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silvergoose posted:Well? In. Good. Time. But seriously there will be a payoff. I promise.
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bunnyofdoom posted:In. Good. Time. Hah alright. I had figured it would be part of the end of that challenge update, is all. I'll await eagerly, then. 
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bunnyofdoom posted:Seriously. The Leia capturing Palp thing was completely out of left field. Like with her stats being what they were there is no way that should have worked. There's a lesson here kids: never try to use Force Lightning while standing in water.
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I'm figuring, considering the stats involved, Leia probably convinced Rebel loyal individuals on the planet and in it's government to stage some elaborate trap. Would seem about par for the course.
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Cimbri posted:I'm figuring, considering the stats involved, Leia probably convinced Rebel loyal individuals on the planet and in it's government to stage some elaborate trap. Would seem about par for the course. Well, she is a diplomat, maybe she talked him into joining the Rebellion? Not being into running the Empire anymore would explain the whole sitting on a random world thing at least. Vader of course just knew not to gently caress with Murder Han when he came calling.
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Han is apparently Boba Fett who switched over to the Rebels when they said htey didn't care about disintegrations at all.
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Nah she just waltzed up to Palp and said "come with me if you want to love" Because Han was sitting in orbit.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Nah she just waltzed up to Palp and said "come with me if you want to love" Pretty sure this is a typo but I'm cool with it.
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wedgekree posted:Han is apparently Boba Fett who switched over to the Rebels when they said htey didn't care about disintegrations at all. Nobody knows what, or who, Boba Fett really looks like.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Nobody knows what, or who, Boba Fett really looks like. Like Captain Rex without the beard.
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Good job killin Daala she is awful.
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Jack2142 posted:Good job killin Daala she is awful. You mean you don't like Grand Moff Tarkins Mistress who got her job hidden in the corner of the galaxy by spreading her legs and being smart... and basically murdered her way to the top after the empire fractured.
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How is capturing Darth Vader and the Emperor not some kind of win condition?
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Glazius posted:How is capturing Darth Vader and the Emperor not some kind of win condition? It is; you need both of them and to capture Coruscant.
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silvergoose posted:Pretty sure this is a typo but I'm cool with it. "Because Han was sitting in orbit" really makes the typo to boot. Then again, maybe Han asked for a teacher to continue his obvious pursuit of the dark side. Calax posted:You mean you don't like Grand Moff Tarkins Mistress who got her job hidden in the corner of the galaxy by spreading her legs and being smart... and basically murdered her way to the top after the empire fractured. To be fair, didn't she legitimately get brain damage in the EU? At least that gave her a plausible reason for stupidity unlike most Star Wars characters.
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Later authors retconed the brain damage to explain her actions.
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MadDogMike posted:To be fair, didn't she legitimately get brain damage in the EU? At least that gave her a plausible reason for stupidity unlike most Star Wars characters. She had been featured and defeated 5(?) times by that point? It is kind of silly to consider that in her debut, four Star Destroyers were a "Major Threat" to the Republic. That's it, Four star destroyers....
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bunnyofdoom posted:Later authors retconed the brain damage to explain her actions. i've posted this before but i'm a little more sympathetic to daala than most, to me it's clear we were already at that point in the EU where writers weren't interested in building credible antagonists or creating genuine tension in their stories anymore so her invasion fleet was rag dolled across immense interstellar distances by a force push a bunch of dumb padawan students did by holding hands - that steep power difference is specifically what ruined her plans - like we're in the era where the dark sabre superweapon blew itself up because the antagonists were so incompetent they didn't even need anyone to foil their plans anymore while dudes like brakiss were also clowned by padawan kids but then later killed when internecine slapfights broke out within the empire, getting everyone involved killed along with their superweapons - again not requiring the alliance to lift a finger since these antagonists were so bad daala cut her loses and (briefly) left active command which is probably the smartest thing an imperial commander has done in the era where X-wings regularly blew away TIE Fighters in 300 to 4 ratios or while mon calamari cruisers were considered the best ships ever designed while the Imperial II had ~200,000 fatal design flaws and cost more to make and maintain, like the Imperial Remnant was already actively failing as authentic threat like these were still (occasionally) good times if you just liked a lighter read involving the fun adventures of your favorite space friends like Wedge, Luke, Corran, Jacen, Kyle, etc but there weren't many Imperials worth their salt, at least ones that wouldn't later defect or something
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Calax posted:You mean you don't like Grand Moff Tarkins Mistress who got her job hidden in the corner of the galaxy by spreading her legs and being smart... and basically murdered her way to the top after the empire fractured. Yes? I honestly think she did a better job killing Imperials than the New Republic, which in its own way is good. I don't disagree that her era of books really were not kind to the Imperials, because while yes Daala was pretty incompetent pretty much everyone was except maybe like Soontir Fel & Palleon? On the flip side reading through this LP made me miss the old EU in all its idiotic vastness, and the new cannon via TFA is not as entertaining. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 07:07 on May 16, 2017 |
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I'm actually listening to the thrawn trilogy audiobooks right now, and at least those books had any sort of credible threat. Thrawn sounds kinda like Sherlock Holmes, though, which actually made me realize just how similar the character really is. "It's quite simple, Captain..." ~= "It's elementary, my dear Watson..." and so on.
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silvergoose posted:I'm actually listening to the thrawn trilogy audiobooks right now, and at least those books had any sort of credible threat. Thrawn sounds kinda like Sherlock Holmes, though, which actually made me realize just how similar the character really is. That was Zahn's intention. Another similarity is compare Pelleon to Watson
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I really like the Thrawn Trilogy, they're my favourite Star Wars books. The plot is very well thought out and (spoilered since there's someone who's reading them two posts above this one) I like the fact that the heroes (Han, Leia, and Luke) and the main antagonist (Thrawn) never even meet each other during the course of the books, and also that Thrawn, despite all his planning and strategy and intelligence, gets done in by something he doesn't see coming.. Also Pellaeon is the best Imperial character in the EU and I will fight anyone who says otherwise.
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Mikl posted:I really like the Thrawn Trilogy, they're my favourite Star Wars books. The plot is very well thought out and (spoilered since there's someone who's reading them two posts above this one) I like the fact that the heroes (Han, Leia, and Luke) and the main antagonist (Thrawn) never even meet each other during the course of the books, and also that Thrawn, despite all his planning and strategy and intelligence, gets done in by something he doesn't see coming.. Er, listening but I've read the books dozens of times since getting them in middle school. 
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Jeeez, is this the alternate universe where Han never took the money because he wanted to murder every. single. imperial. ever.? The Emperor has less blood lust than him, what an rear end in a top hat.
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silvergoose posted:Er, listening but I've read the books dozens of times since getting them in middle school. Nevermind then!
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Good news everyone! First update for canon challenge has been played, and is sitting in my harddrive. Probably will have it up Saturday if I can manage it Seriously, doing it Imp style was hard. Basically, nuCanon has characters that are essentially the same with different names. I still didn't use them.
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Mikl posted:I really like the Thrawn Trilogy, they're my favourite Star Wars books. The plot is very well thought out and (spoilered since there's someone who's reading them two posts above this one) I like the fact that the heroes (Han, Leia, and Luke) and the main antagonist (Thrawn) never even meet each other during the course of the books, and also that Thrawn, despite all his planning and strategy and intelligence, gets done in by something he doesn't see coming.. Yeah. Unlike most EU authors, Zahn can actually write. The enemy is credible, dangerous, capable, yet mortal. The protagonists have their flaws and aren't total mary sues. The space-wizard-magic doesn't blow up entire stars or throw multi-kilometer ships thousands of lightyears just to look cool; it's biggest (ab)use was basically specialized telepathy. Any cool/odd toys had decided drawbacks/limitations; they were only effective based on how creative they were used.
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OAquinas posted:Yeah. Unlike most EU authors, Zahn can actually write. The enemy is credible, dangerous, capable, yet mortal. The protagonists have their flaws and aren't total mary sues. The space-wizard-magic doesn't blow up entire stars or throw multi-kilometer ships thousands of lightyears just to look cool; it's biggest (ab)use was basically specialized telepathy. Any cool/odd toys had decided drawbacks/limitations; they were only effective based on how creative they were used. And to be fair, half of Thrawn's strength came from, you know, salvaging a bunch of new (old) warships.
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Character and ships and troops (oh my) update #7 Rebel Characters Drayson  So, this guy was a fleet commander sent to get the Katana fleet. He was unimaginative, and tried to arrest the heroes, until Borsk’s bullshit got revealed. He then battled a couple star destroyers and did well. His daughter became a member of wraith squadron in the end, joining with Wedge’s Daughter, and if you squint Han and Leia’s daughter. So maybe I shoulda put those 4 characters together. Anyways, despite those facts, he has terrible espionage and combat skills. He is a good diplomat somehow? That doesn't make sense. He also have good leadership, which does make sense. First Appearance: Thrawn Trilogy. Ackbar  Ah good Admiral Ackbar. He of meme fame. Who also appeared in TFA. He’s my 2nd favourite Mon Calamari Admiral after Admiral :battleaxe: Raddus! But actually Ackbar is pretty cool. He’s the guy who led the fleet at Endor, and was supreme commander in the EU. In game, he’s a ship researcher, has good leadership skills too First Appearance: ROTJ Rebel Ships Corellian Gunship  CORELLIAN GUNSHIP Cost: 10 Maintenance: 23 Fighter capacity: 0 Troop capacity: 0 Shield strength: 200 Hyperdrive rating: 80 Hull strength: 300 Damage control: 20 Shield recharge: 10 Tractor beam: 0 Sublight engine rating: 10 Maneuverability: 4 Detection rate: 30 Weapon recharge: 10 Bombardment rate: 0 Fore Aft Port Starboard Turbo Lasers 0 0 0 0 Ion Cannons 0 0 0 0 Laser Cannons 90 90 150 150 Ah the rebel anti-starfighter ship. It’s pretty useful and really cheap. Sometimes, especially if you like playing my way, it pays to build a fleet of maybe three of em, load em up with special forces, and fly them around just popping Imp garrisons. They wreck ties something fierce, even Tie Defenders. They, of course, melt under concentrated enemy fire. Imperial Counterpart: Lancer Frigate. It’s cheaper and weaker (both in firepower and hull/shield strength) but faster, it takes all sorst. Weaker isn’t a problem as imp fighters are weaker overall. I’d say the Lancer is better but it is because it plugs a weakness, rather than reinforcing a strength. CC-7700  CC-7700 FRIGATE Cost: 42 Maintenance: 37 Fighter capacity: 0 Troop capacity: 0 Shield strength: 300 Hyperdrive rating: 70 Hull strength: 1400 Damage control: 30 Shield recharge: 15 Tractor beam: 1 Sublight engine rating: 4 Maneuverability: 1 Detection rate: 10 Weapon recharge: 8 Bombardment rate: 1 Fore Aft Port Starboard Turbo Lasers 10 0 20 20 Ion Cannons 0 0 0 0 Laser Cannons 60 90 90 90 So this is the Rebel interdictor. It keeps the enemy from running away. It has a massive 1700 hit points, which is decently tanky. It has some weak turbolasers, and good lasers. This shouldn’t be on the front of a battle, so this is decent protection against opportunistic fighters I guess? Imperial Counterpart: The Interdictor cruiser. Costs more by a little, but significantly better in all stats. I mean, so what? It fills the same role, and does it well. B-Wings  B-WING Cost: 7 Laser: 8 Ion: 6 Torps: Yes Shields: Yup! Hyperdrive:yup Here we go. This is the Rebel power bomber. Better in all stats than the y-wing, they can rip Imp capital ships to shreds in seconds, and can dogfight in a pinch. I like them alot, and they are great addition to any Rebel Fleet. Imperial Counterpart: Well, see, this is where it gets tough. The Tie defender is a counterpart to the x-wing really, where as the interceptor matches the a-wing. If I had to say, it’s the bomber, which the b-wing outclasses so much it isn’t even funny. Troops So, let’s break down troops and their stats. Basically troops are what you use to take planets, garrison against attack or sabotage, or can even use for colonization. There are roughly 2 assault troops, and three garrison troops per side. I’ll start by breaking down what each stat means. In general all stats are boosted by the leadership value of the general you have assigned. I think. The documentation is super unclear on how it works. Refined Material: Cost: Self explanatory. Keep in mind the build time formula which is costX4/# of training yards (Adv. count as 2). Maintenance cost: How much maintence hit you get per unit Attack: How well they assault planets. Obviously, the bigger the number, the better they are at it. Defense: How well the defend planets. Again, bigger is better So, how do these interact? Do values from multiple troops stack? How do you determine casualties? How come my 18 attack 9 troops lost to one defense 6? I don’t know! The game doesn’t actually explain it. It’s pretty clear as mud. This is why I disdain doing planetary assaults as a strategy in general. Bombardment defense: This is how well your troops stand up to getting shot at from space. Not sure how it scales vs ship bombardment value, shields, etc. Detection Rating: How well they detect enemy agents. I know I’ve been over it, but guess what I am gonna say on how the detection mechanics work? Imperial Troops Imperial Army Regiment  Refined Material Cost: 6 Maintenance Cost: 3 Attack: 3 Defense: 5 Bombardment Defense: 5 Detection Rating: 15 So, this is the good ole fear AT-AT unit. Pew Pew. …..Here’s where the game gets stupid at release. These are the starting defensive troops. Imperial Navy units have better attack rating. It also has the worse detection rating, so I mean, on one hand it’s inferior to garrison planets with, but on the other it’s great? But AT-AT stands for All Terrain - Assault Transport. Of well. (TBF, Rogue One has them used in a defensive role they are good at) Rebel Counterpart: Alliance Army Regiment. Same stat line, worse detection rating. I guess these are better? Imperial Fleet Regiment  Refined Material Cost: 7 Maintenance Cost: 5 Attack: 5 Defense: 3 Bombardment Defense: 2 Detection Rating: 20 So this is the Imperial starting assault troops. Pretty weak overall. For an extra cost per unit, and increase maintenance, they have a better detection rating? I DON’T GET IT. I do get those sweet porn-staches tho Rebel Counterpart: Alliance Fleet Regiment. See a theme? So, uh, the Rebel one boast an attack value of 6. So, yeah, the Rebels, who when it comes to battles, we have only see on the defensive (Beginning of ANH and ESB) are better on attacking? Look this game is stupid ok? Stormtrooper Regiment  Refined Material Cost: 9 Maintenance Cost: 6 Attack: 6 Defense: 6 Bombardment Defense:6 Detection Rating: 25 The most expensive of the starting troops, and best overall, Stormtroopers surprisingly aren’t nothing to snuff at. Combined with the best starting detection rating, they are a pretty good starting troop, and worth having if you have the building power. Rebel Counterpart: Sullustan Regiment. In a one on one fight, oh man massacre. Stat line comparison also. Buuuuuuut, Sullustans are more valuable. Why? Cheaper for one. You can build them much faster, for less cost and less recurring hit. Also, higher detection rating. So, toss a couple shields up with the cost savings, and they are much better at being a garrison troop. War Droid Regiment  Refined Material Cost: 9 Maintenance Cost: 8 Attack: 8 Defense:2 Bombardment Defense:2 Detection Rating: 5 Ok, so, high cost. High maintenance. Good at assault. Terrible at defense. Absol-loving-lutely atrocious detection. I mean I don’t use em because I don’t do planetary assaults. They’d probably be good at it? I mean, if you could build enough in enough quantities to do it. Rebel Counterpart: Wookiee Regiment. The big walking carpet brigade is superior. For one more cost on building, you get same attack, double the defensive rating, and much better detection. Dark Trooper Regiment  Refined Material Cost: 12 Maintenance Cost: 8 Attack: 8 Defense:8 Bombardment Defense:6 Detection Rating: 30 So, these are the best troops in the game bar none. They are also the most expensive. Highest attack rating, highest defense rating, 2nd highest bombardment defense and detection, these are good allrounders. With my style, they are the perfect garrison troops, even if they are literally twice as expensive as stormtroopers. Also, I kinda really like the picture. The nice subway station there, the little dude under arrest. Rebel Counterpart: The Mon Calamari Regiment. Better on Defense with bombardment defense, weaker on the attack, half the cost. Honestly, Dark troopers the best, but most expensive. Mon Calamari are great if you can’t get shields on a planet. Rebel Troops Alliance Army Regiment  Refined Material Cost: 6 Maintenance Cost: 3 Attack: 3 Defense:5 Bombardment Defense:5 Detection Rating: 10 Basic defending troops. One of the two you start with. I mean, they’re not even that strong, but hey, keep em around for a while. Imp Counterpart: The Imperial Army Regiment. Alliance Fleet Regiment  Refined Material Cost: 8 Maintenance Cost: 6 Attack: 6 Defense:3 Bombardment Defense:5 Detection Rating: 15 Basic attacking troops. I guess the higher attack is so they can go toe-to-toe with Storm troopers? I dunno man Imp Counterpart: Imperial Navy Regiment Sullustan Regiment  Refined Material Cost: 3 Maintenance Cost: 1 Attack: 1 Defense:4 Bombardment Defense:2 Detection Rating: 35 So, yeah, cheap as hell, super low maintenance cost, and great detection make them ideal for garrison work. Toss a couple shields up to give them the defense they need, and you got yourself a fortress going Imp counterpart: Stormtroops. Quantity def beats quality here. Mon Calamari Regiment  Refined Material Cost: 6 Maintenance Cost: 4 Attack: 2 Defense:8 Bombardment Defense:9 Detection Rating: 20 These guys are pretty great. For important defenses I go with a mix of them and sullustans, just for detection. They can tank star destroyers shooting at them without shields I’ve found. I mean, may I should use them to garrison planets more. Imp counterpart: Dark Troopers Wookiee Regiment  Refined Material Cost: 10 Maintenance Cost: 8 Attack: 8 Defense:4 Bombardment Defense:4 Detection Rating: 20 Decent enough assault troops. Kinda pricey for what they do, but hey, you get the party wookies. Seriously, that photo looks almost a rock bank doesn’t it? Replace the guns with guitars. Guy in the back is the drummer! Imp counterpart: War droids Here’s how a fight between them goes bunnyofdoom fucked around with this message at 16:26 on May 21, 2017 |
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bunnyofdoom posted:Drayson I so badly hope that the new Battlefront 2 has special melee animations for Wookies in the vein of Halo's "assassination" glory kills.
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I hope the next Battlefront actually has better space battles.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Wookiee Regiment You forgot to replace the placeholder with your picture.
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General Revil posted:You forgot to replace the placeholder with your picture. You tell me this after I walked away from computer. Will fix it tonight
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Technically the ones in Rogue One are AT-ACT as in All Terrain Armored Cargo Transport thus why they have that big orange block in their center which was for hauling cargo and they aren't meant to fight on the front lines. Still it fits with the Imperial mandate of giving guns to everything no matter how silly.
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Drayson wasn't sent to get the katana fleet, it was Virgilio.
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Dark Troopers are born out of the Dark Forces game (the prequel to Jedi knight). The War Droids are from Dark Empire 2, used by the rebels to attack the Emperors secondary palace.
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Dark Troopers have shown up in a bunch of later games, though, and different games can't agree on just what they are. Are they Force-sensitive Imperial soldiers given training but not full-on Sith? Are they completely AI war machines? Cyborgs? Force-sensitive soldiers turned into cyborgs? Who knows, it changes in every depiction.
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I've had this game since it came out and every so often go through a phase of playing it solidly for a few weeks. It's tremendously flawed but scratches an itch. Despite the ungodly number of hours of my life I've put into it, it is still capable of surprises. In a recent game as the rebels I had secured coruscant and the rest of the sector, so moved the HQ there and built a few shield generators and got on with the rest of the war. A couple of hundred of turns later the video of the HQ being destroyed popped up completely out of the blue. They had taken it out in a sabotage mission, something which I had never seen happen before.
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