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Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


Is the Tie Defender in this game?

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bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

HardDisk posted:

Is the Tie Defender in this game?

Yes. It is the final fighter tech unlocked for the Imperials.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Poor Piett :(

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
So they turned the TIE Bomber into a downscaled Assault Gunboat?

So does the actual Gunboat exist?

....Probably would have been more useful with an Ion. Replace one of the lasers for it? Hmm.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Sadly no gunboat. However gunboats do already have ions. They are pretty much the same load outs as ywings IIRC in xwing vs tie fighter.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER
New challenge suggestion: I Am Thrawn

Don't get Pellaeon killed, please? :ohdear:

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

I'd say that Tie Defenders are quite decent at anti cap-ship work (like X-wings, Tie-Ds have torpedoes). though I never end up using them on a small scale to compare with Bombers.

Losing Piett though, ouch.

PoptartsNinja posted:

An Earth Shattering Kaboom - Destroy an entire sector with the Death Star.

Doubly fun because you pretty much get none of the benefits of having/using the Death Star and all of the penalties.

For bonus challenge - a CORE sector.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Veloxyll posted:

I'd say that Tie Defenders are quite decent at anti cap-ship work (like X-wings, Tie-Ds have torpedoes). though I never end up using them on a small scale to compare with Bombers.

Losing Piett though, ouch.


For bonus challenge - a CORE sector.

They are but rhey don't have ions in this game.....

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

So what composition are you using for your assassination squad? 1 main character and 2 noghri decoys, 2 of each, ...?

SOLarian
Oct 29, 2012
Pillbug
Something else I never understood in this game: Which stat is used for what mission? Well most are obvious, but especially for incite uprising I don't know if it is diplo or leadership or something else.

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015





IIRC incite/subdue is just plain leadership. sabotage is espionage & combat together, assassination/capture is combat only and recruitment is leadership only. All those are modified by the target character's combat and/or the planet's loyalty. Supposedly research is slightly boosted by just the number of relevant facilities on the planet. Combat and espionage also have roles in resisting capture and avoiding enemy detection so those stats have indirect benefits on most missions.

SOLarian
Oct 29, 2012
Pillbug

hard counter posted:

IIRC incite/subdue is just plain leadership. sabotage is espionage & combat together, assassination/capture is combat only and recruitment is leadership only. All those are modified by the target character's combat and/or the planet's loyalty. Supposedly research is slightly boosted by just the number of relevant facilities on the planet. Combat and espionage also have roles in resisting capture and avoiding enemy detection so those stats have indirect benefits on most missions.

I see, thanks

Asmodai_00
Nov 26, 2007

does this mean we can look forward to a planet exploding to make up for the loss of Piett?

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Asmodai_00 posted:

does this mean we can look forward to a planet exploding to make up for the loss of Piett?

err, constructing a Death Star is no mean feat. IIRC it costs 500 in maintenance points alone and a single shipyard will take about 2000 days to finish it. The only way to build one in practical terms is to wait until you research advanced shipyards and build 10 of those on a planet somewhere, preferably on a secret base in the galactic rim so the enemy can't find and sabotage it.

I'm not saying we shouldn't build one, I'm saying doing so is bloody expensive in time and resources.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

double nine posted:

So what composition are you using for your assassination squad? 1 main character and 2 noghri decoys, 2 of each, ...?

Depends on what the target is. With high combat skills? 3 main characters on the strike team, two Noghri as decoys. Low? 2 mains and 1 noghri decoy, or 2 noghri main, 1 decoy, but will increase to 3:2

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

bunnyofdoom posted:

Depends on what the target is. With high combat skills? 3 main characters on the strike team, two Noghri as decoys. Low? 2 mains and 1 noghri decoy, or 2 noghri main, 1 decoy, but will increase to 3:2

The smart option is 32+ Noghris + Vader and Bobwannabe on "Kill" with another 60 or so commandos plus some garbage agents on decoy.

Doesn't Gets them every time :colt45:

Asmodai_00
Nov 26, 2007

double nine posted:

err, constructing a Death Star is no mean feat. IIRC it costs 500 in maintenance points alone and a single shipyard will take about 2000 days to finish it. The only way to build one in practical terms is to wait until you research advanced shipyards and build 10 of those on a planet somewhere, preferably on a secret base in the galactic rim so the enemy can't find and sabotage it.

I'm not saying we shouldn't build one, I'm saying doing so is bloody expensive in time and resources.

I fail to see the problem?

:colbert:

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Guys, guys, spoiler alert. I will be building a death star this run now. Just to show it off.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Gee I hope it doesn't have a runin with some rebel fighters.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Veloxyll posted:

Gee I hope it doesn't have a runin with some rebel fighters.

a massive battlestation against a bunch of pathetic one-man fighters? I think you over-estimate their chances.

especially once we get Tie Defenders up and running

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010



double nine posted:

a massive battlestation against a bunch of pathetic one-man fighters? I think you over-estimate their chances.

especially once we get Tie Defenders up and running

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the auto-calculate.

Bacon In A Wok
Jan 27, 2014

Prop Wash posted:

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the auto-calculate.

You say 'insignificant' like it's a BAD thing.

inscrutable horse
May 20, 2010

Parsing sage, rotating time



"Death Star? Nonono! Death Stars! We just forgot about the other one."

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

Ah, yes, the "Whoopsie" incident. :allears:

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
So, I am 9 days into the new update and....I now have all the Intel to win right away. Should I or should I prolong this?

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
Might as well, if this was a run to show off the basics. I mean, the game practically handed you Luke and Leia.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

so they actually were on Bespin? Fancy those odds...

I mean artificially prolonging the campaign would probably feel too fake? But I don't like it.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

double nine posted:

so they actually were on Bespin? Fancy those odds...

I mean artificially prolonging the campaign would probably feel too fake? But I don't like it.

No. I'll spoil this, I didn't find out from probe droids. In fat, I cannot say with 100% it is their HQ, but it is drat likely, and a good example of the quirks of the game.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

bunnyofdoom posted:

No. I'll spoil this, I didn't find out from probe droids. In fat, I cannot say with 100% it is their HQ, but it is drat likely, and a good example of the quirks of the game.

Oh for gently caress's sake. I want proof, not leads!



Seriously though, if you've found a rebel planet in the galactic rim then the rebel hq is no doubt somewhere nearby.

My default setup for finding the rebel base was, once the core's most stressing problems were fixed, to build or use 2 galleons fill them each with 9 probe droids and send them to 2 sectors on opposite sides of the galaxy. Really made it feel like that opening scene from Empire with the probe droids pouring out of the star destroyer. Only with a more disposable craft.

double nine fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Aug 9, 2016

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

double nine posted:

Oh for gently caress's sake. I want proof, not leads!



Seriously though, if you've found a rebel planet in the galactic rim then the rebel hq is no doubt somewhere nearby.

My default setup for finding the rebel base was, once the core's most stressing problems were fixed, to build or use 2 galleons fill them each with 9 probe droids and send them to 2 sectors on opposite sides of the galaxy. Really made it feel like that opening scene from Empire with the probe droids pouring out of the star destroyer. Only with a more disposable craft.

I tend to wait til midgame and do it with assualt transports because they are much faster.


Anyways, I decided to basically go until I get the 10 corpses I need, which will not take too much longer, then take down the HQ. Update will be up tommorow evening, or Thursday.

Servicio en Espanol
Feb 5, 2009
Say what you will about Rebellion's merits as a strategy game, but I'll always have a soft spot for it letting me build like 200 Dreadnaughts for my own Katana Fleet challenge back when I was a kid.

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015





The base is pretty slippery on average though, I've definitely played more than one game where I've lit up the galaxy in green/red because the final objective was on the last unconquered planet of the last unconquered sector.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

hard counter posted:

The base is pretty slippery on average though, I've definitely played more than one game where I've lit up the galaxy in green/red because the final objective was on the last unconquered planet of the last unconquered sector.

I kept failing that last capture. Ended up conquering the whole galaxy just to make prison inescapable!

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Also, this update will have the most characters I think, and some great space combat!

Herr Tog
Jun 18, 2011

Grimey Drawer
sweet! shall we play 'let the bodies hit the floor'?

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Jobbo: can I modify you challenge? Can I make it so for every one of my people drop I add two more I have to kill?

radintorov
Feb 18, 2011
I have to say that I was surprised by the number of characters and ships that came from the West End Star Wars D6 that were used in this game.

And speaking of, one possible challenge you could do is to only use characters and ships from canon works, which I believe are only the movies and the various tv series, though I could be wrong.
No idea how feasible it would be, though. :v:

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

radintorov posted:

I have to say that I was surprised by the number of characters and ships that came from the West End Star Wars D6 that were used in this game.

And speaking of, one possible challenge you could do is to only use characters and ships from canon works, which I believe are only the movies and the various tv series, though I could be wrong.
No idea how feasible it would be, though. :v:

It's already on the challenge list if you look closely :ssh:

bunnyofdoom fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Aug 10, 2016

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

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TEAM-MATE
Can you even research the important things with this challenge? I guess you can simply bombard everything down and don't need to worry about ground troops, and upgraded buildings can be replaced by having more buildings. But especially the Alliance can't cope with only having their starting ship tech. Who are the fleet researchers for the Rebels?

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bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Torrannor posted:

Can you even research the important things with this challenge? I guess you can simply bombard everything down and don't need to worry about ground troops, and upgraded buildings can be replaced by having more buildings. But especially the Alliance can't cope with only having their starting ship tech. Who are the fleet researchers for the Rebels?

Rebels actually luck out. All their researchers, except for the super researcher and one facilty, are indeed canon. Ships: Wedge and Ackbar. Troops: Madine and Reikan Buildings: Lando and Karrde.

For imperials, it is harder. Ships: Thrawn and Klev, Troops: Veers and Covell, Buildings: Villar and Orlock.

Thank god for Rebels giving me a ton of good new cannon stuff I can use like the interdictor, rebel escort carrier and Thrawn

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