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teagone posted:After the panel gave a response to a fan's question, saying that they felt Babs was still a strong female character in the film, I think the audience member sarcastically/mockingly blurted out, "yeah, by using sex and pining for Bruce" or something to that effect. Which is not really an insult at all, and a valid point. A pretty silly thing to get mad about. If he heard any of it at all, it shouldn't have angered him to the point of an outburst.
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Jul 25, 2016 21:18
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Timeless Appeal posted:See, Paul Dini was smart. He just went ahead and literally married Zatanna and got all of his fanboy weirdness out of his system. Was he the one with the website that had the semi/mostly-nude cartoon women or was that Timm? Dini is the one with the DCAU drawing style right?
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Jul 25, 2016 22:16
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His artwork was fine, but taken into this new creepy context, I start to wonder if his drawings were less about "Art" and more about "pleasure".
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Jul 25, 2016 22:36
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Ultimately, we can cringe and call out the creepiness all we want, but these guys know their audience. This is the industry that continues shoving very large breasted, half naked women in sexy poses whenever they get the chance, regardless if it makes any sense at all, and when called on it, consistently jump through hoops trying to justify it, all while any mature discussion is drowned out by whining manchildren who feel threatened that people are trying to take away their fap material.
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Jul 26, 2016 21:42
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Franchescanado posted:And by cringing and calling out the creepiness and pointing fingers and making the creators jump through their hoops, we are doing our part to make future Batgirls less cockthirsty, and better stories for the fans, slowly but surely. Hey man, I'm with you. It's just tiresome at this point.  At least this is mostly on DC now these days though. So maybe we've accomplished SOMETHING?
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Jul 26, 2016 22:19
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Franchescanado posted:Here's an interesting idea: Because the comic industry is still filled with creepy dudes who fantasize about cartoon women in creepy sexualized situations.
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Jul 26, 2016 23:43
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JT Smiley posted:I had a co-worker tell me she loved the movie yesterday, even said the sex scene was hot. No joke, her exact words. Did she like 50 Shades of Grey? Because lots of women did. Also Twilight, both of which were filled with some bad relationship ideals.
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Jul 27, 2016 03:04
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Suspension of disbelief is necessary to enjoy comics, but at the same time, it really should only be applied to matters of science (such as biology, physics, etc.) There's nothing wrong with questioning morality, ethics, and general decision making and having those things be obstacles for enjoyment.
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Jul 28, 2016 19:50
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SonicRulez posted:A Batgirl Year one movie would probably be pretty rad. I wish they had done that instead. In a perfect world, sure, but with the team of people they have now, I'd rather they just leave that alone.
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Jul 29, 2016 17:27
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Skwirl posted:I love that Batman blows that up and the sequels have all these panning cityscapes that really point out he never rebuilt it. To be fair, they gave up in Rises, and just used a completely untouched NYC for the wide shots. Which is really jarring if you are familiar with NYC at all.
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Jul 29, 2016 22:55
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I only knew TDK was Chicago because people mentioned it online. I figured most people have probably seen sweeping shots of NYC enough, from a million shows and movies, to recognize it. If they had at least tried to keep it to the East River, it might have worked out, but there are some clear shots of just flat out Manhattan, IIRC, and that is kind of nuts because Manhattan is like the one part of NYC that most people around the world are going to recognize. Such a weird thing for them to give no fucks about. And even if someone had never seen NYC in their life, it looks so radically different than the previous two films that it is still really jarring. (The wide shots.)
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Jul 29, 2016 23:10
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What was the reason for saying "Gotham is literally just NYC now." As opposed to the other films?
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Jul 29, 2016 23:26
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Lurdiak posted:I thought only Begins really made Gotham look distinct. They really gave it this... anachronistic turn of the century look. Like it looked like what people in the early 1900s thought the big cities would shape up to be. Yeah I really liked the look of Gotham in Begins. Those movies had enough of a budget that it was kind of disappointing to see them drop the idea of making Gotham a some what distinct city.
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Jul 30, 2016 00:14
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McSpanky posted:At least that has precedent, Metropolis in Superman: The Movie was very blatantly New York plus a model of the Daily Planet globe. I think he even flies by the Statue of Liberty and the Empire State Building in those bluescreened helicopter pans. Yeah but from Batman 89 forward to Begins, they at least tried to create original city scapes. So it's weird to go back to "aww gently caress it, just use a real city for the wides" after all those years. Especially since, if anything, the technology probably makes it easier and maybe even cheaper to make a fake city (even more so in a Batman film like Nolan's where we only see the city for establishing shots, as opposed to a movie with people flying all over the place.)
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Jul 30, 2016 04:37
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Kurzon posted:But is this a bad thing? In a vacuum where there are no sexist attitudes toward women in the industry or in society in general, no. But in the context of the real world, yes it is bad because it is dumb that it keeps happening and is accepted as the norm. It is a pretty unhealthy way to treat 50% of the population of the planet.
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Aug 1, 2016 21:42
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:The batman status quo is mega stupid It is the same template for 99% of superhero books so singling it out is kind of silly.
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Aug 2, 2016 00:18
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ImpAtom posted:I think the major difference is that 99% of superhero books don't play the "why doesn't (x) kill (y)" game which is, while certainly not exclusive to Batman, a lot more heavily emphasized in Batman. So it makes the status quo feel dumber because they keep lampshading it. Fair enough. I guess that is what happens when a series is a lightning rod for grim dark stories and villains who are so dark that we have to keep upping the ante on how dark they can be, all the while the main hero, who is also grim and dark, has a core philosophy to never kill. It took a minute to realize how murderous Batman's rogues gallery is.
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Aug 2, 2016 00:24
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Lurdiak posted:I guess it's just "poo poo on Lurdiak to make ourselves feel better" time, again. I'm used to it. It's almost as if people reacted to a lovely post you made. Imagine a world where you didn't make lovely posts and no one shat on you for it. I'm not even trying to dog pile here dude. You literally flipped out and started swearing and name calling because you got mad that someone called you out on a kind of lovely post. Maybe instead of getting used to it, you should look inward and realize that maybe the problem is something you are doing wrong, if it is happening that often. Or don't' and get poo poo on. Either way don't whine about. No one forces you to post.
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Aug 2, 2016 16:39
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Lurdiak posted:Yeah I guess I coulda been less snippy too. Waking up after a lovely night's sleep to being called "the worst poster on the forum" is a bad way to start the day. Dogpiling probably would have been just making fun of you. Which I didn't really do. Just pointing out that you over reacted and then wanted to act like some innocent victim. Kurzon posted:Well, I'm glad you don't read newspapers because lovely things like what happens to Barbara happens all the time. People hate on Alan Moore the same way people hate on God for letting bad things happen to people who don't deserve it. People were pretty mad about the Sansa thing because it didn't happen in the books apparently. I'm not sure what "it happens in the real world: has to do with anything we are discussing. Neither Game of Thrones nor Batman are the real world, so writers choosing to use women as nothing but emotional props for male characters is problematic and no one's fault but their own.
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Aug 2, 2016 16:46
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SonicRulez posted:I don't get why they thought that video game would be the best way to tell that story. Looking at it, Nightwing is in the game, so it can't even be in the middle very much. The entire show was basically murdered by marketing and execs worried about merchandising.
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Aug 14, 2016 17:13
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Android Blues posted:Seven seasons? Yowza. Well looking at the given that YJ had issues with selling toys, it seems to me that the point of a time skip with a new cast and a tie in video game meant to bridge the gap is to sell other things, and is not the kind of thing that TV writers would come up with. If these guys were passionate enough to plan out years of stories, I don't see them going, "and then we just get rid of the old cast and make people buy a video game that we farm out to some lovely company if they want this part of the our story, then we can have all these new characters who we won't have time to develop."
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Aug 14, 2016 19:05
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I hope it looks like the cheap faux-anime all their current animated movies do!
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Aug 17, 2016 17:27
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So the hot new rumor is that Netflix has indeed approached the Young Justice producers about a possible 3rd season, due to the good performance of the show after it was added tot he service. If you remember, some of the people were asking that fans show support by watching the show on Netflix. None of this is confirmed as far as I know, but it is an interesting rumor for the time being.
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Aug 23, 2016 17:07
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Weisman just shot down the Netflix rumor on Twitter so oh well.
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DC didn't adopt the current style until Justice League: WAR
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Aug 26, 2016 01:35
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:They should give Young Justice a third season so this art style can just stay contained in that show. What's sad was that YJ probably had higher quality animation than most of the DC movies since WAR.
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Aug 26, 2016 04:12
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Android Blues posted:In general, I've felt that recent DC movies' attempts to be adult have been more embarrassing than anything else. They usually amount to someone calling someone a bitch two or three times a movie and maybe some blood. It's like, would Batman Beyond have been improved if Terry occasionally called Inque a bitch? That's the approach being taken here. Well Paul Dini wrote Arkham City didn't he? That game calls Catwoman a bitch while you play her almost literally every couple of minutes. So in general, yes, DC's idea of making mature content is generally to throw in the word bitch, some blood, and some tits and rear end.
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Aug 27, 2016 16:36
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hup posted:Was Dini still there for City? Thought he just did Asylum. I looked it up and there's an interview with him about writing City. Pretty much no one from the first two worked on Origins though. Funnily enough, I thought Origins had better writing than the first two. Probably even better than Knight.
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Aug 27, 2016 17:38
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It's probably data driven with regards to kid's attention spans. It also let's them spread a normal half hour's worth of content over 2 days instead of 1. Some shows will do double new episodes, but usually it is one new and one repeat if they double up at all. And if you do this once a week you can either have a normal season of material last longer than normal, or you can cut the content down but keep the season length generally the same.
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Aug 29, 2016 22:25
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I guess Ultimate Spider-Man is done, so they are rebooting it again with a new series based on the adventures of a young Peter Parker called Marvel's Spider-Man.
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Oct 8, 2016 22:38
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SMASH ended too right? The only hold overs to the old animated universe at this point would be GotG and Avengers, which I can see ending before Infinity War hits theaters. GotG is the only real problem, unless I am mistaken and it isn't part of the grouped shows.
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Oct 8, 2016 23:21
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:They just announced season 4 and 2 of those (AA: Secret Wars) and apparently the Captain Marvel of AA (her hair is so HIDEOUS) shows up in season 2 of GotG, so that's connected. Maybe Secret Wars will be used as a way to transition into a new animated universe. But I am likely giving them way too much credit. How dope would it be if they did a cross over with older cartoons though? They probably don't have the rights for that. 
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Oct 8, 2016 23:38
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:AA manages to be the blandest, nothing-est cartoon on their stable, to the point where Ms. Marvel showed up on screen heavily for a whole episode and it was still a yawn-fest, I don't doubt for a second that whatever happens won't be as interesting as it could be on paper. Disney simply does not deem it financially viable to spend money on TV or DTV animation for Marvel properties, so it gets bottom of the barrel production value. They have little reason to suspect that they'd get enough of a return on investment for those sort of things to warrant spending big. They figure kids will watch it, or they won't, how well it is animated won't increase merch sales. It's depressing.
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Oct 9, 2016 00:57
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SonicRulez posted:Does every Spider-Man adaptation have to start with geeky 16 year old Peter trying to work up the courage to talk to Gwen Stacy or whatever? Well to be fair, that is where the character's origin is, but also it's good for selling toys when your hero is also a kid.
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Oct 9, 2016 01:02
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Skwirl posted:In the comics Peter Parker was in college and living on his own (in an apartment with Harry Osborn that was subsidized by Norman Osborn) when he met Gwen Stacy. I meant his origins were in high school. So that is what makes it appealing, especially for cartoons. I wish we could at least start at college/Daily Bugle Parker just because all of his famous stories are from that time or later, but I get why they keep resetting, there aren't very many young heroes who have huge potential brand recognition. SonicRulez posted:I guess the meat of my question is "Do we always have to start at the beginning?" Considering BTAS is still the pillar of animated superhero series, I'm continually confused by the answer "Yes." More likely to appeal to kids if the main character is younger. That's really all it is. They already have a bunch of adult heroes, so having a kid one covers their bases and gets kids more interested.
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FilthyImp posted:Kind of interesting the 90s spideyseries had him as a college kid at ESU True, but the last two, and the upcoming one have Peter as a kid. The upcoming film has him at his youngest so far for live action. And most of the most popular kids cartoons and shows today feature kids as the main character.
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Oct 9, 2016 18:34
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Monaghan posted:Maybe they'll pull some stuff from slott's spider verse in the new series. I'd imagine the new series is an attempt to refocus on classic stories and a more simplified continuity than the current series, which from the get go was basically a team up show with built in cross overs with Avengers Assemble. It also gives them a chance to re-align the show with the upcoming new film.
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Oct 11, 2016 20:25
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Reinanigans posted:I hope it has nothing to do with the new movie, because being beholden to the movie continuity will make the show much more constrained on what they can and can't use in terms of rogues and other characters that may not have been introduced in the movies. None of the cartoons have ever been beholden to the MCU continuity. But they do draw some aesthetics from them. I'd imagine the new character designs will be close to the new status quo set by the reboot film.
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I'm happy. Hopefully it is decent. They have had a lot of time to take in the criticisms and pull out a solid third season. And considering the considerable lack of decent DC animate series, I'll take what I can get.
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