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Feb 19, 2007


Acebuckeye13 posted:

I still have to catch up on the last ten pages of the last thread :negative:

Can't believe I've been posting in these fuckin' things for nearly 6 years now.

Edit: For context, I was finishing up my last year in high school when I first posted on page 47 of the original thread. I've since just finished grad school with a degree in museum education, and I'm starting a paid internship at Air and Space next week.

Time flies when you're having tankchat :v:

I thought the first was a generalized GBS history thread that started in '08 or so. If I remember right Admiral Snackbar's thread links to it in his OP.

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Feb 19, 2007


See if you can dig up any tours of the Zone Rouge or Zone Jaune, the former frontline areas of the First World War.

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Feb 19, 2007


xthetenth posted:

If I want to do effort posts about carriers, none of you lot care if I do it in order, right?

Next time on the History Channel: Aircraft Carriers of the Renaissance! Did you know that Leonardo da Vinci proposed not just heavier-than-air flight and submarines, but submarines capable of carrying aircraft, as early as 1482, more than 500 years before the Imperial Japanese Navy? Were Japanese planners reading Da Vinci's secret notebooks in 1935? More next Tuesday at 1:30pm/2:30PST!

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Feb 19, 2007


Cyrano4747 posted:

Actually GPW lets just get this done now. Your fired, clear out your desk and give your materials to Archangel to unfuck.

Wait no no no! Come on man, I'll find a way to work truckers into it!

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Feb 19, 2007


Pellisworth posted:

I PM'd you on this, to end the derail I agree. I've taken classes from Albert White Hat and he didn't know the etymologies of some words, particularly relating to cosmology, mythology, and religion. He would say "the elders told me its name was X, which I think is a contraction of Y."

Please don't. I know this isn't really directly related to milhist but it's really interesting and I kinda doubt a Lakota linguistics a/t would survive for long. Unless you were able to make it a general culture/ethnography thing...


Pellisworth posted:

America is a couple centuries behind Europe on realizing the magical properties of human fat.

We're catching up, though!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9oUhZvCC18

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Feb 19, 2007


Polyakov posted:

That gentleman is talking crap, it's really really hard to create enough overpressure to do real damage outside of an enclosed space without using a large bomb. People don't die from grenade overpressure in open spaces but from fragmentation, and the explosive force of those is much more than the effect of a cannon round passing by, otherwise you'd see more ground effect along their flight path. Hell you don't see honest to God tank rounds doing much other than kicking up dust on a miss.

Could the overpressure be enough to throw off someone's balance? Cause him to fall down instead of a planned "hit the dirt" dive response? That could result in a lot of false kills.

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Feb 19, 2007


lenoon posted:


I've got another between the wars Labour foreign policy post to do - but should I copy the previous one over here? I think it ended up on the last page.

It's probably a good idea. I'm just one goon but I missed a lot from the last couple pages and it wouldn't hurt to have it repeated.

:justpost:

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Feb 19, 2007


I Heard Somewhere* that mail, although more labor-intensive than segmentata or similar armor composed of large pieces of steel, is actually less skill-intensive. So if you have a large enough labor pool it might be easier to produce mail. Also was squamata also a thing in the later Empire?






*possibly from a homeless man on the bus

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Feb 19, 2007


SeanBeansShako posted:

I am too down for this idea, simply so in the future we can have droneodromes.

I think it'd work better if you used a latin/greek root. Robodromes!

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Feb 19, 2007


Trin Tragula posted:

Let's play a game, this one is called "1715 or 1915?"

So which one is it? I legit can't tell.

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Feb 19, 2007


HEY GAL posted:

rare, yes. a telescope that's portable by a single person would itself be the Hot New poo poo as of 1715, which is why 30yw battlefield ruses look so hilarious to us

ruses such as....?

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Feb 19, 2007


FAUXTON posted:

Max Plowman sounds like a cheap porn name.

"I'm Max Plowman, did someone order a meat lovers pizza?"

English name question: I know there used to be a lot of towns with streets like Gropecunte Alley and so forth, but did any people end up with names related to their not-socially-acceptable trades? Like, is there today one James Whoremonger living a quiet life in Hamfast or something?

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Feb 19, 2007


Is it okay if you're an American of vaguely-Irish descent among other Americans of vaguely-Irish descent? "My grandmother was from Logh Alan so that's why I'm a drunk," kinda thing.

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Feb 19, 2007


thatbastardken posted:

no

just shut your mouth and fund the IRA

my grandma gave somewhere around 20 grand over the course of her life (no joke), thanks Monsignor Barry. We could have used that money for more good booze at her wake!

No joke, the monsignor had connections and regularly collected support money for the cause from old Irish folks in our diocese.

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Feb 19, 2007


spectralent posted:

Also one of his parents was greek.

So he's also qualified to speak about hoplites and triremes. Neat!

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Feb 19, 2007


SeanBeansShako posted:

Somebody was covering the history of trucks and general motorised logistics in the younger days of the old thread, he started but then got distracted and didn't get very far :(.

If this is what you're thinking of, Jobbo Fett did a series of posts about WWI trucks starting on this page:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3585027&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=912

I'd try to track 'em down further but my internet is poo poo right now so I can't load any more, but look for jobbo fett's posts on that page and pages afterwards.

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Feb 19, 2007


Rodrigo Diaz posted:

Not all the outfits have crosses and the cross on "M" is very obviously Burgundian.


I find that hard to believe. Careful examination of Germanic art from the late 15th century like Dürer shows a much clearer lineage to the 16th century style that we know. The patterned slashing in particular has always been presented to me as a Swiss innovation, and I haven't been able to find any examples of it in late 15th century Italian art. This Dürer from 1489 already shows slashing at the shoulders
http://duerer.gnm.de/tintenwiki/Drei_Kriegsleute,_Berlin_KuKa,_KdZ_2_Tinte

The Italians seem to have preferred longer tunics and tabards, and high collars as we can see in this piece by Lorenzo Costa the Elder from 1488, depicting Giovanni II Bentivoglio and his family:

http://www.wga.hu/art/c/costa/lorenzo/maggiore/triumph.jpg

There are a few exceptions to these fashion trends, but they are exceptions. Consider this detail from Ghirlandaio's Adoration of the Shepherds http://www.wga.hu/art/g/ghirland/domenico/5sassett/shepherd/shepher3.jpg

Notice that althoug there is someone in a doublet and hose, they are a foot soldier, not a noble, and there is no apparent slashing. Noble clothing in Ghirlandaio is instead in-line with other Italian fashion as we see from this c. 1490 portrait of Francesco Sassetti and His Son

http://www.wga.hu/art/g/ghirland/domenico/7panel/12sasset.jpg

The ostrich feathers also seem to have been a Swiss or German fashion innovation, as almost all the Italian hats I've seen are featherless.

You seem to know a lot about the history of European fashion. Know any good books (preferably with lots of pictures) that provide sort of an overview from... I dunno, some arbitrary point in the distant past until 1840 or so?

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Feb 19, 2007


Rodrigo Diaz posted:

Fashion is one of those weird "soft" subjects that few people are interested enough in to pay for serious research, so it often goes by the wayside.

I know a couple costume designers who are deeply into the history of fashion. If I remember later this week I'll see if I can dig anything up. One of my former professors really knows a lot about this kinda thing but we had a falling out so I'm a little hesitant.

vvv: I'll see what I can do.

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Feb 19, 2007


Pellisworth posted:

Catherine the Great was pretty cool too

until the pulley broke

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Feb 19, 2007


lenoon posted:

edit: and nobody will convince me otherwise

(oh god.... am I proto-goon George Baker?)

yessssssss

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Feb 19, 2007


Crazycryodude posted:

I need these. Are they hiding in the old thread somewhere?

Just click on the little question mark on the lower right section of one of her posts in the old thread. You can't really go wrong. Also pro-click are P-Mack on China, Bewbies on planes and tanks, lenoon on conscientious objectors, and trim triangle on WWI. JaucheCharly has good posts about recurve bows, but they're kinda divided between the old mil-hist thread and the medieval one.

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Feb 19, 2007



It sure worked for the West Virginians in famous historical document 1632~

edit: gently caress, don't want to start the next page with a shitpost. Give me a bit to think of something worthy.

e: okay, I was at a conference on drones recently. a few of the speakers made disparaging comments about early drones, including some 1960s drone ASW helicopter that apparently almost never made it back onto the ships that launched it, leading to several more years of manned ASW helicopters. How bad did the early ones suck, and when did they start being a good ROI?

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xthetenth posted:

It's kind of unfair to pick on the QH-50 too much because it was designed to be very small, very cheap, and consequently had the accident rate you'd expect from a drone helicopter from 1960 that didn't have much in the way of redundant systems. Much as the joke goes that interceptors are the first stage of a two stage SAM, those were expendable like the first stage of a two stage long range depth charge, and it's a bit hard to judge the ROI on a system that provides a capability that otherwise wouldn't be there. They did do some interesting stuff with them with television cameras to spot artillery and do recon for their ships, as well.

Sorry to dredge this up from two pages ago, but I worded the second question poorly, I think. At what point did drones/RPAs stop being a neat little tool useful for one or two tasks and start turning into the worldbeaters they're growing into? Sometime in the late 90s, maybe? Do cruise missiles count as advanced traditional munitions or single-use drones?

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Feb 19, 2007


P-Mack posted:

What I like about the Taiping proto-communism is that British observers get really obviously mad at it, but don't yet have the language and ideological framework of capitalist/communist conflict to describe why beyond complaining about "injury to trade."

Wait, why don't they? Didn't Marx publish before the Taiping war started?

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Feb 19, 2007


SlothfulCobra posted:

Firearms in 1492 had their issues, but it's a moot point, since native American arrows ain't got poo poo on the suits of armor that the spaniards had access to.
The Spanish usually reduced their armor to padded cloth surcoats due to the sweltering heat. They kept the morion helmets. Even so those coats were plenty to stop stone-tipped arrows and macuahuitls, at least for a few hits. Think like the trauma plates in modern ballistic vests. *







* I heard this somewhere, possibly in a documentary, conversation with a homeless man, or a dream.

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Feb 19, 2007


Delivery McGee posted:

Edit again: Google results for longest bombing raid are all Black Buck (was a hell of a thing, but they stopped halfway) and B-2s bombing Libya (25-hour round trip from KC), but apparently the seven BUFFs that kicked in the proverbial door in Desert Storm flew 35-hour missions, from Barksdale to Baghdad and back, nonstop.

Jesus gently caress, did they have bunks or did the pilots just get hepped up on go-pills?

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Feb 19, 2007


HEY GAL posted:

it is an extremely good Empire

in re your 3rd point, turns out the electors have a lot of leverage over the current emperor because they elect his successor during his lifetime and each 'burg really wants it to be another one. so that's one way the electors swing their dicks around if the emperor's worried about the succession
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_Romans

That article lead me down the Wikipedia rabbit hole and eventually I found this, about Napoleon II (Boney's son, who amounted to nothing and died childless at 21 of pneumonia):

"The Hapsburgs got up to some weird poo poo posted:

On 15 December 1940, Adolf Hitler ordered the remains of Napoleon II to be transferred from Vienna to the dome of Les Invalides in Paris.[9][10] The remains of Napoleon I had been returned to France in December 1840, at the time of the July Monarchy.[11] For some time, the remains of the young prince who had briefly been an emperor rested beside those of his father. Later, the prince's remains were moved to the lower church.

While most of his remains were transferred to Paris, his heart and intestines remained in Vienna, which is traditional for members of the Habsburg house. They are in Urn 42 in the "Heart Crypt" (Herzgruft) and his viscera are in Urn 76 of the Ducal Crypt.


:eyepop:

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Feb 19, 2007


OwlFancier posted:

That would have made an amazing film though.

"The tank with the gun fires the gun! When the tank with the gun is destroyed, the crew from the tank without the gun gets the gun!"

"How do we attach it?"

"Arrest that man for defeatism!"

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Feb 19, 2007


Fangz posted:

The ability of the US to mobilise quickly in the event of such a war is also untested, though.

We've got rednecks with pickup trucks in pretty much every state.

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Slim Jim Pickens posted:

I wonder what a general mobilization looks like when 2/3rds of your population is overweight/obese

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Cyrano4747 posted:

drat near every WW2 vet I've known who saw combat had serious hearing issues.

This applies to my grandpa. He wasn't even a combat vet but he was bunked right under a deck gun in an old Victory ship ib the pacific. Every now and then they'd test the gun or do firing practice or whatever and it a) left him hard of hearing and b) got him a few concussions from when he'd jerk upright and bash his skull on the bulkhead.

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Feb 19, 2007


Trin Tragula posted:

Yeah, I've tried to fix this a few times, and each time it breaks and doesn't do what it's supposed to and you end up missing three or four days at a time using the bottom buttons. The book doesn't have this problem, and you get a lot of added material too!

e; f, thanks

Hey, the links page for your 1915 book is broken. They all link to the UK store and I would rather pay in bux than squids.

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Feb 19, 2007


SeanBeansShako posted:

Swords or pistols at dawn gentlemen? first blood?

Slings, clearly.




I don't actually know how to treat this. Could the verses about David and Goliath be considered a valid source on the efficacy of slings? Regardless of their accuracy, do they say anything about popular perceptions of the time? I mean, unless you want to claim that the bible was written by God, then the authorship consists of people who were alive and kicking while sings were a common battlefield weapon. What I'm getting (without any context, wasn't raised religious) is that the sling was seen as a decent weapon, but not one guaranteed (or even particularly likely) to defeat an armored opponent one-on-one.

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Feb 19, 2007


Fangz posted:

In the same way that it was right and proper for the Indian mutineers to shoot as many of the occupying British as they could, but if they went on the rampage in a British city it would not be the same.

Why would it not? They're no less British in York or Leeds or something.

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Feb 19, 2007


Animal posted:

Please post lyrics to good historical cadence songs from different countries and eras. Hey Gal I'm looking at you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIX0eIF23cU
I don't have the text as I do not speak russian. Maybe EE can translate?

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Feb 19, 2007


lenoon posted:

Wele goelcerth wen yn fflamio
A thafodau tân yn bloeddio
Ar i'r dewrion ddod i daro,
Unwaith eto'n un:
Gan fanllefau'r tywysogion,
Llais gelynion, trwst arfogion,
A charlamiad y marchogion,
Craig ar graig a gryn
Arfon byth ni orfydd,
Cenir yn dragywydd;
Cymru fydd fel Cymru fu,
Yn glodfawr ymysg gwledydd;
'Ngwyn oleuni'r goelcerth acw,
Tros wefusau Cymro'n marw,
Annibyniaeth sydd yn galw,
Am ei dewraf ddyn.

https://youtu.be/XSEU5zHgcTc

Men of Harlech, march to glory,
Victory is hov'ring o'er ye,
Bright-eyed freedom stands before ye,
Hear ye not her call?
At your sloth she seems to wonder;
Rend the sluggish bonds asunder,
Let the war-cry's deaf'ning thunder
Every foe appall.
Echoes loudly waking,
Hill and valley shaking;
'Till the sound spreads wide around,
The Saxon's courage breaking;
Your foes on every side assailing,
Forward press with heart unfailing,
'Till invaders learn with quailing,
Cambria ne'er can yield!

Edit: reminds me to do more castle posts!

Is it true that the English stole most of your people's vowels?

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Feb 19, 2007


xiansi posted:

I'm as English as your avatar, but happened to go to school with a girl called Siobhan, so I worked that one out early enough. Even though I've never met a Sinéad in real life, there was a famous one in the '80s, so that helped.

I went to high school with a Sinead, but her parents didn't know the right pronunciation. Called herself "Sin-ee-add" or Sinny for short. Plastic paddies, heh.

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Feb 19, 2007


HEY GAL posted:

lol

edit: or hell, i dunno, maybe the whole thing. my dad, was your country's entire ww1 army women pretending to be men, just hiding this fact from one another

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Ensign Expendable posted:

Also while your rifle might be able to hit something at 800 meters I highly doubt that the vast majority of infantrymen could aim well enough to do so.

Sir, do you impugn the expert marksmanship of the american rahfleman?

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Feb 19, 2007


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

People have a hosed up view of what long arms are supposed to achieve in the majority of cases. Usually you're shooting at things or known positions, not people. You have a fire element to pin the enemy and a maneuver element to flank. The fire element is trying to disrupt the enemy and pin them in place. Most shooting is sort of aimed.

Mah granpappy fought in the war and he said he got three Germans right a'tween the eyes at Normandie and Guadalcanal. You callin' mah granpappy a liar?


(this is what some Americans actually believe)

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