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uh neoliberalism is easy to define its whatever "The Economist" magazine likes
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Wikipedia's got a very good article on the term and its history. Basic definition:quote:Neoliberalism (or sometimes neo-liberalism)[1] refers primarily to the 20th century resurgence of 19th century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism. Or to define by example, it's what Reagan was the ultimate example of. Bill Clinton wasn't as neoliberal as him, but he was still much moreso than Democrats had been up to that point, so much that it led to the creation of the term New Democrat. Also something important to note: quote:Advocates of Free Market policies avoid the term "neoliberal". Put another way, generally people who don't like the term or say it's meaningless are themselves neoliberals. In that way it's a lot like "hipster" or "racist." echronorian posted:It means I want to help the poor but also want to bomb other poors, get gay married and shoot machine guns Despera posted:1.Capitalism? The term's economic and doesn't have anything to do with waging war. You might be thinking of "neoconservative." Which ironically someone can be at the same time as neoliberal, in fact that's basically what the #NeverTrump wing of the Republican party is.
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Baloogan posted:uh neoliberalism is easy to define so the economy?
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Typo posted:so the economy? great, great, you take the good joke and dilute it by stanning for 'the economist'. well done.
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echronorian posted:It means I want to help the poor but also want to bomb other poors, get gay married and shoot machine guns 
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Aug 8, 2016 09:23
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Despera posted:Expanding government while privitizing it. Love to see how that works. Corporate welfare
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Aug 8, 2016 09:48
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Prof. Lurker posted:like why is hillary a neoliberal and why is it bad. and why do leftist push all their angst towards it? thankyou in advance social liberalism is what we generally call liberalism, making the term classical liberalism kinda confusing. neoliberalism is the resurgence of classical liberalism adopted by both democrats and republicans, and it's more near libertarianism on the economic side. basically, with neoliberals you will see cries for deregulation (bill clinton repealing glass steagle), removal of governmental safety nets or their replacement with for work programs (bill clinton's welfare reforms and workfare), and privatization. neoliberal democrats still push for some of the tenets of social liberalism (like some aspects of equality), while ignoring social liberalism whenever the issue gets even close to being economic (welfare). hope that helps
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Despera posted:Expanding government while privitizing it. Love to see how that works. Isn't that basically what you get when you combine the war on drugs with privatized prisons?
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Aug 10, 2016 02:05
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Aug 10, 2016 05:33
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im a  liberal
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Aug 10, 2016 05:41
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Milton Friedman
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Aug 10, 2016 05:44
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Helsing posted:Isn't that basically what you get when you combine the war on drugs with privatized prisons? That is an obvious example, yes. Basically when you create perverse incentives by judicial policy and market solutions, you get Neo-Liberalism.
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Aug 10, 2016 06:12
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more like neoloserism
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Aug 10, 2016 13:36
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Baloogan posted:uh neoliberalism is easy to define
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Aug 10, 2016 14:18
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found this 
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Karl Barks posted:found this "don't do what this guy did"
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Aug 10, 2016 14:46
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Karl Barks posted:found this i made so much money shorting tech stocks that i can finally afford a gremlin
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zen death robot posted:It's the way and the light friend There Is No Alternative
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Aug 11, 2016 00:09
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Long answer: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...m=.03165a739234 Short answer: https://twitter.com/crushingbort/status/463132110006784000
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Do you guys actually dislike neoliberalism or corruptions of capitalism by elites? Do you advocate the anarchy of states?
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Commerz posted:Do you guys actually dislike neoliberalism or corruptions of capitalism by elites? Do you advocate the anarchy of states? Boy when you put it that way, with the only choices being "pure" capitalism or Anarchy, I guess the status quo is pretty great!
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It's been stripped of any meaning and is now basically the left-wing version of calling someone a [cuck].
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zen death robot posted:It's the way and the light friend The eternal light, Derek Zoolander endlessly turning right.
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Aug 11, 2016 16:48
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Its what liberals call other liberals who are bad and not good and something something full communism something
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i miss the wordfilter
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Aug 13, 2016 19:45
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an awful lot of hillbros still salty about being correctly called neoliberals during the primary itt
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The term doesn't have anything to do with war or social policy and people are trying to make the definition way more complicated than it is.Commerz posted:Do you guys actually dislike neoliberalism or corruptions of capitalism by elites? Do you advocate the anarchy of states? I do dislike neoliberalism and corruption, and I don't advocate anarchy.
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a miserable pile of treaties
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Commerz posted:Do you guys actually dislike neoliberalism or corruptions of capitalism by elites? Do you advocate the anarchy of states? Yes but my formative years were spent reading a lot of Zinn and Chomsky
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roughly in/after the 80s (thatcher/reagan are the headliners here) there was a big change in state policy among the advanced capitalist countries, featuring privatisation, financial deregulation, suppression/dismantling of organised labour, so on and so forth. this is 'neoliberalism'. this became hegemonic among the political class and defined a new normal, which is why blair and clinton are called 'neoliberals' - they are to the left of thatcher or reagan, but within the context of this new normal. it's seen as a disaster on the left, responsible for wage stagnation and financial crises, most prominently the 2008 crisis and the austerity debacle. hence its use as a term of abuse for politicians on the right wing of left parties, who are seen as perpetuating this thing which the basic task of left parties should be to overturn or reverse. but all the major 'moderate' leadership of both left and right parties in anglophone america and western europe are 'neoliberal' in that they act in this context. if they weren't they wouldn't be seen as moderate. there's more details to all of this (that I don't know) but that's the gist of it. it's used sloppily but has a straightforward meaning.
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I'm neoliberalism but I'm also emo so I won't tell you what's going on my mind.
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i conflate blue dog democrats (which there dont seem to be that many of any more) with neoliberals
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it's like those futuristic cities with all the neon lights but it's just the future and we're still living in the same poo poo as always
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Weeping Wound posted:it's like those futuristic cities with all the neon lights but it's just the future and we're still living in the same poo poo as always It's cyberpunk without any of the stuff that makes it cool.
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Jewel Repetition posted:The term doesn't have anything to do with war or social policy and people are trying to make the definition way more complicated than it is. So do you want an anarchic nation state system controlled by scared realists or a liberal world government system corrupted by capitalist overlords
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It can mean several things: 1--an agenda of radical laissez-faire capitalism, often advanced as 'structural reforms' in the context of austerity or post-socialist transitions; associated with the political context of the last quarter of the 20th century, derived from the theories of Hayek and Friedman and often put into practice by authoritarian politicians like Pinochet, Yeltsin, and Deng. 2--a more moderate version of (1) the infamous 'trickle down economics' , enacted in the developed Western countries to roll back mid-20th century redistribution and labor regimes--e.g. Reagan and Thatcher. 3--a capitulation of the center-left to the political terms of (2), in the form of a turn away from social democratic policies for 'market-based solutions' to ostensibly progressive goals, e.g. Obamacare and charter schools -- the "Third Way" 4--a modern international trade regime that reflects a hybrid of policies from (2) and (3), eg TPP The radical left can sometimes exaggerate by equating 3 (Clintonian 'neoliberalism') with (2) or even (1). Furthermore, I'd argue that the left sometimes fails to distinguish sufficiently between the policies of Bill Clinton (who ran on a classic 'Third Way' neoliberal platform and then implemented it) and Hillary Clinton (who is currently presenting herself as actually closer to an old-school "tax and spend liberal", no doubt partly thanks to Bernie Sanders). Nevertheless, there is at some connection between all of these usages. proletarian_pixie has issued a correction as of 20:04 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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Commerz posted:So do you want an anarchic nation state system controlled by scared realists or a liberal world government system corrupted by capitalist overlords No.
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proletarian_pixie posted:The radical left can sometimes exaggerate by equating 3 (Clintonian 'neoliberalism') with (2) or even (1). Furthermore, I'd argue that the left sometimes fails to distinguish sufficiently between the policies of Bill Clinton (who ran on a classic 'Third Way' neoliberal platform and then implemented it) and Hillary Clinton (who is currently presenting herself as actually closer to an old-school "tax and spend liberal", no doubt partly thanks to Bernie Sanders). Nevertheless, there is at some connection between all of these usages. I'm always quick to acknowledge Hillary's policies are way better than her sonofabitch husband's were.
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