I'd legit watch both.Admiral Snackbar posted:What's this?! SEE YOU IN A YEAR!
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Disinterested posted:And to hammer home this point about states, if Victorian England doesn't have a state just what does it have? Facial hair and lots of self hatred.
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Don't be a rascist jerk about anyone who lives on the British Isles. K thnx.
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MikeCrotch posted:Holy poo poo, i'm reading an account of the 1870 Battle of Sedan and von Moltke the Elder nearly fucks up the battle several times because he simply cannot believe that the French would be that stupid. Welcome to the Franco Prussian War. It's a pretty clown shoes affair sometimes.
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Aug 18, 2016 15:07
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"I'll just underestimate <blank> what could go wrong!"
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Aug 18, 2016 16:09
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During the Russian Invasion due to the insane logistics of trying to handle one of the biggest armies ever assembled a lot of horses simply couldn't be fed or had to eat whatever crude stuff (rotting straw from the rooves of abandoned peasant villages) which led to the rapid decline and death of many French horses. It also led to the emergency drafting of many wild and abandoned steppe horses that were lot small and looked almost comical for the taller men on horseback. But like Disinterested said it depends also on the nation and the situation of who or what was also in charge of horses. The Napoleonic Wars killed a lot of horses as well as people now. The carnage at Waterloo was even more horrible with the addition of hundreds of horribly mained slowly dying beasts that along with many other things haunted survivors of said battle.
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Aug 18, 2016 16:22
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Big armies equal bigger logistical headaches, invading huge land masses that are notorius for having stretches of barren steppes and wasteland does not help this. Insert that quote from Princess Bride here. Also, I got a humble suggestion here. Can we have a sort of spin off thread where we can discuss milhist spin off stuff like books, games and movies?
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Disinterested posted:Also the story of eating roofs is repeated. Fun fact, this fucks up a poor horses digestive system something fierce. How bad? well, hope you enjoy poop scooping poop from your horses butt monsier carabinier!
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Xerxes17 posted:Jesus those truck losses Somebody was covering the history of trucks and general motorised logistics in the younger days of the old thread, he started but then got distracted and didn't get very far  .
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Aug 19, 2016 01:45
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Grenrow posted:Does anyone know what these light cavalry hats/helmets are called? During this era self raised dragoons, light infantry and riflemen got some very interesting accessories and uniforms picked or bought by the senior officers that raised said regiments. I'm not sure what the exact name for it is, but I have seen the style used once or twice more. Sort of reminds me of the leather helmets the Austrian's had during the first half of the Napoleonic Wars before they switched over to shako.
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Disinterested posted:
It does look very Austrian, just needs to have some sort of crested peak thing going for it.
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Grenrow posted:Thanks for the pic (and SeanBeansShako's input as well). I've been taking more of an interest in late 18th century and early 19th European stuff recently. The amount of uniform variation between units in the same army is incredible. How much leeway did a colonel have in determining his own regiment's uniforms? Were there broad guidelines he had to stick with? I'm assuming that you would be restricted from issuing grenadier caps to regular line infantry, but what about stuff like those Mamluk-inspired uniforms that I think some of Napoleon's cavalry started to adopt? European Orientalist trends are really fascinating to me. You find these influences in the oddest of places sometimes. Well, during the 18th century it began more or less like a wild west of military fashion with some styles and headgear being reserved for elites or awarded to regiments for action on the field, however towards the end of the 18th century and early 19th century things were changing and the men in charge of the army as whole started bringing out regulations which saw to the end the more creative variation see from 1750 to 1804. When the state took charge, they looked into trying to make uniforms both cheaper to mass produce in the early factories, this led to one of my favourite Napoleonic Wars uniform experiments when Napoleon had a few regiments experiment with white dyed uniforms during the conflict. Turns out they got dirty easier and their own allies kept mistaking them for Austrian soldiers. Volunteer, Militia and raised units were allowed to get away with some of that stuff during the Napoleonic Wars. In campaign too some regulations were ignored for comfort or practicality. If you like the Mamluk stuff I strongly suggest you see what the French Revolutionary soldiers more or less patched up and pulled from the charity shop. Those guys really made some nice looking uniforms that are almost as good looking as their Napoleonic counter parts. After the Napoleonic Wars, at least in Britain during the decades of peace in Europe up until the 1840's early Victorian uniforms got dandy as hell. Then the Crimean War happened and suddenly everyone remembers why really tall head gear, insanely tight trousers and coats you can barely move your arms in is sort of a bad thing to wear on campaign.
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Aug 19, 2016 22:30
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OwlFancier posted:What he needs is two of them helmet plumes stuck on his back. Eat poo poo Poland. Our guys are 50% cooler. Don't fight your nations both do pretty cool uniforms
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Aug 20, 2016 00:47
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Siivola posted:Well, that sure was gently caress the SS now, gently caress the SS always and gently caress the SS forever. Now I need a drink reading all that.
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Aug 20, 2016 16:24
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Anyone know anything about Werhmacht units turning on the SS now? SimonCat posted:Of course the Australians would make this tank: Yaaaaaaay.
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Pornographic Memory posted:gently caress me that was horrible but I couldn't tear my eyes away The worst bit of all of this is that is only a glimpse of the madness and human suffering that was the Eastern Front of the 2nd World War.
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spectralent posted:Yeah, the SS have nothing particularly redeeming about them. They eagerly wasted a lot of German war materiel that could have been used better by the professional soldiers along with their lives. But still, gently caress them.
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Aug 20, 2016 18:10
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To lighten the mood, remember the 94 War between Australia and Hong Kong?
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Aug 20, 2016 19:32
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I believe a Tartleton is a catch all term for some of those helmets and hats. I don't think there is an actual specific singular hat called it.
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HEY GAL posted:18th century uniforms are so... I sometimes miss the late 18th century coats with the tails and half breeches when we get into the late Napoleonic Wars, though coatee and trousers do make more sense.
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HEY GAL posted:something rad vanished from the world when the dudes could no longer dress like the 17th century tho I really want the coat the antagonist has in A Field In England. It's a pretty boss coat.
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Let me tell you about a man called John Moore....
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Flanker Pylon posted:Leather helmets of varying styles came in and out of fashion repeatedly during the 18th and 19th centuries; the French adopted them for a time during the Revolutionary Wars, the Russians had them as part of the "Potemkin uniform" in the 1780s and 90s, the Austrians used them during the 1790s and first half of the Napoleonic period, and so forth. And, of course, there's the famous Pickelhaube the Prussians adopted later in the 1800s. Some pre-Crimean War Russian soldiers wore leather helmets like the German pickelhaube, but they had a sort of lobster tail thing at the back going with it.
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HEY GAL posted:wait, like the back end of a zischagge? Possibly? I've only seen a picture or two of that helmet, but it certainly has that unique lobster tail thing going about it. Also, I like powdered hair and queues.
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Flanker Pylon posted:Not quite as ample, I'm afraid. The best images I can find on the quick are from the Battle of the Alma reenactment from a few years ago, but they should give you an idea of what they look like: God I really do love how that British Army uniform looked, a strange combination of retro Napoleonic.
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I like No 9 because that is a timeless classic.
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david_a posted:What's he doing, looting the corpse? Looting is such an ugly word. He's just upgrading his baggage. With the contents of that mans coat. That he will wear and sell for drink/prostitures.
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Aug 23, 2016 15:54
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Meanwhile, I'm reading the memoirs of a Light Infantry private during the Napoleonic Wars. During a trip overseas to Denmark to attack and knock out an coastal Island town, half the regiment staying on board one of ships during this campaign sort of gets stuck. Like on the floor of the deck they were stationed. The ship was overhauled and oakum still was drying. Lots of ruined blankets all around.
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OwlFancier posted:And yet my takeaway is "Why the gently caress did anyone invent the wheellock?" Eccentric 17th century engineers are not the most....sane of people. But then again, the Hoverboard so we people of the 21st century aren't judging. Also, reguarding that ring popular history seems to have forgotten that famous admirals and generals got a shitload of cruddy merchandice sold of them. After Admiral Nelson died at Trafalgar there was huge amount of tasteless Nelson temed tatt. Also, Napoleon chamberpots. Piss on the Ogre!
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Not really HEY GAL, tat really means the sort of stuff sold in a single unit of currency shops. You got some right tasteless stuff with Nelson popping his clogs.P-Mack posted:I once went to an exhibition of memorabilia from Lafayette's grand tour, and they put his face on every product you could think of, like straight out of Space Balls. If the t-shirt existed before the 20th century, I guarantee we'd have bootleg shirts like this of these guys. Same with novelty baseball caps.
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Kiss Me I'm A Royalist Catholic I'm With Obstinant
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Koramei posted:Decolonization probably wouldn't have happened if the European colonial powers weren't crippled by two world wars would it? Eh, It would have happened at a slower place. The native educated civil servants would still have been been around to start asking the questions and starting the grass roots independence movements.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Soldiers in the Napoleonic wars generally got at least a few months of the winter off (except the Russia campaign). Of course you were cold and miserable, but you weren't likely to get shot. Even in campaign season, you were mostly marching around and countermarching with very little danger to yourself 95% of days. The Guerilla was really the only exception to that rule. They killed themselves really because they were pushed to their limit, many knowing there was no way in hell they'd survive such a long march with little to no food in such cold. That and the terror of being captured by the Cossacks who'd butcher them for sport or sell them to a serf village where they'd be worked to death or just killed as a scapegoat. I imagine those men if given the choice would have died at Borrodino. There would be less suffering.
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Mycroft Holmes posted:Wikipedia says he was a terrible guy. c/d? Wikipedia thinks the Longstreet is a real tank. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The Russian campaign was uniquely horrible for everyone involved. It's not representative of the warfare of the period for the average soldier. Fun fact, the Russian soldiers more less were going through the same level of suffering and hunger now. I imagine with human remains from both sides you can easily follow the grim trail of that whole retreat. Assuming you don't get lost and follow the Nazi and Soviet remains of the 2nd World War. SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Aug 27, 2016 |
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lenoon posted:Hey Gal, do you have a dream team of military masterminds? Like if money and chronological period no object would you create the best team of generals and colonels and junior officers who would win the 30yw in one fell swoop? Supported by the best astrologists and battle wizards, etc etc And thus with this sentence fantasy footbal milhist edition was born.
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spectralent posted:Depressingly it's still a shades of grey situation since the real pieces of poo poo were perfectly happy to worm their tentacles into a lot of people who were innocent or just wanted to keep their heads down, either coercively or via outright force. The poor sod from the Dirlewanger situation is SS because he got conscripted, for instance. I think the term shades of poo poo be termed here.
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lenoon posted:Raglan and Cardigan. Eh, the whole Crimean War was a cluster gently caress of a conflict and the whole system these two men were involved in needed a major reboot. Both in their day were decent officers and soldiers, but lovely over promoted or over the hill men who shouldn't have been put in charge of a modern military campaign out of the blue.
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HEY GAL posted:yesssss I feel like you are downplaying Cook, he'd be a great scout and explorer. Hell, he'd almost be a brilliant diplomat if you tell him to not kidnapping as a last resort. He'd be rubbish in a fight, but he could tell you where all the nice places it can go down in and what kind of lime to bring with you.
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HEY GAL posted:my point is, an admiral who was deified beats a captain who was deified. like if we're collecting them or something Ask Us About Military History Mk III: TOP TRUMPS EDITION!
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MikeCrotch posted:Oh god. Lindybeige has a new video. It's called..."Cavalry Was a Stupid Idea". Somebody clearly hasn't moved out the way of a horse!
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