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Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Do you have a chunk of 99.98% silver in there? Ive never had a issue with gunk build up with it in

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Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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So having just found out that silver and nickle coated blocks dont play well....after just stripping my loop and cleaning out 2 gpu blocks and a cpu block and reading EK's study of Irregularities on the surface of water-cooling blocks http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/EK-IMAGES/Corrosion_Report_Final.pdf

given that they used the following
- Distilled water
- 5 mL of Copper(II) sulfate pentahydrate 4.1% (high concentration to accelerate the process)

as a comparison how does that compare to having a silver kill coil in a loop with distilled water?

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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eames posted:

What's the minimum maintenance required for a "custom loop" these days? How do you guys protect against pump failures with 24/7 setups, is it feasible to run two pumps in with Y-pieces in "failover" mode?

I don't necessarily want to get into watercooling (my last watercooled CPU was a Athlon Thunderbird) but the new overclocked X299 processors with 350W+ TDP wouldn't leave me much choice.

Minimum is replacing your coolent every 12 months, having a look for very slow leaks every 6months ( just look inside for dry coolent) and as for pumps if your running a 24/7 system that never stops you can set up dual pumps in series in the loops and have them run off a controller that can sound a alarm if one fails and or turn the pc off

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Soft tubing does how ever run the risk of breaking down if the water gets too hot and then the plastix particles block up your gpy and cpu grids

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
So would people be interested in seeing a Build log for a Caselabs SMA8 with a full retard custom hard line setup?

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
OK so lets begin, may as well start with a parts list. Most of what you will see below I have already and some things I'm still waiting on release and/or will need them (fittings etc)

First off this build is full retard and I know how much of a over kill it is, how ever just once I wanted to try building a over the top hardline rgb'ed out the rear end custom overkill PC that will give me a challenge of building it so yes i know its dumb, just enjoy it


No even all of the WC parts are here in this photo

560mm Alphacool Monsta radiator
2 EK Coolstream XE 360mm radiators
EK Coolstream PE 480mm Radiator
Bitspower DSTOPX2 dual D5 pump mount
2 Protium Large black clear reservoirs with Etheral Dual mounts
Aquaero 6XT
2 Aquacomputer D5 pumps with Aquabus
Aquastream XT Flow sensor
4 Spitty9's (Fan splitters)
5 Thermaltake Riing plus 140mm RGGGGBBBBBBBB fans :catdrugs:
5 Thermaltake Riing plus 120mm RRRRGGGGBBBBB fans :catdrugs:
EK 16mm hardline fittings and extensions
and a bunch of noctua 140mm and 120mm fans to make ever radiator push push (theses are from my old build and will be out of sight)

as for actual PC parts in the case its going to have the following
2 1080ti FE cards with full cover EK water blocks and back-plates
a Threadripper + Mobo once thats out with a Mono block for the CPU and the VRM's on the mobo
G-skill RGB ram to suit max ram speed + timings

So why the over kill? well with 2 1080tis and a (hopefully 4ghz) 16c/32t Tripper im looking at 300w per gpu and if I9 is anything to go by about 400-500w from the cpu+vrms so theres a lot of heat to be cooled

to fit all this i need a case....

The case will be a Caselabs SMA8, this thing is loving gigantic and with some extra brackets can mount a 560mm rad on the bottom up to a monsta 80mm thick with push pull fans AND a 60mm thick EK XE 360mm rad push pull on the other side of the lower deck.

However even a lower section large enough to house a small kitty

can become full very fast

Well thats not so bad...


What about down in the basement...




Ok so its going to be a little tight but all the wires will fit...right? its not like the PSU is going to be a tight fit ether hah who would be that dumb right?

oh...guess I am, As future photos will show that i will only have a area of 150mm x 80mm x 180mm to fill a 1200W psu and all the cables needed to power everything. I'll leave this monster post with a rough idea of how my tubing is going to go inside the case.

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Well the plan is with the radiator area i will have to play with and the control the aquaero gives you i can run fans and pumps at variable speeds and i expect to have fans at 5-600rpm most of the time

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
I waa actually planing on modifying the connectors so that they would be connected up to the aus aurasync software

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
I'll be the first to admit that they were picked for aesthetic reasons first over function as they will be the push part on push/pull set ups with noctua NF-A14 and NF-F12s doing the heavy lifting out of sight

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy


So it only took 4 hours but this pump block has come up looking really nice and should look great with some leds lighting up the coolent

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

What did you do to it?


So it comes as in the bottom photo, cloudy and very rough looking so i took to it with 1200 sand paper and then a plastic polish and vola

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
So its update time,

And today I get to show you why you should always flush out your brand new radiators every time as look at that gunk tisk tisk EK


Enhance!


I also drilled my first set of pass through holes, while the underside currently looks like there is plenty of room, the plumbing connecting the 360mm to the 560mm rad will have to come up into the main build area and connect there which I think will look rather nice over just a blank plate there



more to come when I find the time!

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
I really need to do a update post for my build but heres a teaser

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
So Time flies when your working 50 hour weeks so progress has been slow due to that and the lack of parts (PCCG were is the 16mm tubing ffs)

so given that I have a 60mm rad at the front and a 35mm rad in the top the front rad at its default position would clash with the fans for the top radiator, so out comes the dremel to fix this





You'll notice the difference between my first template and the final product, always get enough sleep and triple check your measurements, or at least undercut them :P


things are very tight but it all fits

As the basement is so tight for space the joins between the 560mm & 360mm rads has to come up into the main build area, they also will have in and out temp sensors


Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
As you can see both rads in the bottom are push/pull with Noctua doing the heavy lifting while the Thermaltake ones are there for show :P



At this stage x399 finally came out and I got the Zenith in for test fitting and tub routing while I wait for SL to have a worthy chip to go in



Having never bought a top of the line mobo before I'm blown away by how high quality everything is and I cant wait to see the Monoblock for this from EK



I've worked out that the Thermaltake fan RGB's run off the addressable type so my plan is to split the fan and rgb combo plug into separate plugs so they can go to splitters (more detail to come soon)

below is testing the rgb and leds for the pump block and res,


while white does look good, the coolent will be EK's Navy Blue so I'm going to use blue LED's

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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Mr Shiny Pants posted:

Wow, you are really making an effort out of this. I just bought a Phanteks and slapped everything inside. :)

Well I wanted to make a balls to the wall pc, I havnt even got started with fitting the PSU and the custom cabling Im going to have to do re bus bars for the LEDS or the tight fit at the front for the aquero controller

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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BurritoJustice posted:

I love the build Scarecrow, unfortunately they weren't out when you started but it is possible now to have both RGB lighting and high quality fans in one. Phanteks sells RGB fan frames so you can have good RGB with any white bladed fan.

For anyone else buying new fans for loops, avoid the noctua F series fans. They're super outdated and superseded in every way by newer fans in performance/noise/price, hell they weren't even the best when new. The best thing to look at are darkside GT's, NB eLoops, EK Vardars, or Corsair ML series. The ML's aren't the absolute best for performance (that would be the GT's and their cousins), but I love them for their total lack of bearing noise and overall pleasant tone. Phanteks makes super good fans as well, but they are mostly the best in heatsink fans (for tower coolers). This is really not relevant for Scarecrows build as there is enough rad space that it doesn't matter at all. It could probably be run passively for a decent duration due to the sheer heat capacity of that much fluid and passive heat transfer.



loving love the DIY stuff you've posted so far, you're really doing a fully perfected/integrated setup and it's awesome.

I stuck with the NF-P12's because I had some from my last build and I liked the performance and sound of them, never really thought about looking at other fans so you had me thinking I've hosed up getting more of them but looking at stats

EK Vardar EVO
Static pressure 3.16mm h20
Max RPM 2200RPM
33.5dBA

NF-P12
Static pressure 1.68mm h20
Max RPM 1300RPM
19.8dBA

soooo yeah :| bummer maybe I should have looked at them or the new Noctua NF-F12 fans

Static pressure 3.94mm h2O
Max RPM 2000RPM
29.7dBA

Ah well as you say the amount of radiator surface area and fans will mean most of the time they will hardly be on (and I plan on having 4 different Fan zones that will individually turn on and off based on the loop temperature )

And thanks, been seeing other peoples Threadripper builds and holy loving poo poo they look like such rear end

as for those fan RGB covers I can only wonder at how much they are going to cost (but then again I'm looking at poo poo like this

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/32429/alphacool-eisschicht-1-5mm-thermal-pad-17w-mk

for a loving wopping $249AUD and thinking "hmmm maybe it would be worth it for the VRMs under the monblock"

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
So I got my Threadripper build finally finished (for now) and im running at:

4.1ghz 1.385v
3200Mhz 14-13-13-28-42
2 Sli 1080tis @ 2076Mhz core

measured from the Vcore pinout my Zenith board has and only hitting over 60c when I run prime95 ( cpu hits 310W :staredog: )

Also getting some sick mad 3Dmark scores in Firestrike like this one :
30K
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/22326827

still need to work on getting Pstate clocking to work but so far im really happy with the build besides one thing....the loving thermaltake fans ARE loving GARBAGE DO NOT BUY THEM HOLY poo poo AHHHHH
Thermaltakes garbage software flat out does not work on the threadripper platform atm, I had to plug my loving laptop into the controller to change the loving fan speed and RGB colour and im looking at if I can return them as gently caress this what a joke

anyway here are some photos

only just fits a 170mm PSU + cables behind the 360mm rad in the bottom


starting the filling process


thank you jesus it POSTed


Final color setup


Still need to finish setting up the Aquareo software and get some custom cables for the gpus as the stock ones are just terrible looking

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
yeah the plan is to have everything power down to basically off when not needed once I work out how to setup the Aquaero software right, tho the garbage thermaltake fans are currently loving up that plan and im looking at replacing them with EK fans with phantek led covers

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:

I really like the idea of planning a loop such that no bent tubing runs are required. Great work!

Yeah no bends is nice but holy poo poo piss the cost of fittings, im too scared to really look at how much i spent on them

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
So im going to be returning these stupid loving Thermaltake fans.

I'm looking at ether EK or corsair

Corsar:
140mm
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/36037/corsair-ml140-140mm-premium-magnetic-levitation-fan-twin-pack
120mm
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/36032/corsair-ml120-120mm-premium-magnetic-levitation-fan-twin-pack

EK:
140mm
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/39979/ek-vardar-evo-140er-white-2200rpm
120mm
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/40046/ek-vardar-evo-120er-2200rpm-fan-white

with these over the top
120mm
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/40366/phanteks-halos-120mm-rgb-led-fan-frame
140mm
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/40368/phanteks-halos-140mm-rgb-led-fan-frame

im thinking the corsairs but I really want to be sure this time as holy poo poo what a pain in the rear end this is

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
PCCG do have a really good selection of pc parts but their warranty team can be giant cunts at times so I'm expecting them to be sooks about me returning these thermaltake fans but gently caress the idea of having to RMA the controllers to get them to work on AMD motherboards

as for the grey yeah they wont pop as nice as the white EKs the ML's look to match the build better with the black frames

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

rage-saq posted:

Seriously the ML120s hands down beat Gentle Typhoons and Vardars (a remade GT clone that competes right on with a GT). They are insanely great.


now thats the Pro versions, will the standard MLs do jsut as well?

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
just hope that not having the rubber dampeners wont mean they are louder

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Ha well guess we will see how i go when I get 12 of the bloody things

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

BurritoJustice posted:

Yeah PCCG support is garbage, they blatantly don't give a poo poo about the Australian consumer laws and have told my mate to take them to small claims if he wanted a refund for his GPU that wasn't depreciated. I usually use Mwave or Umart because they're both 10 minutes drive away. I've only dealt with Mwave support, they're slow but they always accept returns no hassle in my experience.

I only bought from PCCG because they have fittings that no-one else keeps in warehouse stock and I didn't want to wait for Mwave to ship them from Slovenia. I really wish we had a good big retailer that specialised in water cooling as it's a real pain to get specific fittings.

I'm really hoping it wont come to that but gently caress if i have to I will take them to VCAT (which is the place you would take something like this not small claims) as this is a clear slam dunk win with how the ACCC defines a major issue with a product

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

underage at the vape shop posted:

Report that poo poo to the ACCC.

E: All Australian computer retailers try to skirt the law but the ACCC don't give a gently caress, they just fine them into submission. I've never had an issue with an Australian operating company once I name drop the ACCC/relevant ombudsman, you might have to go up a few supervisor levels until you get someone who realises how hosed they are if they refuse a refund.

Also remember if your in victoria or the shop is in victoria your point of call to raise a issue under the accc is VCAT

Fees to arrange a hearing are cheap and for issues like not following the consumer laws re refunds/returns its a slam dunk in your favor

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
So does anyone know if you can control the brightness of the leds on the corsair ml150 pro led edition fans or are the just set to be on max 24/7

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Ok well lets hope the ml120 ml140s with out the rubber mounts are ok

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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Don Lapre posted:

Keep in mind you have to run them as pwm.

Yeah did read the review on them and so far really impressed with how quite they are, they do get loud at max rpm but thats almost purly the metric gently caress ton of air they push

Gonna be nice being able to control them with my aquaero too
Finally worked out how to make custom fan profiles in that software

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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Scholtz posted:

Is there no SLI bridge?

he has a sli ribbon

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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Indiana_Krom posted:

I decided my 7700k was running too hot for all the money I spent on this 420mm custom loop cooler, so I grabbed some thermal grizzly conductonaut and a rockit 88 delid tool. Yielded exactly 20C reduction in load temperatures under the same conditions. The factory thermal compound Intel uses really is complete garbage.

There really is zero defence for using tim besides saving a few bucks and possible lost dies from the process, i just hope and continues to put presure on intel forcing them back to soldiering

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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SlayVus posted:

JayzTwoCent just did a video on Primochill's Vue liquid, after a couple months of use he saw no gunk up of the blocks and says it even cleaned the blocks.
https://youtu.be/fMV6XsUsZb8



wouldnt be surprised if the particals in the Vue fluid are having a abrasive effect on the gunk, would love to see how it fairs after 6+ months of use tho (maybe I'll stick it in a system I have at home and see how it goes)

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Ive got a sma8 and have zero regrets about it, you can fit so many god drat radiatiors in it

From memory I have

Top mount 45mm quad 120mm
Front mount 60mm tri 120
Left side of the bottom has a 80mm quad 140mm
Right side has a 60mm 360mm and still (just) fits a 180mm length psu

And all that is for a 1950x and sli 1080tis with a water temp of less then 10c delta to ambient at very low fan speeds

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

Build quality looks awesome. I'm impressed at how much they cram into a small space, and the layouts logical, too (I have no idea how some case designs are made the way they are).

If you had any photos of your builds in them it would make me happy until I order. Awesome.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3786165&pagenumber=15&perpage=40#post476729589

have a scroll down that page and you will see some of the photos I took of my build

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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Xerophyte posted:


Stupid questions:
- How much tubing do you need? I'll be getting a midtower (Define R6 probably, O11 maybe) and I wont be doing anything super fancy.
- Is matte white soft tubing a thing? All soft tubing I could find was glossy for some hopefully dumb reason.
- How many extra random fittings will I want, and which types?
- Relatedly, do components with >2 fitting attachment points typically come with plugs for them?
- Any point in getting elbow joints for tight turns with soft tubing?
- No mixing metals, sure, but aluminium fins are fine on the radiator as long as the tube is copper, right?
- Is there a good site to buy this stuff in the US? EKWB is obviously nice, if you're willing buy exclusively EKWB stuff. I used performance-pcs for my preliminary list and they have a lot of different things at what looks like reasonable prices, combined with both the aesthetics and functionality of a geocities storefront ca 1998.

So ... that kind of hurts, but I'm not sure there are that many corners I want to cut when I am trying to direct a high pressure water stream inside my big box of really expensive electronics. EKWB components would be a couple hundred bucks more from the look of things, so in that sense I'm saving tons.

-3m of tubing should do you just fine, if you cant find matte white hosing what you could do instead is get a clear tubing but get a pastal white coolent

-if your doing soft tubing then you will only need fittings to connect it all to each point cpu block, radiator etc so 2 fittings per item in the loop though you may want to think about a drain port of some sort as when it comes time to draining the loop you will be thanking yourself so much.

-if they have more then 2 ports then yes typically they will come with blanking plugs for the excess ports

-elbows and rotary joints can be good for even soft tubing to ensure your not putting kinks or tight bends in the loop so it will depend on how your going to route your tubing.

-yes thats fine as like you said the aluminum is not in contact with the loop parts

-as im in :australia: I cant comment on this last part sorry :)

and finally if your going to put a water block on a 2080ti, just get the reference model PCB its more then up to spec to over perform, as just like pascal, turing is voltage locked so all the extra bells and whistles that AIBs put on are useless once you put a custom wc block on top!

God I look at that part list and slowly weep when I think how much my cooling loop cost, I spent more then that entire loop in just fittings !

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Since air is compressible and water is not, having less air would increase pressure, assuming your pump was able to provide a head pressure of anything meaningful

Since this isn't the case fill with water until there's enough to keep the pump wet and to a level your happy with

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Air is very compressible example a scuba tank

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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DrDork posted:

Sure, with a loooot of effort. A SCUBA air compressor does like 3-5000+ PSI. Your CLC loop will start leaking at like...20-30 PSI, and even the pumps themselves normally aren't specced for over 100 PSI. Totally different categories there. You're not producing meaningful compression with a water cooling pump.

Its still valid, take the same volume of water as what's been put in a CLCand see how far you can compress that volume down vs if it was just full of air

Air compresses more then water as its gas vs liquid and having a tiny bit of air or 3cm of air in your res makes no difference besides aesthetics so long as your pump stays wet

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Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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Going from room temperature to 40-45c is a un remarkable temperature difference in terms of pressure change inside your res, a car radiator is run at higher then atmospheric pressure becuase it increases the thermal efficiency of the engine itself.

Having a tiny bubble of air or a large air pocket makes zero difference

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