Babylon 5: Reboot and Zooty

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Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Lot of bad episodes had terrible rubber monsters, like Season 1 Infection, or the Season 3 Grey 17 is missing.
Still love this show and rewatch it every couple years. Even the Crusade and the TV-movies.

EDIT: I see that the Lurker's guide to Babylon 5 is still up after all these years.
It is the best source of references, little tidbits and JMS musings on the show.

Issaries fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Aug 12, 2016

# ¿ Aug 12, 2016 13:38

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 02:55

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

People only wish that Nagrath was a product of a fevered nightmare. He's real and pretty much got canned, because humans with rubber-masks are easier to work with.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 03:54

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Milky Moor posted:

There was someone who claimed to have worked on DS9 who said as much a few years ago, and you can find old JMS usenet postings where he seems pretty frustrated with how DS9 is, somehow, doing similar plot arcs at similar times as B5.

Or characters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9WkQTzAcYk

An actor for a Rebel general couldn't make it to a pivotal episode, because he had been booked as a Rebel Admiral in a DS9 episode.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 17:31

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Is it Crusader bad? Ranger-movie bad? or just boring?

# ¿ Oct 19, 2016 14:23

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

MrL_JaKiri posted:

It was getting less bad by the end, it may actually have been Good within the next series!

Just like B5!

# ¿ Dec 11, 2016 23:25

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Jedit posted:

On the other hand, The Parliament of Dreams.

Other B5-era SF TV: Robocop, VR.5. And of course, if you want to see exactly how much Paramount stole from the B5 playbook there's Dog poo poo Nine.

DS9 vs B5 is so 90's.
Nowadays you can like both of them.

# ¿ Oct 20, 2017 13:19

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

turn left hillary!! noo posted:

Oh yeah, Earth2. I totally forgot about that! I really, really tried to like it when it was airing.

It had weapons-grade annoying children, if I remember correctly.

I had a friend who really got into it and declared it the most realistic space tv-show ever.

# ¿ Oct 20, 2017 16:14

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Clouseau posted:

I think the seat of your pants thing works because you can't expect television production to be predictable - even with cast changes and his back up plans, if B5 was canceled in season two (like Sense8) there'd be no real satisfying way to wrap it up without having a tv movie that just speeds through plot.

Every season of B5 had a nice ending, that would have worked as series finale:

Season 1: All gone to poo poo. (Shame there wasn't more seasons)
Season 2: All still poo poo, there's some hope. (Shame there wasn't more seasons)
Season 3: Sacrifice at Zhadum (World saved. the end)
Season 4: Sleep in light + Conflicts end (Best spot to end series, IMHO)

# ¿ Aug 4, 2018 23:05

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

fist4jesus posted:

Jeramiah is a pretty good JMS show.
It has Luke Perry and the Son from the Cosby show, who probably has a dark secret.

I 2nd this recommendation. a Really good post-apocalyptic show. a Shame it only got 2 seasons.

It also has Sam Gamgee as regular on second season.

# ¿ Feb 13, 2019 07:35

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Do you know what a poster has to do in order to avoid picking up stray spoilers?

Watch every episode?

# ¿ Oct 17, 2019 00:11

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

JMS other show Jeremiah was also pretty good. Too bad it only got 2 seasons.

# ¿ Jan 5, 2020 15:55

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

"Babylon 5: Das Ende Der Markab"

Very topical.

# ¿ Apr 28, 2020 15:34

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Yeah. Don't ruin it.

Just start rewatching the series yet again, like me.

I haven't seen The Gathering in like 15 years or so, because none of my season boxes or movie boxes have it.
First impressions: The beginning is really exposition heavy and feels more like independent station, than an actual Earth outpost.

# ¿ Jun 3, 2020 23:41

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

TheAardvark posted:

S2E20 - The Long, Twilight Struggle

Wow. Yep, seems pretty clear to me now why G'Kar will be the one to kill Londo.

That felt like a season finale to me, holy poo poo.

I'm pretty sure we all thought this back in the day. :lol:

# ¿ Jul 16, 2020 21:47

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Eighties ZomCom posted:

Delenn assumed Anna was dead because Anna wouldn't willingly work for the Shadows. She didn't know about people being used as CPUs for Shadow vessels or what effect that has on people.

Delenn Lied, Sheridan Died.

Don't trust her.

# ¿ Jul 30, 2020 15:01

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Grand Fromage posted:

I remember JMS posted once that a White House staffer told him Bush and Cheney were big B5 fans. Never sure whether to believe JMS' stories though.

That's easy to believe. Clarke is clearly Lyndon B. Johnson to JFKs Santiago. They even remade his inauguration.

Sheridan is ~~Nixon~~ Reagan in this scenario.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2020 19:43

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

I said come in! posted:

Babylon 5 is an extremely good show.

It is one of my top 3 JMS shows too.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2020 06:57

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Also Jeremiah was great.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2020 21:19

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Surely there was an rpg or card game that could answer these questions.

No stats, but a lot of text.

# ¿ May 1, 2021 14:06

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Oasx posted:

I had no idea there was a B5 thread.

I recently re-watched it, I was a little disappointed that they didn't remaster/re-do the CGI, but I understand that that would probably have been extremely expensive, otherwise it looks really good.

CGI was originally made with Amigas, so it can't be that expensive.
What's the current going rate for a Amiga-farm to render some CGI?

# ¿ Sep 13, 2021 09:24

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Babylon 5: The Next Generation

# ¿ Sep 28, 2021 18:31

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

We clearly need a new thread title. Post your ideas.

Babylon 5: The Coming of CW-series

Babylon 5: Reboot... Zoot Zoot

Issaries fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Sep 29, 2021

# ¿ Sep 29, 2021 13:02

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

It failed. DUN DUN DUN DUUU.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2021 13:19

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

I wonder if JMS is going to do the OG Delenn transition story from male Minbari to female Humbari or is it too :yikes:

topic for this day and age

I'd say the core of the show is the 3 Ambassadors and 3 Station Senior staff.
Other regulars, like ambassadorial attaches, Doctor and Telepath are more easily replaced and changed.
I don't count Kosh, because he is more of a Deus ex Machina, than a character.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2021 20:06

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Babylon 5: No Cute Kids, No Cute Robots. Teens maybe?

# ¿ Sep 29, 2021 21:31

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Having families really grounded DS9 in a way that B5 lacked.

Well there was a kid in Believers
Also one or two in Confessions and Lamentations.

Do you really want more kids to die?

# ¿ Sep 29, 2021 22:16

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Alhazred posted:

I mean, how would you tell the difference between a good haircut and a bad one in this show.

Theres s2-5 Garibaldi vs season 1 Totally not Balding.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2021 15:54

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Narsham posted:

I am depressed by your somewhat hateful and false depiction of Delenn. Minbari caste systems are not fixed (we witness a conversion on Neroon's part and all he has to do is make a public declaration), it is unclear how their leadership is chosen but they appear to have at least a somewhat representative system, and Delenn turns down multiple leadership positions over the course of the show. I find it disheartening that Clark and ISN's transparent propaganda smearing Sheridan in part through racial animus directed at the Minbari generally and Delenn specifically has somehow crept into your post as valid. There's a lot of valid concerns about Delenn, and the show highlights several, but this is not worthy of you.

Ultimately, if your criteria for leadership is that the "peasants" have to be in charge or it's authoritarianism, I wonder what real-world governments have avoided authoritarianism in your eyes.

If vast majority of people are peasants, then they should get more say than the elites.

Minbari government is bit based on 3 estates, where tiny minorities of Nobles and Clergy held more say than the Peasants.
In show the mobility between castes is possible, but treated as something special, not common.
A deathbed conversion of a one of the most powerful Minbari wouldn't have been such a power move, if it was considered common thing to do.

All governments in Babylon 5 have their failings. Minbari problem is their rigid caste structure that's based on obeying their betters.

# ¿ Oct 23, 2021 00:48

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

sebmojo posted:

She also condemned an entire race to death when she was mad one time, she is an alien of contrasts

To be fair, she has grown more as a human since then.

# ¿ Oct 23, 2021 03:24

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Clark/Clarke is easy mistake to make as they're both real similar names.

It's harder to understand using Minibars and Zorlons. That's my hard line.

# ¿ Oct 23, 2021 11:10

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Small White Dragon posted:

Well "Confessions and Lamentations" (the episode where the Markab are all killed off by a virus) was more interesting on this rewatch.

I still find it hilarious that German name for the episode was:
�Das Ende Der Markab�
To the point and direct.

# ¿ Nov 7, 2021 01:36

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Jedit posted:

"If". Book 3 in particular sells for a mint now.

Mint is for ~~suckers~~ collectors

Good condition book 3:s seem to be about $25 from US. Of course a bit more expensive if you import it to Europe / Kangarooland.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2022 11:57

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Souls are like farts.
They're not you, but are a part of you.
And once one escapes your body, you can never put them back.

Therefore doc was right.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2022 12:52

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

# ¿ Sep 18, 2022 17:57

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

So assuming the JMS meltdown means that the new B5 is completely dead?

# ¿ Feb 1, 2023 14:49

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Timby posted:

focusing on the 55-and-older crowd is what killed the future of the show.

10 years too soon remake?

# ¿ Feb 1, 2023 15:54

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

My understanding of the first ones was that they are technology based too, including their immortality.
It is just that their technology is so advanced that it is indistinguishable from Magic by the younger races.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2023 19:29

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Rappaport posted:

Lorien was immortal, naturally. It's unclear how it worked out with the Vorlons and Shadows.

Yes, but was Loriens Greatgreat... n~69 ..Grandpa Immortal?
I think not.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2023 19:35

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

from newbie thread

Grand Fromage posted:

They also do a great job with the composition and stuff so even though it's low res it still looks good. And the CG significantly improves through the series.

Eh, it is a matter of an opinion. Series gets more pixels, but the design and composition goes to poo poo.
No more semi-realistic Newtonian Space combat. Instead we get Star Wars style Pew Pew Pew and Airplane dogfights.

Best space battle is between Narns and Shadows in Season 2 episode "The Long Twilight Struggle". No contest.

# ¿ Mar 23, 2023 11:08

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 02:55

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

CainFortea posted:

???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPcFzBBS3tc

They did add a bit more...swoopyness?...but that always seemed relegated to the more advanced ships in the show overall.

As far as I'm concerned, swoopy ships are less advanced :colbert:

This is the good stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqpVl-gdIyE

# ¿ Mar 23, 2023 14:49

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