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Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010


Kirby dreams about golf?

Kirby's Dream Course is a 1994 spinoff in the Kirby franchise, a series about a pink circle that can copy the powers of enemies he eats, and boy can that pink circle eat a lot! The plot (yes there is one) is that the nefarious King Dedede has decided to change tactics in his mad quest to take over Dream Land, and has challenged Kirby to a game of Golf, the rules of which mandate that no eating is allowed on the course. How diabolical! And due to the lack of any golf balls, Kirby must become the ball! (I'm pretty sure that's the plot...)

The combination of Kirby elements such as the copy abilities and the simplistic rules of mini-golf make this game very much memorable and enjoyable to this day. I forget if it's on the Virtual Console, and they never made any sequel or remake, nor are there any ROM hacks, which I would fully welcome. I need more Golf in my life.

That's why I'm playing another semi-related game along with it.

What's a Tee Shot and why is it Special?

Special Tee Shot is a game that was in development at one point until HAL decided to retool it into Kirby's Dream Course. A couple years later, they decided to release the original, non-Kirby game on the Satellaview, Nintendo's primitive, satellite-based precursor to services like Steam and XBLA. Naturally, it was only available in Japan. There seem to be absolutely no playthroughs of Special Tee Shot, which is a shame - though I consider Kirby's Dream Course to be the superior game, Special Tee Shot is a pretty crazy game in its own right.

You're getting Hole-in-ones on every hole, right?

Do I look that crazy to you?

Videos ahead

Kirby's Dream Course
Course 1
Course 2
Course 3
Course 4
Course 5
Course 6
Course 7
Course 8 + DeDeDe

Extra Course 1 and 2
Extra Course 3 and 4
Extra Course 5 and 6
Extra Course 7 and 8

TAS Commentary

Special Tee Shot
Beginner Course
Amateur Course
Pro Course
Master Course
Extra 1
Extra 2
Extra 3
Extra 4
Gold

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Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010
Kirby's Dream Course, Course 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjtK7V5-z-s

And if you think it's just Kirby that gets the crazy hole-in-ones, there's plenty in the other game, too!

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010
Special Tee Shot, Amateur Course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6rEf1xie7Y

Sometimes you just have to point and shoot without worrying too much in this game, I suppose.

Black Balloon posted:

What's really striking to me as I watch the game now is how the level intros are really good about suggesting the functionality of mechanics that aren't made immediately obvious by the levels themselves. As simplistic as the game is on the surface, it really gives the impression that there was a massive amount of editing and review that went into this game.

Some of the abilities even have properties that come in handy that even the developers probably didn't consider. It's really a great game to go back to every now and again. I'm surprised we don't have dozens of ROM hacks of it despite the existence of a level editor.

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Carbon dioxide posted:

In Special Tee Shot, is it possible to come to a complete stop in the area that has the 'waves' going on, where the game gives you control again, but then a wave comes out and pushes you off anyway?

In either game, when you stop in the path of a moving obstacle, the game won't give you control until the obstacle moves you to a place that isn't in the path of a moving obstacle.

In other words, that wave is going to move you, Gordo is going to impale you, and Kracko is going to zap you. Jerks!

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010
Oddly enough, the last Kirby game I actually liked was Canvas Curse. It's weird when everything except the core part of the series is what I'm enjoying most.

Kirby's Dream Course - Course 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fago_iEMSSY

EDIT: Okay I am getting extremely lucky with the video thumbnails, how does that keep happening?

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010
Special Tee Shot - Pro Course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3NOW61GG_A

I didn't mention it in the video, but someone has gotten that glass panel obstacle to softlock by getting the ball stuck in an endless bounce loop. Good thing that's rare.

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Captain Hygiene posted:

What effect does starting underwater have - just reduced power or something else? It's tough to really see any difference just from watching the video.

Not just reduced, power, you know how there's that little meter that bounces between top and back spin when you make a chip shot? If you're in a hazard it doubles in speed.

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Optimus_Rhyme posted:

I love the kirby game. I use to play it on my commute until I could hole in one every single level including the bonus levels. Also if you haven't seen the game grumps play the vs levels its loving hilarious.

I agree, being bad at video games is great.

Kirby's Dream Course - Course 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOMxDSxN52k

There was an audio balancing problem in the recording. I believe I've fixed it so let me know if the audio is off or anything.

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Y-Hat posted:

Tornado had a revival of sorts in mid-2000s Kirby games thanks to Nightmare in Dreamland (the Kirby's Adventure remake). It appeared in The Amazing Mirror, Squeak Squad, and Return to Dreamland.

Good to know. What about Ball power?

Special Tee Shot - Master Course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv7xBRIFUDo

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Rollersnake posted:

I loved Kirby's Dream Course as a kid, though I found it extremely frustrating, and evidently was never good enough to unlock courses 5-8, as this is the first I've heard of them.

You should show off the 2P mode in all its friendship-ending glory.

What did you think the numbers one through eight on the file select screen were for??

I definitely want to do the 2P mode. However, that requires a 2P. Anyone know what the best netplay options for SNES are?

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Y-Hat posted:

If you don't count Kirby's Pinball Land and Kirby's Block Ball, it was only in Kirby's Adventure (and Nightmare in Dreamland, the GBA remake).

It really is the spinoffs in this franchise that are more interesting to me than much else.

Kirby's Dream Course, Course 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVfCLEojT5I

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Rollersnake posted:

Hole 7 here looks like the rage-quittingest hole so far. Yikes.

I'd certainly have ragequit trying to hole-in-one it. And who knows what the other parts of the game are going to be like.

Special Tee Shot - Extra 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGOru8Xc9xM

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010
Must. Avoid. Schedule Slip.

Kirby's Dream Course - Course 6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPHZpB8sTPA

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Captain Hygiene posted:

I imagine some of the holes take a while to figure out the hole-in-one strategies, or to practice the technique to pull off the strategy. Does the game ever give you the option to pick out individual holes to practice, or is it one of those "it's your only new game this year, might as well play each course 5000 times" kind of things?

There's a level select feature.

Unlocked when you get Gold on every course.

Huh. That must be how Nintendo Power got Stone power on a hole you physically can't have it on.

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Captain Hygiene posted:

My exact thought as well.

In other news, I somehow missed that Dream Course went up on 3DS virtual console just a few days after this thread started: http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/kirbys-dream-course-3ds
I think I know what my next VC game will be.

That's awesome. Maybe sales of the VC version will convince them to do a sequahahaha they'd never do that

Special Tee Shot - Extra Course 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXVAeHMnvpU

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Lizard Wizard posted:

Well it's not official, but there's a romhack to the tune of about 150 custom holes.

HOLY MARX.

....bullshit I wanted to be the first to make a KDC hack...that's what my laziness gets me...

Maybe I ought to blind LP this when the original game is overwith?

EDIT: It's apparently 2-player only. Great idea.

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Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Ultra Spoot posted:

Yeah that romhack was specifically made for game grumps to play on their channel

They'll never finish it if they do. I've seen them play.

Kirby's Dream Course - Course 7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAmSqDnmT5Y

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010
On the last page it was mentioned that it shows up in at least one other game I didn't know about. Kinda wish it'd show up again though.

Special Tee Shot - Extra Course 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMEardVfYwQ

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010
Caution: Amazing shots ahead.

Kirby's Dream Course - Course 8 + DeDeDe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZSjwgLp4AQ

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Manic_Misanthrope posted:

Good lord that course is just merciless. Especially that hole 5.

Extra Course 8 is even worse. I had to run it many times to get a Gold Medal, and the successful run that you'll see comes down to the wire. But I'm getting ahead of myself.

Special Tee Shot - Extra 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5a-Vwmfcis

That leaves one more Special Tee Shot video and the Extra courses in Kirby's Dream Course, so now I just need someone to do the multiplayer with if I'm going to show that off.

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Captain Hygiene posted:

Man, what a disappointing boss fight, it just seems kinda short and awkwardly shoehorned in. At least the last few levels running up to it looked pretty great. Does the eighth hole actually require much skill or is it just a showy way to end the course?

Some thought is required to work out how the final hole plays out. After that it's a matter of timing certain button presses - you don't need to move the Tornado or UFO, or even hit A, so it's not a big skill requirement.

Captain Hygiene posted:

Exactly - I haven't played through the game yet on VC, but the boss fight just looks aggravating if you haven't figured it out and boringly trivial once you know what to do. Oh well, at least the rest of the game is neat.

The good news is you technically never need to bother with it - the game never saves after completing it (to my knowledge, that is. You unlock Extra Mode when you get the final gold medal, not when you beat Dedede.)

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010
Special Tee Shot - Gold Course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnQ7IJJyhWo

I say in the video that your score on this course does not matter but I'm not 100% on that. The final screen actually flashes if you wait long enough but I don't know if that's due to my score? I can test it later I guess.

Glad to be done with that game though. The final holes were a little annoying to work with.

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010
Aaah, I hate being distracted by other stuff. But, it's time for Extra mode!

Kirby's Dream Course - Extra Course 1 and 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJxTGydog0s

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010
Kirby's Dream Course - Extra Course 3 and 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OPI8tC9_-E

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

bbcisdabomb posted:

There we go, that's the Kirby's Dream Course I remember. Making crazy shots and missing by thiiiiiiis much.

I'll never get tired of it. It just...it keeps happening.

Kirby's Dream Course - Extra Course 5 and 6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6bKHtVVU3Q

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Carbon dioxide posted:

Doesn't Dedede move slightly faster in extra mode?

I tested this by entering both battles and timing how long it takes him to get to the green line: about 22 seconds in both battles. So unless he gets faster at low health in Extra mode, there's no difference between the two modes here.

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

HomestarCanter posted:

Would you consider making a commentary video for the TAS of this game, once you've covered everything else you plan to do? Either going into minute detail about the strategy, or just saying "holy poo poo" every thirty seconds, I'm not picky.

That sounds like a good idea. The TAS would be great for showing hole-in-ones I missed.

Kirby's Dream Course - Extra Course 7 and 8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8qDXFDCIlc

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010
Kirby's Dream Course TAS Blind Commentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soR8mZlb4Pk

Take note that the TAS is over an hour. If you're only interested in the highlights, see Course 3, Course 6, and Course 8. Overall a really great TAS and you should totally watch it with or without commentary. (The Extra Courses really feel like they're phoned in when you watch the TAS and see many of the same tricks out there for the second round.)

The original TAS is found here: http://tasvideos.org/Game/snes-kirbys-dream-course.html I used SNES9X 1.51 to view it, I ran into desync with 1.54.

And that will definitely conclude the Kirby's Dream Course/Special Tee Shot LP! Thanks to everyone who stuck around for it!

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Carbon dioxide posted:

Also, according to the TAS author comments: "In extra mode, Kirby deals half as much damage to Dedede".

You know what that means? It proves I'm NOT CRAZY! There IS a difference!

No, see, what you said was:

Carbon dioxide posted:

Doesn't Dedede move slightly faster in extra mode?

"Faster". Nothing about damage :)

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Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

SkyTalon2314 posted:

This type of thing definitely isn't unheard of in old games of the era, and there's plenty of others that can do screwy things with memory allocation. (See the Pokemon Glitch Exhibition for examples of how ridiculous it can get)

I remember that thread. The guy who made it is a pretty cool guy.

Anyhow, that's really cool that the demo mode winds up being used for a trick. I wonder if you can use that in another hole...I suppose the TAS would have done it if you could, but still.

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