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 Hh.  He's vengeance. He's the night. He's Batman. He's been around for more than 75 years and he's not going away anytime soon. Chances are pretty good you know who this guy is, but in case you need a refresher course, this is Batman's Shameful Secret Thread, and we're here to talk about Batman. Your Major Players  BATMAN//Bruce Wayne Young Bruce Wayne witnessed his parents shot to death in a mugging and dedicated his life and his vast fortune to eradicating crime. He spent his adolesence training, learning, and plotting, and as an adult uses his fighting prowess, unmatched detective skills, and technological gadgetry to scare the crap out of the superstitious and cowardly criminals of Gotham City. He's the guy whose name is on the front of the comic, so you probably know his deal pretty well. He's recently had his body and mind healed by exposure to a strange element known as 'dionysium', resulting in a faster, stronger, better adjusted Batman. With DC's Rebirth line, Batman is striding confidently into the future, better equipped than ever to take on the challenges of his truly hosed-up world. PROS: Master of all known martial arts, incredibly rich, world's greatest detective, square jaw, firm handshake CONS: Depressingly easy to write as wish-fulfillment for fascist right-wingers APPEARING IN: Batman, Detective Comics, All-Star Batman, Justice League, Trinity  BATWOMAN//Kate Kane Kate's parents were both lifelong members of the military, and after her mother Gabi and twin sister Elizabeth were killed in a terrorist attack, Kate vowed to follow in their footsteps and enlisted. Unfortunately she was booted from West Point under Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Directionless, Kate drifted around Gotham's party scene until a chance encounter with the Batman, Kate realized there was another way for her to fight back. She became Batwoman, with her father as her only ally and confidant. Recently, Bruce has reached out to Kate and sought her help training the next generation of crimefighters in Gotham City. PROS: As good at Batman stuff as Batman, far more stylish while doing so CONS: None, she is a perfect, flawless treasure APPEARING IN: Detective Comics  Commissioner Jim Gordon Most of the Gotham City police force appreciates what Batman does, but Commissioner Gordon is the only one Bruce would consider a friend. Jim is a tough, honest cop in a city where that's more likely to get you killed than promoted, but the loyalty he inspires and his dogged determination has kept him as the top cop in Gotham. After Bruce's temporary bout with amnesia, Jim briefly took over as a police-sanctioned Batman in a robot suit, an endeavor Jim referred to as "the stupidest idea in the history of Gotham City". With Bruce back in the cowl, Jim is back where he belongs, on the roof with the Bat-Signal, looking stern and authoritative. PROS: Has a mustache again CONS: Smoking is bad for you APPEARING IN: Batman (so far)  Alfred Pennyworth The faithful butler of Wayne Manor, Alfred is Bruce's oldest friend, mentor, and surrogate father. He's constantly helping Batman, whether he's testing new gear or covering for Bruce's sudden absence at a charity ball. A trained actor and former combat medic, his skills have saved Batman's life on countless occasions. Recently he lost a hand to the Joker, but it doesn't seem to have slowed him down at all. PROS: Equally skilled with a feather duster, a teapot, and at the controls of the Batwing CONS: Dry British wit difficult to defend against APPEARING IN: Pretty much anything with Batman in it  NIGHTWING//Dick Grayson Dick was a circus acrobat until his parents were killed by gangsters. He was taken in by Bruce, who saw his own tragedy reflected in the boy, and trained to focus his pain into crimefighting as the first Robin. Dick found time to romance both Barbara Gordon and Starfire of the Teen Titans while still being Batman's faithful partner. As he grew up, he took the identity of Nightwing and struck out on his own. He's just returned from faking his own death to go undercover and infiltrate the shadowy organization, Spyral, and back in the blue and black tights, he's...undercover, infiltrating the shadowy organization, the Parliament of Owls. PROS: Dat rear end CONS: Can't stop being dead or undercover for five Goddamn minutes APPEARING IN: Nightwing, Titans  BATGIRL//Barbara Gordon When Jim Gordon's teenage daughter Barbara came to live in Gotham, she wanted to be a cop, like dear old Dad. Jim wouldn't hear of it, and regulations said Barbara was too short to sign up anyway. So she found her own way to clean up the city, and as Batgirl, she was one of Batman's first partners. Sadly, she was shot by the Joker and paralyzed, and her recovery was long and grueling. Technological advances have gotten her back on her feet again, and she's hit the streets as Batgirl once more. PROS: Photographic memory, extremely good costume CONS: Baggage from Killing Joke threatens to overwhelm any positive progress APPEARING IN: Batgirl, Batgirl and the Birds of Prey  ROBIN//Damian Wayne As the name suggests, Damian is the son of Bruce and Talia al Ghul, the daughter of Ra's, one of Batman's oldest enemies. Accelerated to adolesence and raised by assassins, Damian's greatest challenge has been to leave behind the murderous ways of his upbringing and carry on the heroic legacy of his father. A troubled child, deep down he loves his pets and just wants to make his father proud. He rarely gets along with the older members of the Bat-family, but is gradually growing out of his role as the bratty little brother. PROS: Improbably skilled at literally everything, considering he's like 13 CONS: Little poo poo APPEARING IN: Super-Sons, Teen Titans  RED ROBIN//Tim Drake After witnessing the dynamic duo in action, a young Tim Drake deduced Batman and Robin's true identities. Years later, when the second Robin was killed, Tim realized Bruce would destroy himself with guilt and set out to save the Dark Knight. Tim became the third Robin, with detective skills on par with Batman himself. After Bruce's son Damian became Robin, Tim became Red Robin and remains one of Batman's most talented and trustworthy partners. PROS: Genius hacker, programmer, & inventor CONS: Stupid codename APPEARING IN: Detective Comics  ???//Duke Thomas Duke's life has been intertwined with Batman's mission since he was a child, when his parents took in a badly wounded Bruce Wayne during the Riddler's Zero Year occupation of Gotham City. As a teenager, he became the de facto leader of a band of amateur vigilantes calling themselves Robin, until his parents were driven mad by Joker toxin. Faced with the possibility that his parents may never recover, Duke was taken in by Bruce Wayne for training. PROS: Resilient and determined with a strong sense of justice CONS: Probably going to get called Lark forever APPEARING IN: Batman, All-Star Batman  SPOILER//Stephanie Brown When mostly-forgotten rogue the Cluemaster launched his intricate scheme for revenge against the Dark Knight, nobody saw it coming. Nobody except for Cluemaster's teenage daughter, Stephanie, who managed to escape her father's attempts on her life and bring his house of cards crashing down. Calling herself Spoiler, Stephanie has integrated herself into the Bat-family through sheer determination and a dogged refusal to give up, ever. PROS: Upbeat personality a necessary contrast to the rest of these gloomy orphans CONS: Severely tempted by waffles APPEARING IN: Detective Comics  ORPHAN//Cassandra Cain Cassandra is the daughter of David Cain, master assassin. She was the result of a project to create the ultimate fighter from birth, by denying her developing mind access to language. Her ability to communicate has been replaced with the ability to read body language instead, making her perhaps the most dangerous hand-to-hand fighter in the world, while rendering her nearly mute and illiterate. She rejected the violent life of an assassin and has found a new family with her fellow misfits and weirdos in Gotham City. PROS: The best at hitting people CONS: Not great at things besides hitting people APPEARING IN: Detective Comics  CLAYFACE//Basil Karlo Clayface was one of Batman's oldest foes, until a bizarre cult used his earthen body to revive the ancient witch, Morgaine Le Fey. Left injured and amnesiac, Clayface was rescued by Ragman, and together they helped Batwoman take down Le Fey. Now aware of his criminal past, he wanted nothing more than to leave it behind. He was approached by Batman, who offers Karlo his help in controlling his clay body. Clayface has somewhat awkwardly joined with Batman's allies, who accept him despite his past. PROS: Voiced by Ron Perlman CONS: Some loving writer will probably make him evil again pretty soon APPEARING IN: Detective Comics  RED HOOD//Jason Todd Jason was an angry, tough street kid who bit off more than he could chew when he tried to steal the tires off the Batmobile. Batman took pity on him, and took him in as the second Robin. Batman tried to direct the rage within Jason, but ultimately failed, as Jason's anger and violence took control of the boy. He was eventually killed by the Joker, and now serves as a grim reminder of the cost of Batman's war on crime. PROS: He's dead CONS: They're still making comics about him for some reason APPEARING IN: Red Hood & the Outlaws WHERE ARE THEY NOW? BLUEBIRD//Harper Row A feisty teenage genius, Harper walked away from crimefighting after the revelations of Batman & Robin: Eternal. CATWOMAN//Selina Kyle Bruce's longtime/sometimes love interest, Catwoman took over Gotham's crime families before returning to prowling rooftops in leather. She doesn't seem to be appearing in any of the Rebirth books though. BATWING//Luke Fox The son of Lucius Fox, Luke was last seen getting smoochy with Barbara in the pages of Batgirl, but has yet to pop up in Rebirth. WHAT ABOUT THE COMICS? Batman is DC's biggest property and there's a ton of comics featuring ol Bruce and his band of merry orphans every month. DC's Rebirth has been mostly great for Batman and friends, with the return of a lot of fan-favorite characters in starring roles and some great creative talent. BATMAN by Tom King and David Finch Featuring Batman, Alfred, Jim Gordon, and new protoge Duke Thomas, Batman finds a reinvigorated Bruce Wayne dealing with the emergence of two new superpowered defenders in Gotham City. These new guys have their hearts in the right place, but so far it turns out Gotham City isn't terribly receptive to their kind of help. DETECTIVE COMICS by James Tynion IV and Eddy Barrows Batman and Batwoman team up to whip the next generation of crimefighters into shape before the mysterious force watching them all can make their move. Featuring Red Robin, Spoiler, Orphan and Clayface, this new team will have to start working together in a hurry, because whoever's out there isn't messing around. ALL-STAR BATMAN by Scott Snyder and John Romita Jr. Two-Face has blackmail material on the entire state of Gotham, collected over a criminal career, and whoever manages to kill Batman and set Two-Face free gets rich. If nobody does, he'll spill his secrets on everybody. The most wanted man in America, Batman's on his own with only Two-Face to keep him company. NIGHTWING by Tim Seely and Javier Fernandez Fresh from his stint as a super-spy, Nightwing is going after the nefarious Parliament of Owls. They're starting to get suspicious that Dick keeps refusing to kill people for them, and so he's been stuck with a new partner, the enigmatic and unbalanced Raptor. Dick's got to do the right thing, but what is Raptor's angle in all this? BATGIRL by Hope Larson and Rafael Albequerque Leaving Gotham and her new tech start-up in capable hands, Batgirl embarks on a road trip to seek out martial arts masters past and present in Asia. Of course trouble seems to follow her wherever she goes, and this won't be any different. BATGIRL AND THE BIRDS OF PREY by Julie & Shawna Benson and Claire Roe While she was paralyzed, Barbara made a name for herself as Oracle, the technological wizard at the heart of Batman's operation. Now, someone has taken the name Oracle and is using it to set Gotham's underworld up with vital intelligence. Batgirl teams up with her old friend Black Canary and the volatile former superspy known as Huntress to get to the bottom of this. RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS by Scott Lobdell and some loving artist, who cares Jason Todd is dead. His spirit has found rest in the afterlife, where he plays out a fantasy world of heroics, where he is the best and all the superheroes want to be his friend. Pretty sad, but I guess someone must be buying it or they wouldn't be printing it still. YET TO COME: Damian teams up with Jonathan Kent, the new Superboy, for SUPER-SONS The original Batman of the future, Terry McGinnis, returns in BATMAN BEYOND Olive and Maps go back to school for GOTHAM ACADEMY: SECOND SEMESTER Harley Quinn does Harley Quinn poo poo in HARLEY QUINN
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RECOMMENDED READING ZERO YEAR by Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo Batman's modern origin story. A sprawling, neon-colored epic from two creators at the absolute top of their game. GRAYSON by Tim Seely, Tom King and Mikel Janin Dick Grayson's time undercover as super-spy Agent 37. Witty and gripping in equal measure. BATMAN AND ROBIN by Peter Tomasi and Patrick Gleason Bruce and Damian struggle with their father-son relationship. Deeply heartfelt and consistently engaging. ROBIN, SON OF BATMAN by Patrick Gleason Damian travels the world to make amends for his violent past. A hyperactive joy ride with a surprising amount of heart. BATMAN: ETERNAL and BATMAN & ROBIN: ETERNAL by Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV, and a huge amount of artists Two weekly series that reintroduced fan-favorite characters Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain. BATWOMAN: ELEGY by Greg Rucka and J.H. Williams III A fantastic introduction to Batwoman and a great story all around. THE CLASSICS BATMAN: YEAR ONE by Frank Miller and David Mazzuchelli The unforgettable origin story from 1986. BATMAN: THE LONG HALLOWEEN by Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale A year-long murder mystery deep in the heart of Gotham's crime families. BATGIRL by Scott Peterson, Kelly Puckett, and Damion Scott Cassandra Cain's tenure as Batgirl. BATMAN & SON, BATMAN: RIP, BATMAN & ROBIN, BATMAN: INCORPORATED, etc. by Grant Morrison and various artists Grant Morrison's enormous, ambitious Batman story practically forms its own universe. Equilibrium posted:Morrison Bats reading order: ROBIN: YEAR ONE by Chuck Dixon, Scott Beatty, and Javier Pulido A great, retro-tinged story of Dick Grayson's first steps as the Boy Wonder. BATGIRL: YEAR ONE by Chuck Dixon, Scott Beatty, and Marcos Martin Like Robin: Year One but for Batgirl. These two stories work so well together they're being sold as a single trade paperback these days! BATMAN: NO MAN'S LAND A massive crossover event that sees Gotham cut off from the rest of the world, taken over by gangs and desperate madmen. There's so many more great Batman stories though, I could not possiblty list everything here. That's what this thread is for, though. What's your favorite Batman story? purple death ray fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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I'm not a fan of The Killing Joke. The art is very nice and I do enjoy the flashback bits though. I also don't like pretty much anything Frank Miller has done, with the exception of Year One. I'm definitely a statistically insignificant part of the fanbase though as most people consider Moore and Miller defining influences on Batman. It's true they've been very influential as way too many writers are trying to follow in their footsteps since the 80s but I would argue overall they've been a negative influence as this has lead to people mostly writing Batman as a violent rear end in a top hat and the Joker as an unstoppable, one-note killing machine constantly trying to come up with something more shocking than his last atrocity.
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Batman Eternal isn't the best but it didn't have a panel where Bruce tells his son it's cool to murder people as long as your name is Jason Todd so I don't know where that puts it on the spectrum. Both of them are IMO largely entertaining stories with some rare great bits and some truly colossal craters of garbage hidden throughout. B:E did a good job with Steph and B&R:E did a good job with Cass, so I recommend them both.
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Aug 13, 2016 19:39
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Toxxupation posted:I'm almost certain that panel you're describing didn't happen in B and R Eternal. Issue #22 
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Yeah, nobody can talk about Jason. Sorry I brought it up. I really liked how Cass looked at the end of the issue with the hood off. I hope she keeps it that way for a little bit.
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Dario the Wop posted:
Not really. They had a pretty harsh falling out after it was revealed that he knew Elizabeth (Batwoman's twin sister) was still alive, but they eventually patched that up. And I would suggest anybody whos a fan of Batwoman from Elegy or her appearance in Detective now, check out her solo series at least up to the conclusion of the Wonder Woman team-up. Back in the early days of New 52 it was what I looked forward to most every month. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Tell that to DC. That is why RHATO isn't being edited by Doyle's group. Wonder Woman is under Doyle's group now, by your logic I should put Wonder Woman in the OP. I don't give a poo poo who's editing what book, Jason and Damian are Batman characters. purple death ray fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Aug 13, 2016 |
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Wonder Woman is Rucka's sandbox now. And hey, I don't care anyway but seeing you're so against Red Hood I thought you would be happy for the conversation about the book to remain in the General DC thread but whatever I would rather nobody talk about RHATO but Jason remains an important part of Batman's history, so he got a space in the OP. If it'll get you to stop posting about RHATO I can delete it. e: Like for real dude there's got to be some Batman stories you like aside from fuckin Red Hood. Can you please just chill for a second and post about Batman purple death ray fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Aug 13, 2016 |
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Aug 13, 2016 21:34
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SonicRulez posted:Deciding on my favorite Batman story is actually a little tough. Year One probably has the best narrative objectively, but that's a Gordon story way more than it's a Batman story. I like The Dark Knight Returns a lot. It's odd for it not to be in the OP under classics even if you're not a fan. It's a story that has influenced Batman and the comic book industry since it came out and is still having a large impact on both today. For better or for worse. I consciously left DKR and Killing Joke out because they're both so overexposed nobody reading this needs me to tell them they're considered 'classics' and they're also extremely overrated and have had an overwhelmingly negative effect on Batman stories and comic books as a whole.
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Aug 13, 2016 21:52
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Ferrule posted:Same applies to Year One. Year One is good though. It's under a post called "recommended reading", I'm not going to recommend people read comics I think are bad. I know I'm in the minority but Year One is the only Miller Batman book I can tolerate anymore. And even then Toxxupation is right, Zero Year is a better story.
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SonicRulez posted:Why do you think The Dark Knight Returns is a bad comic? Outside of the after-effects I mean. Overrated is worthless, but actually bad is something I'd like to read about. Nah, he wouldn't. But I doubt most writers would say that about their own work. I don't like DKR because honestly, it's a sickeningly fascist story. People say Miller went nuts into hard-line right-wing reactionary mode after 9/11 but honestly it's all right here, simmering just below the surface. Anybody who leans liberal at all gets turned into a ridiculous strawman, for example Carrie's hippie parents who criticize police brutality are neglectful burnouts who apparently smoke so much weed they forget they have a child. Miller's uniquely (at the time it was unique, at least) brutal Batman is a 'rebirth of the American fighting spirit', and people who aren't okay with putting petty criminals in wheelchairs are framed as weak-willed crybabies who can't stomach what obviously needs to be done. It seems like the story wants to shine a light on the ease with which readers will accept brutal, vigilante violence when it's framed as a superhero story, but it quickly becomes obvious the story wants you to revel in this poo poo. DKR is Batman as a relic from an older time, as Miller obviously believes, a better time, a time when the undesirable elements of society were excised from the world rather than being coddled by a bunch of psychobabble-spouting TV personalities. The conflict comes from this relic smashing into the then-modern day of the 80s, a time of 'self-esteem' and 'political correctness' that simply cannot handle Batman doing what needs to be done to clean up society. And Batman is shown as being right every single time - the New Age feel-good fluff of Dr. Wolper can't heal Harvey Dent or the Joker, and young people are little more than violent animals who need to be led to a new master when their old alpha is put down. Their methods aren't bad - they're just hurting the wrong people. Comic books have always flirted with these concepts - Batman at his core is breaking the law to force his version of 'right' onto the world - but Miller's deliberately politicized it and made it as much like the 'real' world of the 1980s as he possibly can. It's impossible not to apply this story to the real world as it was when it came out and movies like Death Wish were doing the same thing in other media. Yes, it is a very well-made comic book. The storytelling is top-notch, Miller was at the top of his game in the 80s. Lynn Varley and Klaus Janson don't get nearly enough credit for her role in the look of DKR (check out Grant Morrison's Gothic, which Janson illustrated, to see just how much he added to DKR independent of Miller) and the colors are excellent. I think the art devolves into almost formless scribbling about halfway through, but Varley's colors hold it together. But the story it's telling is pretty repulsive. edited to correct: Klaus Janson illustrated Batman: Gothic. purple death ray fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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Ferrule posted:Look, you ask anyone to name the top 3 Batman books and its Year One, Killing Joke, DKR. Period. I think what you mean is, you ask anybody to name the top 3 most popular Batman books and that's what they'll name. Sorry, I don't take it for granted that these are The Best Ones and any discussion about Batman has to acknowledge how great they are. I guess you would recommend what you consider 'important' or 'significant' comics to people. I would recommend comics I thought were particularly good, or comics that nailed the personality of the character the best. I think there are mountains of Batman comics better than DKR and Killing Joke. I've said throughout this thread I'm obviously in the minority there, but that's how it is. It's also incredibly boring to talk about the same three Batman stories since 1988, so I would seriously, 100% rather hear about those weird 80s-90s comics you love. Tell me about the poo poo you're uniquely passionate about. Everybody knows about Frank Miller's stuff, not everybody knows how great Batman/Grendel was. Let's talk about that stuff instead.
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Aug 13, 2016 23:53
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Unless is Red Hood You talk about Red Hood more often than this entire forum posts about DKR though?
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SonicRulez posted:That seems like quibbling. It is Joker, it's just a well-written Joker. In fact, I would argue that a fair bit of the story is working to establish that he was crazy before he ever hit the acid. He was always The Joker bubbling underneath the surface. I would actually say this is the weakest part of Zero Year. I don't find Red Hood One well-written at all, specifically because he's already the Joker. Not only do I think that's a narrative cop-out but Snyder's Joker is consistently awful, and I did not appreciate having him around giving these huge page-spanning puppetmaster speeches in what is an otherwise excellent story.
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SonicRulez posted:I want to go there with you guys, but I just didn't hate it that much. I didn't love it, but I thought it was a fine comic. I've seen Heart of Ice. I played the DLC of it in Arkham Origins. I saw him in Batman Beyond. I know Mr. Freeze's story beats like the back of my hand by now. Doing a complete swerve was at least something fresh. I'm big on "different =/= good" and that may hold true for the story, but it just didn't bother me like I know it does so many others. I could be off-base, but I think I got out of Batman Annual #1 what other people got out of Iron Man 3. They didn't have to change the origin, just maybe tell a story that isn't an origin though. I agree everybody knows the Heart of Ice story but it's not like their only options for a Mr. Freeze story were a binary "Do Heart of Ice again" vs. "Completely change the character with a bizarre, tone-deaf new origin story".
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SonicRulez posted:They could've done another Mr. Freeze story, but I can't think of any that have been good and did not follow the same beats as Heart of Ice. I'm just saying they had a choice between keeping the old Freeze and making a new one. I'm in favor of the latter. I don't really see what's so tone-deaf about it, the new character fits right in with New 52 Batman's Rogues. I've gone off on this before, but overall the New 52 homogenizes the rogues into a bunch of insane killers whose only real difference is the gimmicky way they kill people. Mr. Freeze goes from being a person a lot of people could probably empathize with, despite his obvious issues, to being another Crazy Guy Who Kills People. He is different from the other Crazy Guys Who Kill People, only because he kills them with a freeze gun, as opposed to mind-control hats, or poison that makes your face into a smile, or whatever. I guess it does make him fit in with the New 52 rogues but that's just because the rest of them are also really badly written. purple death ray fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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You've got drat good taste in Batman stories yo. I love Blades. I love most of those old Legends of the Dark Knight stories too - Gothic, Snow, Venom are all great stories. Most of them are collected individually too but a Best Of LoDK omnibus could be a cool thing.
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Kurzon posted:I also didn't like her having massive boobs. Ninja bitches should have small chests, like a gymnast. 
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I will add that GMo reading order to the OP. I disagree that Final Crisis is in any way required reading for GMo's Batman stories, though, all you need is the knowledge that the Justice League was fighting Darkseid, which happens every month or so, and Batman shot him, but Darkseid blasted him with the Omega Sanction and everyone thinks Batman is dead now. Batman & Robin proceeds under the assumption that he's dead and Return of Bruce Wayne will gradually reveal what actually happened to him. The rest of FC might enrich these events but honestly it is just as likely to chase somebody away from superhero comics forever.
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Anime_Otaku posted:It might be a bit early to tell but what's the most new reader friendly Bat book in Rebirth? I've read a good number of the classics (Year One, Long Halloween, Serious House, The Killing Joke, The Dark Knight Returns) but for me I've always found the rogues more interesting than Batman but with the reboots I'm thinking of giving the character another go. I would agree with Toxxupation that Detective followed by All Star is your best bet but that's mostly because they're both better than the main Batman book is right now. All three of them start with the assumption that you know who Batman is and little else. Detective has a large cast bit starts with a pretty concise introduction to all of them so even if you don't know who Batwoman is it's pretty easy to jump in and run with the story. I guess Batman is using Hugo Strange and Psycho Pirate, those are kind of obscure characters. Also if you like the rogues gallery Clayface is on Batman's team in Detective and All Star heavily involves Two Face so both of those are great.
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Roth posted:So did Batman #5 just end with Gotham Girl stating that she and Duke eventually get married? Because drat did King ship those two off pretty quickly. Seems like it! Also looks like Batman's gonna die again. Unless of course Teenage Fansub posted:The narration boxes at the end of this issue are certainly intriguing.
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Squizzle posted:I have delved into GBS to bring a this post back to my people, for our consideration: How does one quantify 'Batman Power'. Adam West Batman is probably the only literally-unbeatable one in the bunch, so he should logically be at the top.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Where does the Telltale Batman fit on that list? Non-Rocksteady Video Game Batman.
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SonicRulez posted:I can't even lie, I gave out about BvS so much that I got it out of my system and forgot that even happened. I will still maintain that Affleck played the role he was given very well. That the Batman he was given sucked on a fundamental level isn't his fault. He should still beat out Schumacher Batman. Batman is an extremely malleable character. He's up there with Godzilla as far as what he can do, what role he can fill, etc. I'm a huge huge fan of Batman 89 and he is even farther from the 'traditional' Batman than Batfleck is. BvS wasn't great but he did very well with what he had.
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My archetypal Batman is drawn by Matt Wagner and speaks with Kevin Conroy's voice. He fights Jack Nicholson's Joker with help from Patrick Gleason's Damian from Robin: Son of Batman.
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SonicRulez posted:I want Arkham Batman for look and voice, YJ for having the best Family, TAS Rogue's Gallery, and then I'm prolly not fussy about the rest. Batmobile is flexible. Arkham Batman's got the actual worst Batsuits in history though. That's why they put so many DLC costumes in every game. Alright, maybe the Nolan Batsuits are worse but not by very much. e: Also Arkham Batman's voice is just a worse-directed TAS Batman's voice.
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My ideal Batman smiles sometimes. Sometimes because he's amused or satisfied and occasionally because it's scary when he smiles. And sorry dude there's a wide, wide gulf dividing Conroy's Batman in the Arkham games and his Batman in B:TAS. I don't know if it is the material, the knowledge that he's acting for a more 'adult' audience in the games, or the voice directing. Batmobile I would probably go with the 89 Burton car but with Arkham Knight style bat-tire tread prints. Or the one from Morrison's Batman & Robin that was also a plane. Or god, the Zero Year one with the anti-grav tires. That one ruled. gently caress, there's a lot of good Batmobiles.
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Die Laughing posted:The Batman RIP batmobile looked great with the red windows. And speaking of the flying Batmobile, please tell me that Bat Cow, Alfred the Cat, and Titus the dog haven't disappeared. They were last seen in Robin: Son of Batman #9, where Damian introduced them to Goliath.  
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This is what I love about Batman, someone can take the time to make a list like that and you still have multiple people in two separate threads asking "Where is (story), this list is worthless." By the way why aren't Matt Wagner's Dark Moon Rising stories on that list??
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Long Halloween is mostly good with some dumb stuff. It's Dark Victory that's mostly dumb with some good stuff.
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Aug 26, 2016 17:22
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Apparently I'm the only person who voted for Laughing Fish. Also, whoever voted for 'Hush', I'm very disappointed in you.
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Aug 28, 2016 00:37
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There's no best Ninja Turtle. Any one is incomplete without the other three.
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Aug 28, 2016 00:52
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I think the issue makes it so obvious Tim is going to die that I actually don't think he's going to die. It may be a Hawkeye in AoU situation where they swerve and...kill someone else instead. 
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Sep 6, 2016 02:05
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Cruel Rose posted:I read the whole new 52 Batman and Robin run and it might well be my favourite thing ever. Welcome, friend.  It really got overshadowed by Snyder and Capullo's Batman IMO, more people are going to notice it eventually and it's going to be pretty well-remembered.
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Sep 6, 2016 02:22
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Morrison's Batman is very good.
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Sep 6, 2016 22:09
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Whoa that's some Chris Ware poo poo. I love it. All Star is shaping up to be something special.
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Sep 7, 2016 03:08
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Blockhouse posted:Which went nowhere after he left the book and it got bad He's talking about the New 52 B&R with Tomasi and Gleason and its spinoff by Gleason, not Morrison's B&R. Tomasi and Gleason stayed on B&R until it ended and R:SOB was only 12 issues in the first place. Neither one of those ever got bad. VV I didnt actually realize the last arc of R:SOB was a different writer so I thought you were talking about Morrison's B&R which did continue after Morrison left. I enjoyed it right up to the end, I thought Suren was a good addition to Damian's hosed up play date. I hope Maya shows up somewhere in Rebirth, she was a fun character. purple death ray fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Sep 7, 2016 03:27
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Gonna have to disagree with you there. I really liked Batman this week. I get the impression "I Am Gotham" was the lead in and this is the "I told you that story so I could tell you this one" story. Which granted does make the slow burn of the first five issues even harder to swallow but I'm definitely digging this story now.
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Sep 8, 2016 01:43
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The Batman & Robin issues were the best part of an overall bad storyline. I'm not sure that there's been a good Joker story in the last decade, honestly.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:His sections in Arkham Knight Fair and true. This is shallow but I hate the font they give Joker nowadays. Like why is he so special that he gets his own font? Cause he's so craaaazy you guys!! gently caress off
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