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Spoilers: Redhead is not, in fact, the main heroine. A few books in, if you think about all the character scenes and development that had happened, this becomes apparent if you stop and think about it. Basically, she gets no development whatsoever until book 7ish. Which is apparently where the teased scene for next episode is from. I'm also somewhat amused that people thought he should have trouble in this fight. It is literally a mediocre captain trying to bully some cadets in what he considers a practice exercise with a foregone conclusion. By the time he realized the other side was treating it as an actual battle, he was far out of position and off-balance -and it's not like his troops themselves were particularly better. If Ikta had serious difficulty with this fight after those sorts of advantages, it'd be kind of hard to even remotely realistically portray him as a threat if they ever do come up against an actual heavily skilled enemy commander. There are plenty of issues with this work, both inherent to the LN itself and added in the anime, but the number of things people who watched only the first episode then claimed they "clearly" knew what was coming was hilariously stupid..
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ninjewtsu posted:it'd be cool if he got to fight someone who wasn't a mediocre captain, was what i was saying. It's still basic training, and a war seems to be imminent (or already started). All the known officers with significant strategic/tactical skills have almost certainly been pulled to active fronts, or at the very least to an equivalent to the US War College. Any such major challenge would have only occurred if they were introducing some sort of rival on the same side. Hell, if you want to get into fine details, Yatori herself is almost as good as him at tactics, as well as all the topics she beats him in. It's just that she wasn't in charge, and the one who was basically ignored all advice he was being given. As for the other point, mainly just skimming the various major anime blog and review sites on the net. Don't think I've ever touched reddit. Just stuff like you can clearly see the harem forming (What harem? The girl he seems to have had a perfectly platonic relationship with forever, with no signs of it changing? Or the girl he seems to be mildly creeping out?) or how his womanizing is clearly supposed to come off as funny and a positive trait (...Yeah, not even touching that one). But yes, ultimately it is something of a power fantasy - just one well within mostly believable levels for me. And yes, there are truly dangerous tacticians on other sides, both within the Empire and out, it just takes a while to get to there. And the author does seem to follow a natural progression for new cadets, so the military is hardly going to send completely fresh officers onto a perceived truly dangerous front. Whether we get there, given just how slow the show is going (5 episodes for the first book, likely the same for the second), is up for debate. edit: I get what you're saying, but in some ways him getting challenged at this specific point would have come off as even more unbelievable - just added for that exact reason. Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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That's some... interesting screenwriting going on. Take four episodes to adapt the first book, randomly adapt some character development from book 7 as the fifth episode, then move right into the second book with this episode while skipping possibly THE MOST IMPORTANT SCENE IN THE ENTIRE FIRST BOOK - the one that sets the stage for everything that happens after that. I'm actually somewhat suspicious of the director now. I cannot see them not eventually showing that scene, simply because it IS the most important one, but by shifting it somewhere else and tossing episode 5 in, they've completely screwed up objective character importance. Major spoilers mixed in: Ultimately, Chamille is the main heroine, not Yatorishino. Yatorishino served as a decoy main heroine until the seventh book, having a significant amount of facetime, but if one actually looked at the overall plotline as a whole one might have noticed an interesting trend. Specifically, every other character, whether it be Ikta, Chamille, Haro, Matthew, Torway, or even some side characters, all received significant amounts of character development over time, but Yatori never did - she was an almost completely static character until the seventh book. She does indeed receive character development, a significant amount at that, as well as background between her and Ikta in the seventh - but in terms of her plot importance it doesn't matter, because by the end of the book she is DEAD. And dead in the "took multiple bullets to center mass and bled to death," so there's no "never saw the body" possibility. There apparently was a decent amount of outcry over the end of the seventh - though whether it was legitimately a decent amount or just a vocal minority I've no clue(I suspect the minority) - as the author had done something they hadn't expected. They felt that "clearly" the prominent redhead was the main heroine and love interest, and exploded when book 7 happened and the author did stuff they didn't expect. This is what I'm actually suspicious of - that the director may have been one of those butthurt readers or, more cynically (and probably more likely), that the producer wanted it rewritten to theoretically get extra sales since they're almost assuredly not going to get any further seasons - and thus never get to a point in the main plot where changing this stuff around will bite them.
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dmboogie posted:I dunno, I haven't read the books but dismissing complaints about that as just being "butthurt", especially accusing the director of that seems kinda weird. Yatori owns bones and imo absolutely should be the main heroine (not a love interest, tho) so I'm honestly not complaining about this. Having opposite-gendered main characters that have a deep, platonic bond without any romance isn't the most common thing in anime, and the relationship between Yatori and Ikta is honestly most of what kept my interesting in the show up to this point. In all seriousness, after slightly more reflection I doubt the director as well and heavily suspect it's more towards that second reason. As for everything else, you have a point that developing them isn't necessarily a bad thing, one I tend to agree with, which is why I wasn't actually bringing this up after the last episode. I was waiting for this one to see if they actually showed the crucial scene - and they didn't, either removing it entirely or pushing it back to some undefined point in the future. That was what set off the alarm, as it's not really one that should have been pushed to the end of the series - which is presumably what they're doing with it now. One other thing, and that is that presentation of the story in an adaptation can radically affect the audience who starts with the adaptation rather than the original work. Like, you mentioned that the only thing keeping your interest is the relationship between Yatori and Ikta, but I can tell you they've been cutting scenes and both emphasizing and de-emphasizing traits of certain characters. Which can radically change how characters or events come off.
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