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Perry Normal posted:Year 100 was definitely one of my top 3 from that list. Fantastic story. Paul Pope does some great Batman. For a more conventional Batman, his story from Black & White was also terrific, with a young Bats getting his nose broken for the first time. Paul Pope's Batman of Berlin is still the strangest Elseworlds Batman to me, because "Batman operating in Nazi Germany" is a really cool premise and then during the story Batman has to save Ludwig Von Mises and the epilogue is that Batman never stopped loving libertarianism and almost none of the rest of the story is about that.
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Batman doesn't kill people because it's morally wrong to kill people, guys. If a character can't do a thing for the sole reason that it's not the right thing to do, superhero comics might not be your thing. There's also a couple of in-universe justifications for why Batman doesn't kill people that we've missed. Snyder's Joker is also immortal. Batman couldn't kill him even if he wanted to. Gordon shoots him and he comes right back. And in Hush, Loeb brings up the pragmatic justification, which is that Gordon shuts Batman down if he steps over that line.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:51
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monkeu posted:Wasn't he only immortal temporarily because of the Lazarus Pit or whatever? I haven't read Endgame since it came out but I do remember that it implied this Joker had lived for centuries, maybe through multiple Lazarus Pit baths.
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Blockhouse posted:I continue to be completely incredulous that this discussion is happening at all He doesn't even kill in the first story. Batman punched a guy, he fell in the acid tank, and then Batman wasn't sorry he was dead. Besides, that was the Earth-Two Batman. This Batman we got now is an entirely different guy.
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Sep 16, 2016 19:19
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The no-kill rule is just a fiction intended to make him friendlier. The problem is that people have internalized it, to the point of holding it up as a half-assed moral precept. This causes some doublethink. The healthy thing to do is to admit that you enjoy stories about a violent vigilante dressed as a bat. Killing really is wrong though, I don't feel like that's half-assed. It's pretty uncontroversial. And I dunno about the rest of you guys, but I like stories about nice Batman. Hence the avatar where he is playing basketball with Superman. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:More like 20 years or so. That is exactly my point. The Burton movies have Batman's plane shooting some guys down, almost as an aside. The Nolan movies are far more recent and have explicit plot points surrounding Batman's refusal to kill.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:In the Nolan movies, Batman just straight up lies about not killing. Off the top of my head, he kills League assassins, Ra's Al Ghul, Harvey Dent, and Talia Al Ghul. There's the subtext, where Batman's actions recklessly or negligently lead to people's deaths, and then there's the text, where Batman is straight up refusing to execute a criminal because he thinks it's morally wrong to do so and putting himself in danger because of it, and actively saving The Joker rather than letting him die by his hand.
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Sep 16, 2016 21:28
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:That's not really a subtext/text division. It is, because you're making the argument that if you watch the movie closely Batman is a murderer (when the most you can really say is that Batman is negligent) while the movie's about Batman not killing. The movies explicitly want to be about Batman not killing. These are big, thematic moments of the movies where Batman makes the choice to not kill and differentiate himself from characters who do kill. BravestOfTheLamps posted:He leaves Ra's on a runaway train, which kills him. Batman also stood by while his parents were shot by Joe Chill, killing them.
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Sep 16, 2016 21:58
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