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Dinosaurmageddon
Jul 7, 2007

by zen death robot
Hell Gem

Iron Prince posted:

does she meet cyber-drake

No but she meets the implacable temple guard named Jeff. He smiles at her from behind mirrored sunglasses, so it's kinda like Drake.

Alone In Blood posted:

"Nobody did!" Dolorf yelled forcefully at last, "The world is dead. All the worlds of the Tetra are dead. Your supervisor is dead. All that's left are you, the people around you right now, and a malevolent insect witch who made all the aforementioned people dead and plans to make all the worlds into some sort of hosed up metaphysical zombie reality."

e: I've got to sleep. No more drowning in dreams for me atm!

Dinosaurmageddon fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Aug 21, 2016

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Real Mean Queen
Jun 2, 2004

Zesty.


furiouskoala posted:

Is there a method by which a disinterested third party can tell a real otherkin from a poser?

Intense sincerity

Iron Prince
Aug 28, 2005
Buglord

Cowboy Pope posted:

Intense sincerity

im a real lich BITCH

various cheeses
Jan 24, 2013

Iron Prince posted:

im a real lich BITCH

How bout you lich my balls pal

Saint Isaias Boner
Jan 17, 2007

hi how are you

furiouskoala posted:

Is there a method by which a disinterested third party can tell a real otherkin from a poser?

it's easy, chum : none of it is real

Saint Isaias Boner
Jan 17, 2007

hi how are you

Iron Prince posted:

im a real lich BITCH

this guy seems on the level thuogh so watch out

Jenner
Jun 5, 2011
Lowtax banned me because he thought I was trolling by acting really stupid. I wasn't acting.
OP how.would one go about having sex with a dragon if it has no corporeal form? Asking for a friend.

glowstick party tonight
Oct 4, 2003

by zen death robot
Is How To Train Your Dragon offensive?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
have u heard of Malatora, OP?

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
Fallen Rib
it's spelled 'led' you dumb gently caress op

DrowningInDreams
Mar 13, 2009

Dilettante lizard

Jenner posted:

OP how.would one go about having sex with a dragon if it has no corporeal form? Asking for a friend.

The same way they would go about having sex with a succubus (I don't know).

mdm posted:

Is How To Train Your Dragon offensive?

A little bit. Anything that portrays dragons as mere animals is kind of upsetting. But it's so ubiquitous that you just kind of have to learn to ignore it.

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

have u heard of Malatora, OP?

Yes, this has been asked several times.

Slyph
Jan 19, 2007
KAWAII NEKO WAIII NANI ^____^;;!?

DrowningInDreams posted:

Learn to use Sigil Magick. Write down your intent, cross out all the redundant letters, and then use those letters to construct either a sigil or mantra which you chant while in a trance, or charge using the death posture. The death posture involves closing your eyes and covering your nose, mouth, and ears until you are about to die, then at the last moment looking at the sigil. In either case, once you have charged the sigil by either method you must immediately forget about it entirely, so that the whole matter burrows its way into your subconscious. If you remember it, it won't work.

"chant while in a trance or charge using the death posture"

dude you forgot to mention literally jacking off to your squiggle. I've read Liber Kaos. It's in there.

DrowningInDreams
Mar 13, 2009

Dilettante lizard

Slyph posted:

"chant while in a trance or charge using the death posture"

dude you forgot to mention literally jacking off to your squiggle. I've read Liber Kaos. It's in there.

Personal bias

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010

DrowningInDreams posted:

A little bit. Anything that portrays dragons as mere animals is kind of upsetting. But it's so ubiquitous that you just kind of have to learn to ignore it.


Toothless isn't portrayed as a mere animal :colbert: He is an equal who helps Hiccup out of genuine friendship, not animalesque servitude. Other dragons are portrayed as being dumber, but the humans are also depicted as being comically stupid so I think it evens out.

DrowningInDreams
Mar 13, 2009

Dilettante lizard

Moon Atari posted:

Toothless isn't portrayed as a mere animal :colbert: He is an equal who helps Hiccup out of genuine friendship, not animalesque servitude. Other dragons are portrayed as being dumber, but the humans are also depicted as being comically stupid so I think it evens out.

Alright, "mere" animal was too strong. But toothless is portrayed as an animal, with tons of cat-like properties in particular. A very intelligent animal, perhaps approaching human intelligence, but not fully equal.

Harald
Jul 10, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
If a wizard casts Stoneskin on himself how does he pee? Does the stoneskin allow an opening around his urethra?

DrowningInDreams
Mar 13, 2009

Dilettante lizard

Harald posted:

If a wizard casts Stoneskin on himself how does he pee? Does the stoneskin allow an opening around his urethra?

It is my official position that stoneskin is just a metaphor for a stoic attitude, and hence has no relationship to the ability to pee.

Zorodius
Feb 11, 2007

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Neurosis posted:

it's spelled 'led' you dumb gently caress op

can you follow me around yelling that at me? I gently caress that up a lot

Harald
Jul 10, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

DrowningInDreams posted:

It is my official position that stoneskin is just a metaphor for a stoic attitude, and hence has no relationship to the ability to pee.

I respectfully disagree, but thank you for answering my question

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

Harald posted:

I respectfully disagree, but thank you for answering my question

Stoneskin turns the pee to stone too, come on, that's a simple one.

Machine Cult
Dec 23, 2005

A TEXT IS HERE

Shakill OReal posted:

Thanks for reading my posts about wizards time traveling in casinos, keep an eye out for my Most Popular writing prompt on Reddit next week.

Just checking in to see if anyone quoted me!

DrowningInDreams
Mar 13, 2009

Dilettante lizard
Eagerly awaiting Dinosaurmageddon's takedown of my novella

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Tried to read the sprawling OP

Al Cowens posted:

Get help and take your meds.

First reply was the best reply

DrowningInDreams
Mar 13, 2009

Dilettante lizard

Blazing Ownager posted:

Tried to read the sprawling OP


First reply was the best reply

Not really, since I've done both. Really, the first question you idiots should have asked is "have you gotten help and are you taking meds?" and if the answer was no, your immediate second question should have been "Are you self-diagnosed then? How could you know you're mentally ill if you haven't been officially diagnosed? Do you expect us to just respect your own opinion on it?"

Alas.

glowstick party tonight
Oct 4, 2003

by zen death robot

DrowningInDreams posted:

A little bit. Anything that portrays dragons as mere animals is kind of upsetting. But it's so ubiquitous that you just kind of have to learn to ignore it.

lol yeah how dare they portray them as one would actual animals

DrowningInDreams
Mar 13, 2009

Dilettante lizard

mdm posted:

lol yeah how dare they portray them as one would actual animals

But human beings are animals too, remember. Only we don't normally use the word "animals" to refer to them.

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time

DrowningInDreams posted:

Not really, since I've done both. Really, the first question you idiots should have asked is "have you gotten help and are you taking meds?" and if the answer was no, your immediate second question should have been "Are you self-diagnosed then? How could you know you're mentally ill if you haven't been officially diagnosed? Do you expect us to just respect your own opinion on it?"

Alas.

Hmm- well, you seem to have this covered.

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot
Are there dragon wizards or wizard dragons?

fuck the ROW
Aug 29, 2008

by zen death robot
Just postihng with the following question: I voted 1 and wish you a natural death

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


I am a huge nerd and like dragons! Pretty much every culture has a dragon-like somewhere in their mythology, despite them never actually(?!) existing anywhere?! I read a lot of Anne McCaffrey when I was younger, after reading one of her short stories in a middle school English Textbook, so that's there, and I was even born in the year/hour of the dragon, 1988 @ 8:48 AM.

With these and any other whims in mind, what color and/or style dragon do you think best represents me? Throw me to the metaphorical oracles. You may put as little or as much effort into this as you like, and take any/all time you need.

glowstick party tonight
Oct 4, 2003

by zen death robot

DrowningInDreams posted:

But human beings are animals too, remember. Only we don't normally use the word "animals" to refer to them.

humans are real though, remember

DrowningInDreams
Mar 13, 2009

Dilettante lizard

Three-Phase posted:

Are there dragon wizards or wizard dragons?

Dragons are innately magical

Wounded Unicorn posted:

I am a huge nerd and like dragons! Pretty much every culture has a dragon-like somewhere in their mythology, despite them never actually(?!) existing anywhere?! I read a lot of Anne McCaffrey when I was younger, after reading one of her short stories in a middle school English Textbook, so that's there, and I was even born in the year/hour of the dragon, 1988 @ 8:48 AM.

With these and any other whims in mind, what color and/or style dragon do you think best represents me? Throw me to the metaphorical oracles. You may put as little or as much effort into this as you like, and take any/all time you need.

I'm just going to say you are this dragon

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


DrowningInDreams posted:

I'm just going to say you are this dragon

thx

edit: That's a dragon alright.

Waffle House fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Aug 22, 2016

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time
What's your thoughts on the Pete's Dragon remake were the dragon is furry like a mammal?

DrowningInDreams
Mar 13, 2009

Dilettante lizard

Germstore posted:

What's your thoughts on the Pete's Dragon remake were the dragon is furry like a mammal?

Alright, so time to review Pete's Dragon! SPOILER ALERT OBVIOUSLY. My impressions are still really fresh so this is going to come off a bit messy.

There's a surprising amount going on in this movie. There are at least two main layers going on, which I'm going to call Layer A and Layer B. Layer A is what I'm calling Man's Place in Nature Allegory. Layer B is what I'm calling the Spiritual Layer. These two layers dovetail and aren't in complete disagreement with each other, though they do conflict in places. At any rate, despite the slapped together nature of this review, this is very much my wheelhouse so you're getting a good analysis here.

Random things:

* Pete's Dragon, Elliot, is in this movie something akin to a flying bear-bat. While this is weird, it's probably closer to biologically correct from the standpoint of existing animal knowledge, since bats exist as an example of flying mammals, while lizards can at best glide (per existing knowledge). However, since Elliot later surprises us all by breathing fire, the faux biological accuracy is kind of undone.

* There is a local legend of dragons in the woods, which makes dragons a local cryptid in this movie. That makes dragons less of a mythical creature and more of something like bigfoot. It of course follows that rednecks immediately want to shoot the cryptid as soon as they get even a vague notion it might be real.

Moving forward, the basic synopsis of the movie is this: A boy's parents die in a car crash in the woods and the boy runs off into the woods, where he meets a dragon who raises him, the wolves apparently being disinterested due to the fact Rome has already been founded. He then turns into a sort of discount Mowgli, until he is tempted back into civilization by a young girl. At this point, he freaks out because he's separated from the dragon, the dragon freaks out because it thinks the kid doesn't need him anymore, some hunters try to kill and then later capture the dragon because reasons, he finds a loving family who his dragon almost murders, and he parts from the dragon on loving terms knowing he can find him in his heart in the mountains any time he wants.

Layer A: This layer is perhaps 80% correct. The dragon here represents everything mystical about nature, which is in keeping with the modern bowlderization of dragons in general. It is customary traditionally for dragons to represent everything that seems particularly unnatural about nature, or to put it another way everything monstrous about nature. Here the dragon just represents nature. The crux of this layer is carried by the old man's description of seeing a dragon when he was younger, which goes something like Right then, I knew I was exactly where I was supposed to be. That's when I saw the dragon, this obviously being a reflection of recognizing man's place in nature (and this line is also crucial to understanding layer B also). The redneck loggers seek to kill/constrain nature for no real reason, just that they're afraid of it or are very vain. On this level, the kid survives because he has nature on his side, or is at peace with nature, and the story becomes something like Mononoke Hime, in which the kid has to live in human civilization because he's human, but can still come to visit nature in the forest from time to time, and everyone learns a valuable lesson about blah blah blah

Layer B: This layer is perhaps 40-45% correct. This is actually not bad at all! A lot is going on here, which needs to be unpacked and explained a good bit, but the gist of it is that the kid's imaginary friend is actually his spiritual guardian, or daemon, or clan totem, or Holy Guardian Angel or whatever else you prefer. On this level, the story becomes about finding one's inner self, about alienation and reintegration with others, about growing up, and weirdly enough about spiritual tolerance! This layer is embedded very deeply in the material so it's entirely possible that the writers weren't even aware of it when they were writing the film. It is worth noting that a spiritual guardian is not usually a physical animal, but a clan totem often is, and these concepts are basically all just the same thing viewed through different lenses (the lens partially defines the reality in magical/spiritual matters).

To quote some random rear end in a top hat:

quote:

Generally speaking, the clan totem is an entity that is initially sensed or perceived externally; theoretically it can take on any form, but practice shows that it usually appears as an animal
- Frater U.D.

In this context, Pete's first contact with his dragon in a time of emotional crisis is a combination of a spiritual encounter and a "mundane" encounter with an "imaginary friend". An aside that's necessary for understanding this: I personally am beginning to think that imaginary friends are often none other than the daemon, encountered prior to a kind of metamorphosis they undergo after growing into a culture's symbolism. That is to say, the guardian of one's soul undergoes a puberty of its own, in growing into a body of information, concurrently with the host of that guardian undergoing the puberty of growing into a body of meat. The entanglement in information makes it much more difficult to contact that guardian (one needs a "map" to get through the hedge maze of symbols, and one also needs to ensure the symbols maintain a certain fixity. To quote Cioran:

quote:

We must beware of whatever insights we have into ourselves.
Our self-knowledge annoys and paralyzes our daimon— this is
where we should look for the reason Socrates wrote nothing.
-Emil Cioran)

In this way, literally all the events of the film represent this "puberty" of the daemon, of the metamorphosis of Pete's naked soul into a form compatible with civilization, and Pete's subsequent development and finding a way to maintain his conversation with his daemon. The lingering hostility towards the notion of dragons becomes a question of incompatible form languages (literally symbolic ways of understanding the world), and the attempted capture of the dragon becomes oddly reminiscent of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah , in which the people don't know the angels for what they are and ask Lot to bring them out so they can rape them (since in this case Dragon=Daemon=Holy Guardian Angel). Fortunately, nobody tries to rape a dragon here. However, they do try to capture and constrain one for no good reason One has to imagine that it is for the reason that they were guilty of such a mild sin that they were permitted to live. The old man's quote in this context remains similar, but instead of being about man's place in nature becomes about man's place in the pantheistic body of God. Hence his realization just gains a double meaning, and a dragon becomes the reflection of his own soul as well. In fact, enough dragons show up for everybody at the end, which is sort of appropos and sort of not. I mean, I guess they are all a family, so it kinda fits, but it just felt like overkill to me in a completely subjective way, I dunno.

So yeah, it was a fine movie. I think some of the gags were stupid and they made a really weird dragon that, of course (literally in keeping with all modern tradition), arbitrarily alternates between animalistic and human tendencies. But it's all reasonably compatible with some pretty high level stuff.

Dinosaurmageddon
Jul 7, 2007

by zen death robot
Hell Gem

Harald posted:

If a wizard casts Stoneskin on himself how does he pee? Does the stoneskin allow an opening around his urethra?

Back in the day if you caught a child whizzing in your wizard-shrubs you could cast a stoneskin curse on 'em, and then hey-presto you got yourself a fountain cherub to sell at the local church sales. Nowadays though there's a whole big fad craze for bronzed child statues instead but honestly casting permanent bronzeskin is a much more involved process with higher-level spells so you can't just whip out a child-bronzing curse on the fly when some little bugger's got his dick out in your rose bushes.

Pissed Ape Sexist
Apr 19, 2008

Of all the retarded parachute/alts out there that know how to specifically mine for attention, sir, you are definitely in the top-ish tier of annoying retards. Well done or double-plus dragon fists or bookoo upvotes or whatever for this pungent-rear end thread full of funky dicklickery. Noice brah

Dinosaurmageddon
Jul 7, 2007

by zen death robot
Hell Gem
OP I haven't finished your 81 page novella but if the first several chapters are any indication I would say FLESH IT OUT, which is oddly fitting considering all the general blood-letting and sacrifice worship taking place.

I can definitely see what you're doing- you've got big and complex ideas and are rushing to get between moments rather than building up to them- you're writing out literary shotgun-blasts of various dream-scenes and then trying to connect them together with very little cohesion, pacing or overall narrative structure. Stuff is just happening at me, the reader, and a lot of it's intentionally repellent, yes, but I don't know why the main character is doing anything of what she's doing, which is integral if you want your audience (people who like dragons, yes?) to side with a person who murders a dragon in cold (lol) blood in the first scene.

:goku:
Rock the Dragon :rock:

DrowningInDreams
Mar 13, 2009

Dilettante lizard

Dinosaurmageddon posted:

OP I haven't finished your 81 page novella but if the first several chapters are any indication I would say FLESH IT OUT, which is oddly fitting considering all the general blood-letting and sacrifice worship taking place.

I can definitely see what you're doing- you've got big and complex ideas and are rushing to get between moments rather than building up to them- you're writing out literary shotgun-blasts of various dream-scenes and then trying to connect them together with very little cohesion, pacing or overall narrative structure. Stuff is just happening at me, the reader, and a lot of it's intentionally repellent, yes, but I don't know why the main character is doing anything of what she's doing, which is integral if you want your audience (people who like dragons, yes?) to side with a person who murders a dragon in cold (lol) blood in the first scene.

:goku:
Rock the Dragon :rock:

Thanks. I expected to be excoriated more strongly but yeah. I've known that it's very weak, but been afraid to touch it because for a while back when I was at my most psychotic it felt like revelation to me and so I didn't want to molest it. But I think one thing you probably missed or didn't have the context for, is that an Enaree is a Scythian transgender priestess, who takes hormones derived from barley, black licorice, and horse piss, and thus achieves a measure of actual feminization even many years before Christ. So she is angry at her family, at the concept of family itself, at the fact it does not serve her... but nevermind, you didn't ask all that.

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Dinosaurmageddon
Jul 7, 2007

by zen death robot
Hell Gem
You're doing well by yourself by committing this stuff to paper - it seems like a good outlet for you, especially if you're dreaming about it.

I think you've got a lot of ideas you'd like to convey, and now you've got them all roughly assembled into one story, which may not be necessary but at least you've got it all out there from your dreams and onto the page. Now that the info-dump part's all done, you don't have to worry about getting the dream-details out and you can slow it down and take your time looking at individual scenes as well as overall structure - adding location details and fleshing out descriptive actions for characters, et cetera, as needed.

So, OP, like any apprenticing author you could benefit from further expanding upon the details of your scenework in order to make them more interesting. Have you looked around SA's Creative Convention forums at all lately? They usually have some active short story and/or writing prompt threads in there or in its subforums, so by all means if you're looking for an excuse to get feedback or learn storytelling tricks from others you should really check those out!

:homebrew::smaug::homebrew:

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