm sure not gonna carry my Gatling gun on my own! That'd just be ridiculous. Hmmm illegal to shoot firearms in the park, eh? Do you happen to know the regulations for drones or maybe firing a gun from a hot air balloon?
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Jul 19, 2016 01:52
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Never brought a weapon and I live with some of the biggest grizzlies in the world. Saw two today, in fact.
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Jul 19, 2016 04:41
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bale. posted:Well I'm sure not gonna carry my Gatling gun on my own! That'd just be ridiculous. Park Service will hunt you down like a dog and feed your remains to the bears to encourage their bloodlust
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Jul 19, 2016 05:11
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Aliquid posted:read "where the red fern grows", then get a spare dog Dear lord
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Jul 19, 2016 05:18
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Levitate posted:Park Service will hunt you down like a dog and feed your remains to the bears to encourage their bloodlust Sounds fine to me
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Jul 19, 2016 05:29
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bale. posted:Re: camera, what do I do with it? Use the flash to scare it or throw it at the bear? Both? You shoot the bear with the camera, silly.
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Jul 19, 2016 06:38
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Shenandoah National Park has black bears. You do not need a gun to defend yourself against black bears. You don't even need bear spray. You need to assert yourself and not be a pussy, and they will back down. You also need to store your food and other attractants properly, which will remove the reason black bears mess with camp sites in the first place. Assuming you can carry a gun in Virginia, which I assume you can, you can legally carry a loaded, operational firearm in Shenandoah National Park. You cannot, however, use your firearm for any purpose other than defending yourself. In the extremely unlikely event you were actually attacked by a black bear and shot it in defense of life or property, we would not criminally charge you. If, however, you negligently caused the situation, for instance by improperly storing your food, or shot a bear in a situation that did not actually pose a reasonable threat to you, you will be cited for multiple offenses. If you choose to carry a firearm you do not need something especially stout to kill a black bear. Any larger handgun round is more than sufficient, as is more or less any thirty caliber rifle. A twelve gauge shotgun loaded with slugs is a very fine bear defense option. The short range of the platform is not an issue because you should not be defensively shooting a bear at long range. Given Shenandoah is a well-visited park with lots of people around, you should also consider that high velocity rifle rounds keep going for quite a while, and one of your basic responsibilities as a firearm user is that you are responsible for what is behind your target. When I expect to deal with a problem brown bear I carry a shotgun. It is more than sufficient for any black bear you would need to deal with. However, I advise park visitors, in both brown and black bear country, against carrying firearms in favor of bear spray. This is for several reasons. First, the research literature (see especially Stephen Herrerro's work) shows it is more effective than firearms in deterring bear attacks. Second, it does not kill the animal. As you are visiting the park, you presumably value the resource, and should try to avoid harming it if you can. Third, and this is probably a causal factor in point one, you need to be very proficient with whatever firearm you carry. When the bear charges you is a very poor time to find out whether you can shoot a tight group on a dynamic target under stress. And finally, a lot of people let their guard down in bear country when carrying a gun, because they figure they can solve any bear problem by shooting the bear. This is a good way to get sloppy, which invites problems. Leave your gun at home. You don't need one. Keep a clean camp and observe best practices in bear country. Take bear spray if you really are worried. Don't bring drones to national parks. They are loud and annoying to both other visitors and wildlife. They currently require a permit under superintendent's compendium in all units of the national park system. You will not be issued a permit. Drones will remain banned under compendia until we go through the rule-making process and get it into the CFR. If you are in a hot air balloon and do not land or do anything to the park, you are under the jurisdiction of the FAA, not the National Park Service. If you shoot from your hot air balloon into the park, you will be under the jurisdiction of the national park service, and given that you are airborne in a flying contraption and highly unlikely to be imminently threatened by a black bear, that jurisdiction will probably be asserted to your disadvantage.
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Jul 19, 2016 10:07
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So, a sword then?
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Jul 19, 2016 16:04
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I'm sure most of us have obnoxious nerd voices so all we have to do and the bears will flee in terror
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Jul 19, 2016 16:31
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"Fireball! Fireball!" *throws tennis balls*
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Jul 19, 2016 16:52
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bale. posted:"Fireball! Fireball!" *throws tennis balls* might actually work to haze a bear
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Jul 19, 2016 21:26
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Kazak_Hstan posted:might actually work to haze a bear Norwegian WoW Huntard posted:Hans Jørgen Olsen, a 12-year-old Norwegian boy, saved himself and his sister from a moose attack using skills he picked up playing the online role playing game World of Warcraft.. Saved his sister from getting bit by a møøse; Could work with a bear, sure! Blitter fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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Jul 19, 2016 23:27
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 It's what I get for making fun
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Jul 20, 2016 01:51
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bale. posted:"Fireball! Fireball!" *throws tennis balls*
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Jul 20, 2016 03:19
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Picnic Princess posted:Never brought a weapon and I live with some of the biggest grizzlies in the world. Saw two today, in fact. Do you have bear bells? Or do you monologue nerdily?! I was walking a trail this spring and came over a rocky rise to discover a black bear facing away from me, a little down trail; I backed up a bit, and started stomping around and loudly discussing my foolishness at the bear, while considering the stupidity of wearing in ear headphones and walking quietly on rock. He noticed me, and ambled off into the woods. The only situation involving bears (wolves, moose) that really worries me is accidentally coming between a mom and cubs (kits, foals) and being too quiet in the woods (downwind, out of LoS) is probably the only way that could happen. Startle reactions can be really bad. I picked up a nice cheap pair of foam over-ear headphones so I can listen to audiobooks and still hear poo poo like bears farting around, and try to be mindful about spots where I could spook something. OP has a dog, which can make lots of extra noise/provide scent. Get the dog some bells!
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Jul 20, 2016 05:11
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AceRimmer posted:Use shivering touch instead, bears have low DEX. Seems plausible.  And who wants to shoot that in the face?!
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Jul 20, 2016 05:37
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Blitter posted:Do you have bear bells? Or do you monologue nerdily?! I hate bear bells with a passion. I just yell BEARBEAR, BEARBEARBEAR a lot.
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 okay guys, got my dog a bell. Should be good to go now, yeah?In case imgur is being weird https://imgur.com/a/GgStl Also, holy poo poo anyone thinking I'm actually going into the woods with guns best bale fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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Jul 20, 2016 07:52
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To be honest, if you ever needed to shoot your buddy in the face, bear protection is a good excuse.
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Jul 20, 2016 09:15
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Jul 20, 2016 14:15
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Picnic Princess posted:To be honest, if you ever needed to shoot your buddy in the face, bear protection is a good excuse. true story http://www.wolfsongnews.org/news/Alaska_current_events_1367.htm
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Jul 20, 2016 21:45
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My cousin is coming to visit, and wants to carry guns to feel safe around bears. Maybe he actually wants to murder me.
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Jul 20, 2016 23:22
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i like hunting and shotting bears w/ guns
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Jul 20, 2016 23:38
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Unless you plan on going out and purchasing a revolver just for bears your best bet would just be a can of bear spray. It's p.drat effective and a lot easier to use/carry around.
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Jul 21, 2016 01:56
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I actually have "people spray" on my camping checklist, they are more likely to be problematic.
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Jul 21, 2016 02:33
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meselfs posted:I actually have "people spray" on my camping checklist, they are more likely to be problematic. 
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Jul 21, 2016 05:06
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unless you're talking about alaska (where all the locals apparently carry) it's weird as gently caress to see someone in the wilderness packing. Hunters I get, people who feel they need a gun for protection make me nervous
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Jul 21, 2016 19:25
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The bears here are ballistic right now because the buffaloberries came early. Two attacks last week. Still going unarmed tomorrow lol
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Jul 22, 2016 21:24
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pretty sure canada would get mad at you for carrying a hand gun
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Jul 22, 2016 23:02
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Whew you guys. I'm back from the darkest depths of the wilderness: George Washington national forest. (Next door to SNP. Decided I wanted to try a different trail) There were tons of signs of bear activity but thanks to this thread and all of the suggestions I felt completely safe.   Yeah. That's a leatherman squirt. Surprised I wasn't arrested by some libtard who doesn't understand mah rightz Not gonna lie, I felt the primal thrill of the hunt as I used it to open my mountain house dehydrated raspberry crumble.
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