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Ringo Star Get posted:I have a friend who works as a social worker for those with mental disabilities. Short answer, cops have zero training on how to deal with them. Isn't this why a ton of people with mental illnesses are in jail? Because cops treat them like normal criminals and not people with issues?
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I think the important lesson is doing all the right things and complying in the most obvious ways possible still gets you shot.
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Jul 24, 2016 13:31
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Basically you should shoot cops on sight because you're way more likely to make it out alive
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Jul 24, 2016 13:33
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Everyone should wear fake peadostaches. That'll confuse the gently caress out of cops, thinking you are one of them.
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Jul 24, 2016 13:44
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Its depressing to think that in the states, if your 12 year old black kid takes a growth spurt, you will have to sit him down and explain to him how to act around cops or they might kill him. Also to never call them for help as they won't and probably just shoot you regardless of circumstance.
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Jul 24, 2016 13:58
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So have they actually released the 911 call of the person saying, "some guy has a gun and wants to kill himself" or is that a 100% bullshit excuse the police are trying to float as a reason for them shooting unarmed people?
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Jul 24, 2016 14:29
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Shnag posted:Its depressing to think that in the states, if your 12 year old black kid takes a growth spurt, you will have to sit him down and explain to him how to act around cops or they might kill him. Also to never call them for help as they won't and probably just shoot you regardless of circumstance. "12 year old black kid takes a growth spurt" Dude, you probably shouldn't let them out of kindergarten without that particular life lesson.
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Jul 24, 2016 14:33
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Cthulu Carl posted:"12 year old black kid takes a growth spurt" <mom in a typical up-scale suburb calls police to complain about someone's car obstructing her driveway> <cops arrive 30 minutes later but the car is gone> <they approach the front door to tell her they were here> <black male teen (~15yrs) approaches on bike from the road, dismounts and starts walking to the front door the cops are at> <police draw their guns on the teen> <suburban mom opens the door and tells the cops not to shoot her son> <cops ignore the mom and tell the teen to get on the ground and then frisk him> Is this something I made up or an actual news story?
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Jul 24, 2016 14:42
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Blistex posted:So have they actually released the 911 call of the person saying, "some guy has a gun and wants to kill himself" or is that a 100% bullshit excuse the police are trying to float as a reason for them shooting unarmed people? Did a google, nothing found. The priority here is not to show the cop had a reason, it's to stop the news narrative and make it cop friendly. So news reports go 'They receieved a 911 saying he was armed..' is better than 'the cop opened fire for no reason'. Most cop faults will have them instantly go into media distraction mode, not fessing up to what they did. gently caress, even that cop who shot the black guy in the back several times, walk over and PLANT a taser beside his dying body, the cops were going 'he was going for the officers taser' to the press the whole time.
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Jul 24, 2016 14:45
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Blistex posted:<mom in a typical up-scale suburb calls police to complain about someone's car obstructing her driveway> That one black professor or whatever was arrested for trying to get into his own house so.... I'm gonna go 'Actual News Story' on this one.
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Jul 24, 2016 14:50
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Blistex posted:So have they actually released the 911 call of the person saying, "some guy has a gun and wants to kill himself" or is that a 100% bullshit excuse the police are trying to float as a reason for them shooting unarmed people? Some weird old person probably did call. 10 years ago or so my uncle was woken up when SWAT was tapping on his windows to let him know they were out there surrounding the house next door and to stay down. Some old guy across the street called the cops and said that the neighbor had chopped up his wife and was going to kill himself. They were outside for 5 hours (during which time someone shot a hole in the house) before breaking down the doors only to find that nobody was home. The people who lived there were out of town for several days already at that point. They spent 5 hours negotiating with nobody and damaging the house and surrounding properties (fences and lights for which nobody was compensated) because some old weirdo with dementia had a bad dream and called the cops. So, yeah, all it takes is one call from a paranoid or confused person to cause all kinds of chaos.
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Jul 24, 2016 14:56
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The_Franz posted:Some weird old person probably did call. There was that brief period of time when YouTube superstars were getting their house raided by SWAT teams because people called in with misleading information to intentionally send violence to a stranger's doorstep.
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Blistex posted:<mom in a typical up-scale suburb calls police to complain about someone's car obstructing her driveway> http://thefreethoughtproject.com/black-teen-fostered-white-parents-mistaken-burglar-attacked-cops/ https://news.vice.com/article/four-years-nypd-shot-unarmed-teen-ramarley-graham-call-for-justice https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140219/13105826286/cop-shoots-teen-holding-wii-controller-his-own-home.shtml http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/aiyana-stanley-jones-raid/ From last one: quote:A man named Mark Robinson was detained on the sidewalk while walking his dog, just before the raid. He repeatedly told officers, “There are children in the house,” yet his warnings went unheeded. He was pinned to the ground with officers’ boots on his neck and back, reported attorney Geoffrey Fieger.
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Bill NYSE posted:There was that brief period of time when YouTube superstars were getting their house raided by SWAT teams because people called in with misleading information to intentionally send violence to a stranger's doorstep. http://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/07/serial-swatter-stalker-and-doxer-mir-islam-gets-just-1-year-in-jail/ Some swatter shitbag got some jail time for it. There are a lot more who will probably never be caught because they are in Russia routing their VOIP calls through TOR or a VPN.
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Jul 24, 2016 15:11
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happyhippy posted:http://thefreethoughtproject.com/black-teen-fostered-white-parents-mistaken-burglar-attacked-cops/ Jesus. Pet-murdering psycho kills a child, claims that the (flashbanged) grandmother tried to steal his weapon causing him to fire (although they only detained the grandmother much later), and during two trials the jury is nowhere near close to finding him guilty eventually leading to him getting off Scott free. gently caress the US, it's police, and it's citizens lmao Zidrooner fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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In a follow up that should surprise no one, the autistic boy in this story is highly traumatized by what happened. Anyone familiar with working with people with ASD would recognize that they lack the theory of mind required to put traumatic events like this into any sort of context that they can deal with. What a poo poo thing to happen, this is going to have sincere and profound impact on this man's development
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Jul 24, 2016 16:25
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Serrath posted:In a follow up that should surprise no one, the autistic boy in this story is highly traumatized by what happened. This is going to impact anyone to have someone who cares for you shot in front of you and left to bleed, especially if he's your handler
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unpacked robinhood posted:This is going to impact anyone to have someone who cares for you shot in front of you and left to bleed, especially if he's your handler I phrased my post poorly. People on her spectrum experience these sorts of events differently in ways that wind up being much more treatment resistant and resistant to change But you're right, it'd be a really awful thing to happen to anyone
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Jul 24, 2016 16:32
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Shnag posted:Its not like they have some kind of quota to meet. wait, they do . the police dont have arrest quotas in the same way employees of BestBuy dont have extended warranty quotas
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Jul 24, 2016 17:56
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51t1OsPSdBc I'm tired of the motherfuckin jackin
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Jul 24, 2016 17:59
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You have 5 seconds to comply with an officer's orders, why you bother to question, and end up like luggage is on you
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If was a black guy with a kid, I'd make sure that every single photo of him on facebook would be so wholesome that even grandma wouldn't put it on her fridge. That way when the cops shoot him for walking and eating a burger after dark, they'd have to show pictures of him beaming in a sweatervest while calling him a thug that had it coming. God forbid a teenager post a picture of him not smiling.Rutibex posted:the police dont have arrest quotas in the same way employees of BestBuy dont have extended warranty quotas My Dad once told me be more vigilant about speeding at the end of the month as the cops would be looking to meet their quota. Its so dumb.
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Rutibex posted:the police dont have arrest quotas in the same way employees of BestBuy dont have extended warranty quotas http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/cops-suing-nypd-police-quotas-arrests-article-1.2549579 http://www.npr.org/2015/04/04/395061810/despite-laws-and-lawsuits-quota-based-policing-lingers http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20160503/cops-claim-harassment-for-speaking-up-against-alleged-lapd-arrest-quotas You were saying?
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Jul 24, 2016 19:32
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He was saying you can't read
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Zidrooner posted:Jesus. Pet-murdering psycho kills a child, claims that the (flashbanged) grandmother tried to steal his weapon causing him to fire (although they only detained the grandmother much later), and during two trials the jury is nowhere near close to finding him guilty eventually leading to him getting off Scott free. gently caress the US, it's police, and it's citizens lmao Not only that, he got his job back, Cop Who Shot and Killed 7-Year-Old Girl While Filming a Reality Show is a Police Officer Again Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-shot-killed-7-year-old-girl-filming-reality-show-reinstated/#Gk05ZxuSJaUjUGXu.99 The official response, "It’s tragic what happened to Aiyana, it’s tragic. Sometimes, we’re in a high-risk occupation, mistakes happen, and sometimes those mistakes result in tragedies, but we move on from that.”
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happyhippy posted:http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/cops-suing-nypd-police-quotas-arrests-article-1.2549579 
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Jul 24, 2016 19:57
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of course all the news outlets are going to make it seem like the black guy was shot on purpose
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what's great is that whether the official police story is true or a desperate weirdo lie, it's still awful and terrifying 
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Jul 24, 2016 23:21
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I think that cop shouldn't have tried to murder that retard when he accidentally shot the unarmed black man.
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Were they filming an unboxing video btw ?
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I was hearing the other day about the U.S. military, about how they overhauled their training programs after discovering that most soldiers don't actually shoot to kill in combat situations. The average person, even when given weapons training, will avoid aiming to kill the enemy and will generally just fire to make noise and suppress because killing someone who isn't about to kill you is actually really loving hard. So the American military (along with most other first-world militaries, I imagine) overhauled their combat training to include a whole bunch of Skinnerian conditioning - training their soldiers to shoot to kill as an automatic, physical response, to fight back before their higher brain functions have time to wonder if they should really be killing people. As a result modern U.S. infantry are pretty loving terrifying. Then they leave the army and become cops.
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Feedback Agency posted:of course all the news outlets are going to make it seem like the black guy was shot on purpose Yeah, the official narrative that the officer was aiming for a mentally disabled person unable to comprehend why what he was doing was wrong and missed, wounding someone else in the process is much better.
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FISTS CURE WOMEN posted:Isn't this why a ton of people with mental illnesses are in jail? Because cops treat them like normal criminals and not people with issues? If we start looking at stuff other than "they did a crime and that's bad" we're gonna have to revamp our entire justice system
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Keg posted:I think that cop shouldn't have tried to murder that retard when he accidentally shot the unarmed black man. 
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The Bananana posted:They shot the wrong guy  this guy got probated for saying this and then it turned out to be the cop's actual excuse.
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Fargo Fukes posted:I was hearing the other day about the U.S. military, about how they overhauled their training programs after discovering that most soldiers don't actually shoot to kill in combat situations. The average person, even when given weapons training, will avoid aiming to kill the enemy and will generally just fire to make noise and suppress because killing someone who isn't about to kill you is actually really loving hard. So the American military (along with most other first-world militaries, I imagine) overhauled their combat training to include a whole bunch of Skinnerian conditioning - training their soldiers to shoot to kill as an automatic, physical response, to fight back before their higher brain functions have time to wonder if they should really be killing people. As a result modern U.S. infantry are pretty loving terrifying. what, that old rear end, long discredited study? soldiers who have guns and are told to shoot people generally will. it doesn't take any special conditioning. dehumanizing others isn't difficult at all, as shown by the entirety of human history.
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Fargo Fukes posted:I was hearing the other day about the U.S. military, about how they overhauled their training programs after discovering that most soldiers don't actually shoot to kill in combat situations. We were specifically trained adn instructed not to shoot to kill, because a wounded soldier is more debilitating to the enemy than a dead one. I didnt become a cop though. Maybe i shoulda.
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Serious Frolicking posted:what, that old rear end, long discredited study? soldiers who have guns and are told to shoot people generally will. it doesn't take any special conditioning. dehumanizing others isn't difficult at all, as shown by the entirety of human history. Yeah, "this loving jungle makes it hard to see the gooks" *sprays badly aimed bullets, hits trees* doesn't mean grunts didn't want to shoot their fellow man out of respect for the sanctity of human life.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Fargo Fukes posted:I was hearing the other day about the U.S. military, about how they overhauled their training programs after discovering that most soldiers don't actually shoot to kill in combat situations. The average person, even when given weapons training, will avoid aiming to kill the enemy and will generally just fire to make noise and suppress because killing someone who isn't about to kill you is actually really loving hard. So the American military (along with most other first-world militaries, I imagine) overhauled their combat training to include a whole bunch of Skinnerian conditioning - training their soldiers to shoot to kill as an automatic, physical response, to fight back before their higher brain functions have time to wonder if they should really be killing people. As a result modern U.S. infantry are pretty loving terrifying. Pro-tip: Most soldiers hate cops, because they loving hated MPs It takes a special kind of petulant child to leave the military and join the police
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