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SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

my dad posted:

Scary stories.

THE TIGER TANK IS UNDER THE HOUSE!

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SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Because it broken down, got stuck in the mud and for some reason somebody built a foundation around it.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Love the look and the gun towards the end of the war, shame about the tracks.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

These are really good but guys would mostly not have looked like that at any point in time unless they were in barracks. Uniforms were a mishmash of looted poo poo that you liked better. You probably kept your headgear, the coat, and that's about it. Stuff wears out fast.

Amusingly, they are improvising with a lot of 2nd Empire uniform stuff in those photographs.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Also, I too am intirugued at this black powder communicate via e-mail game project Grey Hunter.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
So uh, what is happening to the on going stuff still being worked on like the Taiping/Polish Soviet War and a few other mega post projects goons in the last thread were doing? they going to keep going and repost the older stuff when they are done?

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

P-Mack posted:

Yeah, I just need to check whether the thread getting goldmined broke the links to older posts. Other then that I should be able to pick it up and get moving again. Gonna start talking about the Shanghai Foreign Arms Corp and the start of western intervention against the Taiping.

I am already looking forward to what the Chinese in both factions felt about a certain British christan suicidal general.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Speaking of ships, I'd love if somebody would get down and dirty in detail about Gunboats.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Ataxerxes posted:

Well, an new thread is a good excuse to start something I have been thinking about. Project Gutenberg (https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/25069) has the diary of a Finnish NCO from the Russian-Turkish War of 1877-78 but the whole thing is in Finnish. I was thinking of translating it day-by-day and posting here, possibly making a blog out of it in the future.

The book is titled:
"VÄÄPELI LEMMINKÄISEN PÄIVÄKIRJA (Diary of vääpeli(feldwebel/sergeant major) Lemminkäinen)
Suomen kaartin retkestä Konstantinopolin muurien edustalle vuosina 1877-1878" (Of the trip (the term used means a liter trip, like one to a park) of the Finnish Guard to the walls of Constantinople in years 1877-78)."

The book was published in Helsinki in 1899 and it doesn't mention an editor. The book contains day-by-day entries and I thought I would post one entry per post, more if they are really short (as they are). The writing style is archaic but readable, some words have changed since the days of Lemminkäinen and he uses some very convulted expressions which are pretty untranslatable, I will try to note anthing significant. The Finnish units of the Imperial Russian Army were volunteer-based and there was no conscription in the Grand Duchy of Finland (a somewhat autonomous part of the Russian Empire at the time).

I'll post the entries in quotes and my own notes after the entries.

Hell yeah, huge 18th/19th century nerd I'm enjoying this already.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
It'll all be awkardly dropped when we start using lasers muskets/mass driver projectile cannons in the distant future wars on top of that really big mountain.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Dick Trauma posted:

This might be too hard to answer but I'm curious about the weight of equipment infantry have had to carry throughout the ages. When I see modern soldiers they appear to be festooned with equipment, packs, bags, bandoliers, pouches... it looks overwhelming.

Well perhaps these images will give you at least help, these photos depict what the average English/British soldier had on them through the last couple of centuries:

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
I like the board game/cards the Napoleonic era soldier has on him.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Well are taller and much better fed than the guys from a few centuries ago were thanks to modern convenience.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

feedmegin posted:

Uh while the Wars of the Roses were a English civil war, normally when people say that they mean the one below it :shobon:

Edit: also, 'Helmland province'? Where absolutely everyone has to dress like a knight, presumably.

The latter more modern parts of that selection would certainly have had Scottish/Irish/Welshmen wearing them.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Also loving laffo at the kit for the Agincourt archer including the loving sharpened log.

You mean you don't carry around sharpened logs to defend yourself from angry French Knights on chargers?

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Argh. No, no it was not. Will this myth not loving die?

Couple years back during a food manufacturing training course I was attending (gently caress factory work, especially with food) one of the fellows on it who was a British Army cadet instructor was pretty drat convinced that this was true. Of course the man also cosplayed as a pirate down at Looe during the summer so yeah.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
I just had a disturbing thought.

What if this myth persists simply because it is easier to remember the bullshit rather than explain it. This might explain a lot of things with these kind of myths.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Seriously, if anyone cares about it I'd read a big effort post on Gunboats too.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Spiderfist Island posted:

I have a question for the Napoleonics in the thread about armament production.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but the French Revolution / Napoleonic Wars saw the largest armies fielded in Europe since at least Roman times, beginning with Carnot's levée en masse. Now I know that China had been fielding armies that large or larger for centuries (assuming that state histories aren't embellishing in many cases), but these Chinese forces weren't based around firearms as the primary weapon for infantry like European armies. How did the various nations involved in the wars manage to produce enough rifles and other guns for such a major army buildup in a pre-industrial society? Were out-of-date guns or even pikes/crossbows/etc used to fill outpaced demand for armaments?

Like somebody said, machined parts that could easily be produced and replace worn out parts on said guns, plus the general design of the Flintlock musket the European powers were using was almost a century old too when that conflict came about and armies and navies had plenty of guns from the previous centuries to pass around.

How easy is to convert a doglock into a flintlock anyway? simply removing the lock or just switching out some parts?

During the Napoleonic Wars as well it was a boom time for experimenting with the technology that would lead to the Industrial revolution.

Man that pike phase was weird, but at the time it sort of made sense if you wanted to be cheap with your militia.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Comstar posted:

Dunkink teaser. For a story involving lots of boats and ships it sure seems to be hiding them for the twist at the end. The ticking noise could/will be replaced by the BAAWAHHH sound from the last 5 years worth of trailers, and I'm hoping it does not become a trend.

From the guy who's very happy to see a Stuka coming down to the poetic shots at long distance, I'm not very enthusiastic that the director of The Dark Knight can pull it off. Still, it's a movie about Operation Dynamo, so maybe it will be good? I haven't heard anything to say it will actually mention that the French were 50% of the soilders evacuated, or the very heavy losses they took to save the BEF.

Edit- I take it back about lack of boats. This Behind the scene movie shows a MTG, and a cute model Ju87 buzzing around.

Please don't suck. Pleeeease don't suck :smith:.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Disinterested posted:

It will definitely be spectacular to look at with huge attention to detail. Whether or not it will be accurate, however...

'We're saved It's the Prime Ministers secret weapon the blimp tank!'

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Disinterested posted:

They all fly away holding the wings of Spitfires that land on the shore.

Company Of Heroes had a terribad movie (which one of us should suffer for our entertainment) so why not Battlefield 1942?

feedmegin posted:

I, uhh, think your autocorrect is showing. Unless it literally is 'hot squaddies getting rammed up the rowboat by studly Stukas' :quagmire:

At last, a UK version of Shaving Private Ryan!

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Polyakov posted:

Surely you mean Shaving Ryan's privates?

Nope, I'm not into the indie gay war movie porn parody scene. Waaaay too pretentious.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Okay, I did not know at all about the huge amount of Chinese labour that helped the Entente during the 1st World War....

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
So uh, I found Battlefield Recovery on Netflix.

Is it me or are these dudes a wee bit over enthusiastic about this? Might be hamming it up for the telly but I've never seen somebody be so cheerful about the concept of stumbing across unexploded ordinance or Nazi bones. Then again, I shouldn't judge I get all tingly when I see muskets IRL.

EDIT: BLACK DIGGERS!

SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Aug 7, 2016

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

HEY GAL posted:

that dude owned

Great dresser, could lead hundreds of horsemen in some fantastic charges. Don't give him a Kingdom though or leave him in charge of a shattered army. Neither ended well.

bewbies posted:

I've also never really understood why people think they want realistic war movies. If a war movie was realistic it would be really really really really boring for the first two and half hours and then the last 15 minutes would be really loud and confusing

Realistic Napoleonic Wars movie, main character is awkwardly to the right in the third line of a four man column. You spent most of it looking at the back of or craning to see over the shako of the guy in front barely seeing the enemy through the smoke before being shot to death.

Epilogue, some reinactor does a silly dance in your uniform. Fin.

SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Aug 9, 2016

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Plus it took a few engagements with them as well before they started rolling out the tungsten(?) tipped ammunition and monster/AT Rifles made for early tank busting.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

LordSaturn posted:

If you forget about Catch 22 again I'll have you out on Section 8.

Eat the chocolate covered cotton , Slim Jim.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
I, on the other hand, am a fully rounded human being with a degree from the university of life, a diploma from the school of hard knocks, and three gold stars from the kindergarten of getting the poo poo kicked out of me.

And sadly recently too, a ECDL which is sadly not forfit.

Alright sorry no more Blackadder quotes from me serious time. There is something just downright depressing reading about history out of the blue about your town in another town that is well, just morbidly embarassingly. In my towns historic and still functioning town hall During Liberal sponsered peace talks about the Boer War Emily Hobson and future primine minister Lloyd George the woman the whole affair was completely wrecked by obnoxious patriotic flag waving dicks who wouldn't shut up and almost started a fist fight with the police that got a certain damp MP involved. This is surreal as gently caress on so many levels as I am reading about the kind of weird people who welcomed the coming crisis that was the Great War.

Needless to say, I hate my town a little more. Things haven't really changed.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
I like to think that hat isn't his, he's just decided now it is.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

PittTheElder posted:

Not WW2, but wasn't there a bunch of labour disputes in Britain in '17-'18, in the face of rising costs and frozen wages in the mining and munitions sectors?

*Lights the lenoon signal*

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

OwlFancier posted:

Look we spent like the entire navy's budget on this thing and I'll be damned if I'm going to let you take it into a fight to get shot at.

Just you get back to work griding down those bulkheads, I don't care if they keep the water out as long as they look nice and shiny.

ONE DAY WE'LL HAVE TRAFALGAR/TSUSHIMA 2.0 ONE DAY!

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Can't we agree to disagree and just make fun of the Maus?

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Yvonmukluk posted:

One thing I've learned re:tanks is that during WWI they were parked in Tankdromes (also called Tankodromes), which is a word I want to see brought back. Or just the -drome suffix in general, really.

I am too down for this idea, simply so in the future we can have droneodromes.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Nebakenezzer posted:

What the gently caress is this? It looks like some sort of dual flintlock shotgun.

It's two muskets taped together son.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Square bullets for the non christians.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

OwlFancier posted:

I didn't think we had any actual star forts over here, I know some of the castles were updated, the Tower of London is surprisingly modern in its outer works and Stirling Castle shows some definite gunnery modifications but do we have any actual purpose built star forts?

I was going to say, I thought we had our own little brand of crazy coastal fortress towers instead of Stat Forts?

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Hogge Wild posted:

what was disappointing about the battle scenes?

Well, IMO not enough of them.

I did like how they handled the small skirmish and Prussians in that minor siege. Also, the music in that movie is indeed loving ace. Also taught me if you marry into 18th century nobility pack the son of the previous lord off to a school/the colonies ASAP.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
I liked The Mint more as it made the man more of a human being rather than some sort of turn of the century mythical imperial desert warrior. But then again, slightly biased as my father and grand father were both in the RAF.

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SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

HEY GAL posted:

these dudes would love the gently caress out of anything shoulder-mounted and explosive, and knowing them, they'd would be more likely to fire them off indoors rather than at any enemies who were hanging around

I wonder what TV programs these kinds of guys would have made/liked?

The law/court themed ones would certainly be worth watching for sure.

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