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I just realized that the guy responsible for bringing Jason Todd back to life is fuckin' Judd from The Real World. I hate Under The Red Hood a lot but knowing that the Judd Winick who pitched and wrote that is the same guy who was on the forefront of AIDS education because of the reality tv show he was on makes that go down a lot better.
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Tom King has really done a lot to rehabilitate red hood, admittedly
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Jan 5, 2018 22:40
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Roth posted:Sounds like a fun character, what series is he in? Roth we are NO LONGER FRIENDS
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Jan 5, 2018 22:41
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Teenage Fansub posted:By not using him? Look Jason getting his fries jokerized and remarking how he should be offended but drat it they're delicious is probably literally red hoods best single moment ever
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Jan 5, 2018 22:44
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Like the version of red hood that's this sort of really darkly fatalistic but in a humorous way, relatively relaxed dude who maybe stops killing people all the loving time and actually enjoys hanging out with his adopted brothers is a version of red hood I can like.
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Jan 5, 2018 22:48
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Roth posted:Wrong Roth we ARE FRIENDS AGAIN
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Jan 5, 2018 22:50
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HoneyBakedMAN posted:I've just read the 10-book run that started with the Court of Owls. My main Batman history: You read the entirety of Snyder's N52 run? If you read all those comics I would highly highly HIGHLY recommend you read Morrison's Batman run.
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Jan 6, 2018 00:13
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HoneyBakedMAN posted:Can you recommend a book/books collecting Morrison's run? As I've said, I'm not familiar with the creative talent. Be prepared for the most convoluted reading order ever. https://comicsastonish.com/2012/01/04/a-readers-guide-to-grant-morrisons-batman/ Do read Black Casebook if you've never read those issues before, you don't have to read 52. If you're reading in trades here's the reading order: The Black Casebook Batman and Son: New Edition Batman R.I.P. Final Crisis (New Edition) Time and the Batman Batman and Robin vol. 1 Batman and Robin vol. 2 The Return of Bruce Wayne Batman and Robin vol. 3 Batman, Incorporated volume 1* *: The New 52 occurs after this trade, so you'll need to remember what the new canon going into the N52 is for: Batman, Incorporated volume 1 (N52) Batman, Incorporated volume 2 (N52)
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Jan 6, 2018 03:21
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Yeah TBC is really crucial in general, to RIP specifically, and if you've never read golden or silver age Batman and don't know what his run is referencing regularly. It's really, really important to read for Morrison's run.
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Jan 6, 2018 03:50
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Its like 8 years long and widely considered the best run of Batman comics ever and most certainly within this century, and up there among the best single runs of a comic ever alongside like, Bendis' USM and Hickman's Fantastic Four to SW 2015 run.
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Jan 6, 2018 03:53
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HoneyBakedMAN posted:Would it be safe to skip this one. I noticed on Amazon it's only sold third-party at an inflated rate. This always gets asked and people argue you don't have to but no, I would say it's pretty crucial to have intimate knowledge of at the very least Robin Dies At Dawn and the Batman of Zurr-En-Arrh to have Batman RIP (which is literally the reason you read Morrisons run) make sense. Like, again, would really really argue neither issue is disposable, since in a lot of ways RIP is a direct sequel to both stories. If it's too expensive because it is out of print (which it looks like it is cause DC is dumb) I'm sure you can find a workaround somehow. They're really super important Golden and Silver Age stories that Morrison uses in his run, and DC is really loving stupid for not reprinting them in trades, or at least those two stories specifically.
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Jan 6, 2018 07:50
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Teenage Fansub posted:RIP was your favourite part? It's most people's, especially on this forum. Either that or Batman and Robin. Space Fish posted:LTW, do you have a book out? Is your nom de plume an open secret? What?
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Jan 6, 2018 08:08
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Teenage Fansub posted:I'd be shocked. The start of BnR would definitely be it. After that, I'm guessing the lighter adventures in Inc vol.1, then everything up till RIP. I actually ran a straw poll on this subject a year and a half ago and RIP scored number two behind Year One, with Inc being the next highest Morrison story at 4. I forgot to include Batman and Robin on that list so maybe that would perform higher but I doubt it. Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Sorry for the doublepost, but:
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Jan 6, 2018 08:26
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I finished reading Gotham Central and, man. Gotham Central sure is a loving incredible run of comics.
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Jan 8, 2018 22:56
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Mr Hootington posted:Batman Eternal would be a good but bumpy series if Cluemaster had been the big bad instead of Lincoln March. That reveal sucked. It's so loving bad and makes the whole thing feel like a gigantic waste of time even somehow discounting the Batwing and Arkham Asylum stuff, which is the boringest loving poo poo in the world. If it was just a Bluebird and Spoiler intro it would've been great but they had to craft all these subplots on to it and make another loving Lincoln Marsh grand plot even though it was literally just done in the main book.
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Jan 11, 2018 18:12
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I think the whole story's central plot is recontextualizing Stephanie Brown for the N52 so making the ultimate big bad literally anything else but the Cluemaster wouldn't ahve worked, but it especially doesn't work considering the big bad is Lincoln Marsh. But yeah, if all the Big Bads showed up and got away like the comic intimates they do, and if the guy behind the curtain was actually the Cluemaster, then all the fakeouts make sense - he's taking advantage of the fact that he's a Z-tier villain by having all the A-tier villains do the dirty work for him. It's also a great counterpoint to Zero Year - Cluemaster is a bad version of the Riddler, who spent his time as the Big Bad of an arc by basically capturing a city and making it one giant puzzle Batman has to solve. Cluemaster spends his time as the big bad by basically working in the shadows as a big ol' lazy coward manipulating everyone else to do all the heavy lifting, then essentially ksing Batman out from under everyone else. It makes thematic sense both for who Cluemaster is metanarratively speaking and how he's characterized in the series, especially as a counterpoint to Stephanie Brown's apotheosis. But it all gets undercut by the loving Lincoln Marsh reveal so none of this poo poo matters. It's a pretty loving infuriating 52 issue waste of time. Make sure you read Arkham Manor cause it's the only good thing to come out of Batman Eternal. What a goddamn waste of time that yearly was. But yeah, Batman and Robin Eternal is someone taking Batman Eternal and making it actually loving good. It helps that it's only a half-year long weekly so there's no equivalent of the interminable and go-nowhere Batwing subplot that they have to include in BE just to waste a ton of loving time, but yeah, it's actually thematically cohesive and pays off in a way BE absolutely does not. Mr Hootington posted:
Guess what, bad news. Well, outside of, well, Batman and Robin Eternal, neither of these characters are basically ever used outside of Rebirth and even then it's only Spoiler. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jan 11, 2018 |
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Jan 11, 2018 19:22
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He's really important in Robin War and We Are Robin. If you don't read either you won't be compelled to care and he figures heavily in Endgame as well. It's best to read Batman and Robin Eternal right after Endgame and before Superheavy. It's one story, and a weekly, so basically should be read entirely in one shot without reading anything to break it up.
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Jan 11, 2018 23:25
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Damian? Who's Damian? I'm not sure Snyder knows who you're talking about. Also Lincoln March is absolutely great in...his very first appearance. Court/Night of the Owls is incredible. It's every single subsequent Lincoln March appearance, especially Batman Eternal, that fucks it up. ed: Also like Bruce is basically the only part of Superheavy that's good, and his is the only storyline Snyder actually gives a poo poo about.
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Jan 19, 2018 02:04
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Hey I just consumed some entertaining fiction written by one Scott Lobdell, ol' Scotty-L. A comic book? Hell no, they're all mother loving terrible! I speak, of course, of Happy Death Day, the 2017 horror film...classic? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiPD9X43knU In case you don't know what it is, it's basically "What if Groundhog Day were a horror movie?" in the way that Edge of Tomorrow/Live. Die. Repeat./All You Need is Kill is "What if Groundhog Day were a sci-fi action movie?" It's basically a movie all about a scream queen (played by Jessica Rothe) reliving the same day over and over (which she dies at the end of) trying to figure out who her killer is. I wouldn't necessarily call the movie good, but it's definitely super fun and enjoyable, and the main character is actually pretty compellingly played and overall acted. Eh, I guess I would call the movie "good", but with the asterisk of "it has problems and Scott Lobdell gets parts of his stink all over it in a really noticeable way, even if the movie as a whole still more or less succeeds despite those issues". The movie has, like Groundhog Day, a throughline of the main character realizing how lovely of a person they are and resolving to change themselves for the better over its length. I really liked it, issues nonwithstanding. Problems: - Ol' Scotty-L still can't write "young person" dialog to save his loving life that reads as current over embarrassingly badly out of touch. This is easily the worst part of the movie, and there's numerous sequences and scenes that feel like Lobdell turned on Mean Girls and just copied dialog from that word-for-word. He also seems to confuse "college" with "high school" since there's poo poo people pull in this movie that reads as stuff like, 14-year-olds would pull or feel funny. - Still really can't stress enough how bizarre and flat some sequences are because Scott really has no idea how young people talk and just approximates it via the most stereotypical of pop culture touchstones. - He also tries for some Woke Lobdell dialog and it's so so bad. Our main at one point says, and I'm transcribing this verbatim, "Love is love! Now go get you a piece of man-rear end!" Um, what? - Lobdell's weird misogyny comes into play at some points, but it's hard to tell if it's straight-up actual, N52 Starfire-esque misogyny, or just pure loving Scott Lobdell-rear end laziness of relying on the "queen bitch" stereotype and women calling each other "slut" and "whore" as insults because he doesn't know how young people talk. - Some of the "laugh lines" are pretty not-great. - It's a PG-13 film that feels like it should be "R" solely so people can swear believably. Lobdell clearly has problems coming up with PG-13-level synonyms for expletives he wants to use, so parts of the dialog feel really rough, sanitized, and overall off. High Points: - Because the movie is centered around a female protagonist, Lobdell is forced to write her well and more or less steps up to the plate. He can't rely on his (terrible) amoral shithead alpha male stereotypes because this movie has no room for it. - Because the movie is centered around a female protagonist who's also kind of the absolute worst person ever, Lobdell completely fuckin' nails her arc over the course of the movie. The one thing Lobdell is good at writing is utterly reprehensible people, and her being utterly reprehensible and (more or less) believably becoming more actualized as the movie progresses actually pretty much works! - He writes a fairly compelling male love interest for the main even if parts of their relationship's progression feel sort of jerky and not as thought through as possible. - There's intentional moments of comedy that are actually pretty funny. There's a montage in the middle of the movie that's actually pretty clever, and there's a moment with a disco ball that's genuinely hilarious because it's so absurdist and insane. - The ending is fun even if parts of it are predictable. Basically, if you really like horror movies, and you want to support the expanding "movies that riff off Groundhog Day" subgenre (and you should, because more movies should be like Groundhog Day, it's a Perfect Conceit), and most importantly you want to consume fiction written by Scott Lobdell that isn't somehow inexplicably the worst loving thing ever loving written because holy gently caress Scott Lobdell is terrible, give Happy Death Day a watch! It's pretty enjoyable. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Jan 19, 2018 |
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Jan 19, 2018 03:52
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I mean Alice in Wonderland was literally written by a pedophile and the Mad Hatter, and the Unbirthday sequences in particular, is that pedophilia subtext at its most prominent and least disguised. So, uh.
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Jan 19, 2018 04:05
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Teenage Fansub posted:Read The Signal #1. When did Duke develop a power? Was that in the All-Star Batman backups? Mostly in Dark Nights: The Casting, actually.
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Jan 21, 2018 18:06
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OscarDiggs posted:Okay, another quick question from the not-to-good-with-comics-guy. Working on getting my hands on and getting through the various recommendations I've gotten from the thread, but out of curiosity is there an easy way to find the chronological order of release that isn't Wikipedia? Don't read comics chronologically, you'll be reading hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Golden and Silver Age Batman stories before you get to the stuff people typically talk about. The way comics work is that we'll mention story arc names or runs, typically, and for really complicated stuff we'll provide a reading order (Morrison Batman being one of them.) Most story arcs, especially the most popular ones, are collected in trade paperbacks (for instance, Batman: Year One is in the appropriately titled TPB Batman: Year One). Sometimes reading orders get so complicated (Morrison Batman is one, although you can more or less read via trade okay) that you need a specific issue-by-issue reading order - this is Marvel side, but Kieron Gillen's Young Loki saga basically requires a specific reading list because he kept being put on different books and had to construct a narrative off the like two or three issues of whatever he got put on. Mostly, though, we will name a story arc or an author (Snyder Batman, Morrison Batman, TKJ, Year One, etc) and you either research the name of the arc or look up the published works of the author in question and just read in trade order.
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Jan 21, 2018 18:13
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Just read Year One. That's literally all the Batman canon you need for like 90% of Batman stories. Unless you're reading in the middle of a famous run or arc (Morrison, most specifically, but Snyder as well; Snyder also reacts to Morrison so it's sort of a continuation of his ideas. Tom King basically picks up on Batman exactly where Snyder left off, so although I would consider it an all-time classic run of comics already it loses a lot of context reading it if you haven't read the N52 Batman run, Zero Year specifically), most Batman stories just want you to know who Batman is. Maybe they'll ask you to know who Robin is (although, really, in most modern comics it's pretty simple to figure out who Tim Drake is, and Damian is rarely ever used in mainline Batman outside of, again, Morrison's run). King wants you to know who N52 Riddler (hence, why it's important to read Zero Year) is, and he focuses on Catwoman to the point where it helps but is not necessary to know her storied history with Batman. It's just comics, man. It's really nowhere near as complicated as it seems, Morrison excepted. Just know that it's a billionaire who lost his parents as a kid punching dudes while dressed as a dracula. There. That's more than enough context to comprehend most Batman stories.
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OscarDiggs posted:I'm guessing then that at a certain point I'll be familiar enough with Batman "Canon" that the jumping around won't be to much of an issue? Batman and Robin is a series created by Morrison and is...it's Morrison. Morrison is the exception to all the rules I just named. Unless you want to read Morrison, don't worry about Morrison stuff. But if you do, his run demands a lot of contextual knowledge of Batman to work most effectively, and he literally uses a bunch of old as hell Golden and Silver Age comics as essential plot points of his run. He's not the norm. He basically writes a line-wide crossover that is essential to read to glean basically any context from the second half of his Batman run, and only him and like...Hickman have done or do that. And even Hickman only sorta did it with Infinity and SW. His reading order and how he writes his various comics as one giant interconnected story is something most writers don't even vaguely attempt to do. (Ironically, Snyder's doing it right now with Metal, but, again: Not the norm.) Most of the time like 90% of comics arcs are just, read the arc, and that's it. Usually they're just a bunch of issues all from the same comic, or at worst they're an event with an alpha and omega introduction and conclusion issue with all the parts numbered from the crossover. The Morrison-y like "here read all these different comics so you get the canon I'm basing this story off of and the themes and general thrust of the story I'm building to, then read this line-wide crossover, then read these different comics but make sure you read this three-issue arc that I wrote like a year after the line-wide crossover simultaneously to the line-wide crossover because it gives some context I didn't explain in the main story, oh also read this miniseries I wrote but don't read the final issue until you hit a certain issue of this new series I started because the final issue of the mini is meant to be read at the same time as that issue of the ongoing, also the second volume of my final ongoing I write for this eight-year run is meant to be in this entirely new canon so make sure to read a couple dozen issues of the story this new guy wrote until you get to my story again so the new canon makes sense. Oh, also, I'm gonna write a completely unrelated miniseries three years later dealing with the concept of the multiverse, which entirely new writer guy, three years after that, is gonna use as a bedrock of his line-wide crossover that he'll make after a new new writer takes over the series from him."? That almost never happens. Comics are made to be easily coherent and usually at least slightly reader-friendly, so they just present a version of the story that only relies on readers having contextual knowledge of the characters to function.
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Uh excuse me Edge and Christian but you forgot Hypertime Also I know all of those stories except for the one where Batman's "friend's wife" went on a...oh, did you mean TLH?
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