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redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

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Sep 24, 2007

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Endless Mike posted:

Guess I won't be seeing the pics then!

Yeah, I'm not swapping https poo poo just to see some gifs.

It's a small thing, but can't you swap 'em to Imgur like the rest of the internet?

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Sep 24, 2007

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Android Blues posted:

"The Joker has sex with a bunch of prostitutes to celebrate breaking out of Arkham" is exactly the sort of pointless faux-edgy thing that Extra Mature R Rated Animation for Matures seems to invite and which is actually about as developmentally advanced as a thirteen year old boy's notebook scribbles.
It sounds like something out of Azz's own Joker GN.

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Sep 24, 2007

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It's from October, but John Ostrander had some wary opinions on the Killing Joke movie adaptation which are worth a quick read. Of course, he didn't know about the added narrative beats at this time.

If they were going to add a whole bunch of Pre-KJ Barbara stuff to the movie, they should have then included the Ostrander/Yale Barbara recovery story (Oracle: Year One, excerpts below) from Batman Chronicles 5 so theoretically, the movie becomes about the fall and rise of Barbara Gordon, not the fall and then further fall of Barbara Gordon. Is she just laid out in the hospital at the end the end of the movie or what? Do we even go back to her once Bats and Joker laugh together for a bit?



redbackground fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Jul 27, 2016

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Sep 24, 2007

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Black Mage Knight posted:

So does the movie even end with Batman strangling Joker? Because that was kinda part of the point of TKJ (alongside why it was meant to just be a what if story). That alongside exploring Jokers backstory it was showing what it would take for Joker to get Batman to finally kill.
1) You don't need to hide plot points from a book that came out 30 years ago.
2) Those things didn't happen in the book anyway, good job on completely misreading it.

redbackground fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Jul 27, 2016

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Sep 24, 2007

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BravestOfTheLamps posted:

That reading improves the story. Because then Joker really caused Batman to snap, in the perfect way possible.
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Batman has seen countless people killed, some he knew, some he had no connection to, for his entire life, by any number of regular criminals and superfreaks alike, but THIS TIME it's murder'o'clock!

The Arkham games were hit and miss on how they handled certain characters, but they got it absolutely right when at the end of City, Batman says he would still have tried to save Joker's life with the antidote, even after all that had happened.

The Joker causing Batman to snap and start killing is the dumbest and laziest possible story beat.

Black Mage Knight posted:

I apologize for misreading it then. I just always took the sudden stop to laughter to imply a strangling.
Fair enough, but Batman's hands aren't even at Joker's neck, they're shown way down on his upper arms.

redbackground fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Jul 27, 2016

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Sep 24, 2007

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Timeless Appeal posted:

There's nothing on the page to explicitly support it, but it's not an invalid reading.
"I'm squeezing your arms as hard as I can, why are you still breathing?!"

Timeless Appeal posted:

I get Batman not killing, but you know what, let the Joker dying of an illness thing play itself out. It's like if Superman used his X-Ray vision to find out that the Joker had cancer and Batman captured the guy to force chemo treatment on him.
I don't think Batman would do anything like that, as saving the Joker throughout the game is not a goal. If he had heard through the Bat-vine that the Joker was getting sick, he wouldn't actively look for him to escort him to a GP or anything. It's just he wouldn't have kept the antidote to himself if he knew he had the option to administer it.

redbackground fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Jul 27, 2016

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Sep 24, 2007

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Timeless Appeal posted:

I get that for a normal person, but it's more or less a serial killer.
That's kind of the point. Almost anyone else would have gone "Nyaah, good riddance."--literally every other character in the game, honestly, and they'd be happy to say so. However, if it's within his control, Bruce Wayne will try to save you, no matter who you are. You are free to feel that that is a questionable way him to live his life, but that is the choice he made a long time ago, and sticks to.

redbackground fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jul 27, 2016

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Sep 24, 2007

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SonicRulez posted:

The script isn't in the copy of The Killing Joke that I read. That's not really relevant. Same way that the story being canon and Joker being alive is irrelevant. The comic itself leaves the ending ambiguous and open for interpretation. That's all I was saying. Redbackground being all "Lel ur wrong you misread it" is what I took issue with. I think most people here believe Batman didn't kill Joker or interpreted the story that way. It's debatable though in the context of JUST the story and no other supplementary material. It's not like the story doesn't have other moments that are left up in the air.

It's a shoddy interpretation because the panels obviously show a quick progression from friendly tickling to serious make-out session.

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Sep 24, 2007

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BioTech posted:

Wasn't there a comic where a bitter, wheelchair-bound Barbara called out Batman for sharing a laugh with the Joker after he crippled her? I seem to remember a panel where she mentions this and Batman is ashamed or something.
That would be Ostrander and Yale's Oracle Year One, which I mentioned on the last page.

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Sep 24, 2007

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Equilibrium posted:

It's loving terrible, but why did Bolland want to include this story in a book with The Killing Joke?
Well, that's easy. DC often includes unrelated (narratively, that is) stories by the same author in trades to pad them out. For another example, Ed Brubaker's "The Man Who Laughs" contains Bru's completely unrelated Batman/Alan Scott story "Made of Wood" as a B-story. Same reason Neil Gaiman's "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader" includes a bunch other short, unrelated Gaiman Bat-stories.

redbackground fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Jul 28, 2016

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Sep 24, 2007

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Franchescanado posted:

You rock, dude. :hfive: Is this collected in a trade?

Also, the friends I saw TKJ with mentioned that there's a Batgirl story where some of the other superheroine's invite her out for a girl's night, which he agrees to hesitantly only to have one of the best nights if her life, which takes place the night before the events of TKJ.

I haven't read it, but they said it's an a amazing short story, and really makes you love Barbara as a person, and with some tweaking (Bats telling Barb she needs a night off) would have been a great first act and made the story more tragic without changing characters or actual plot points.

That would be Brave and the Bold #33 by Straczynski, which he wrote just before he shat the bed on both the Superman and Wonder Woman titles. Your friends are mistaken, it's more tacky than anything.

redbackground fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jul 29, 2016

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Sep 24, 2007

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SonicRulez posted:

Zatanna has some kind of half premonition that something awful is going to happen to Babs, so they go out. I think Wonder Woman is there too. They dance a poo poo ton.

"Don't see any reason to try and prevent whatever tragedy is coming up, we'll just dance and poo poo for a night and then leave her be! You're on your own, Babs, nothing we can do! Bruce can just tell us what happened tomorrow. LET'S GET DRINKIN BITCHESSSSS"

redbackground fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Jul 29, 2016

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Sep 24, 2007

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TFRazorsaw posted:

Adam West sounds like he's Bat-phoning it in.

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Sep 24, 2007

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deong posted:

Here is a better trailer for the adam west batman.
Ahhh those super-thin black lines on the character models make them look so bad.

The "rue" line was funny though waaugh wah wah wah

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Sep 24, 2007

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TwoPair posted:

It's not hard to have better writing than Arkham Knight.

Some military fiction guy wrote Knight and boy does it show.

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Sep 24, 2007

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Dexie posted:

I know the newspaper strip is absolutely rubbish, but...was Garfield and Friends any good? I REMEMBER it being good, but nostalgia is a hell of a drug, and I don't think I want to go back and try rewatching the show to find out.

U.S. Acres can gently caress right off.

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Sep 24, 2007

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Professor Wayne posted:

Garfield Halloween episode rules, though.

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Sep 24, 2007

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That's good stuff. Love the Superman-Joker-face-catch.

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Sep 24, 2007

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Best Constantine is the one that doesn't actually perform any magic at all, so seeing him throwing fireballs and pentagrams and poo poo is a big fat disappointment. Leave that poo poo for Zatanna.

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Sep 24, 2007

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Reinanigans posted:

You have the worst goddamn taste lmao
Siding with Lurdy here.

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Sep 24, 2007

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Lurdiak posted:

Yeah basically this is the most likely issue. And it's important to remember that the TNG blu-rays sold for poo poo because people would rather watch the 4:3 un-remastered version on netflix than have to like... buy a blu-ray set and like, put it in their blu-ray player. The push for more fidelity is well and truly dead now that the people have spoken and they want convenience and low prices instead. A BTAS blu-ray would be competing with past releases, and only the most die-hard fans would go for it.
Also, ST:TNG sets were always ridiculously expensive and the people who bought the series one time already probably weren't too stoked about buying it all over again.'

Also, buying tv shows on disc lol

Also, I thought ST:TNG on netflix was the remastered version.

redbackground fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Feb 22, 2017

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Sep 24, 2007

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haitfais posted:

If they want to, yes. No one would have a problem with Hamill or Conroy giving it their all until they can't give no more, but they've tried to retire more than once and their more recent work doesn't really hold up compared to their older work. It doesn't feel like their hearts are in it anymore, and if that's the case they should probably move on for reals.
I would not include Arkham Knight in that statement; that's some of Hamill's best work.

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Sep 24, 2007

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ToastyPotato posted:

So looking it up, the animated version of Phantasm never appeared outside of the DCAU (and associated comics)? I see that there are other characters called Phantasm, but not specifically this one.

She popped back in during JLU's "Epilogue" in flashback.

e: misread your question--you are correct

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Sep 24, 2007

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ToastyPotato posted:

I don't think dancing has ever been good on a non-comedy/non-musical cartoon.

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purple death ray posted:

I think every so often you have to have Catwoman do something obviously criminal just to keep her on the fence of "anti hero" because otherwise she ends up well on the side of good guy, and I feel like it's better for her character to be distanced from that.

Kind-of-sort-of-related, but how did that whole thing end up with her maybe killing a whole bunch of people in one of the Batman comics recently? (I don't know really any more details than that)

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BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Wasn't that a hoax?

Don't think so.

http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Gotham_High

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Sep 24, 2007

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SonicRulez posted:

However, I also like that BTAS just plunges into Batman. No need to spend an episode (or worse, a two parter) on The Waynes being shot.
Going in whole-hog with a goddamn Man-Bat episode, no less. Bless them.

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Sep 24, 2007

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NikkolasKing posted:

What did people here think of the Red Hood movie? i saw it years ago and I remember liking it. I'm making my way through Batman everything, for the time being its animated stuff and I was thinking I'd re-watch the movie along with my first re-watch of TAS in...uh, I don't think I ever watched all of TAS, actually.

It was OK. I have never felt the need to rewatch it, but I guess I'm glad I watched it in the first place.

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purple death ray posted:

I guess different strokes and all that but I think personally if you don't absolutely love Nicholson as the Joker you're a crazy bastard with no taste

It's cool and all, but I just wish he wasn't so pudgy.

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Sep 24, 2007

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VolticSurge posted:

And then,knowing how edgy DC Comics are, Joker probably wound up killing that guy anyway.

He did not.

I mean, it's Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader, so it's a standalone tale, but give Gaiman some credit.

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Reinanigans posted:

I haven't watched B:TAS since I was a kid, but I saw that it's on Prime video.

I think the easier question is to ask which episodes I should avoid. I just watched the one where Bruce loses his memory and ends up on a chain gang. I remember always liking that episode, and it still held up.

The Batwing never looked better than in that episode.

Yeah, Basement sucks, I think one one with Penguin taking over the Batmobile was pretty bad, the one with the space cult was pretty lame and the terrible animation didn't help, and whatever episodes Red Claw was the villain are worth skipping.

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Sep 24, 2007

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bunnyofdoom posted:

IIRC they originally were some jobbers max lord hired for booster gold to defeat to get into the JLI

That did happen, but they're from the late 60s originally.

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Based purely off the way Spider-Man moved his legs around while running and spinning around, his secret identity must be Dean Venture.

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