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Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength
Also on the fantasy side of the aisle, the Malazan series started out as the setting for the authors' RPG campaign. Apparently the player characters were the bunch who ended up founding the eponymous empire (when they show up in the books they're largely portrayed as weirdos and assholes).

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Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength

ZombieLenin posted:

Yes, but you're talking about a group of people who have grown up in the condition of no outdoors, so who the gently caress cares? There needs to be an economic reason to get people in a diaspora.

People in an economically stable environment, with work and food (as long as it makes for a comfortable life) are not going to, to the tune of 10% of the population, move to a frontier, where there is no guarantee of a comfortable life and it is, in fact, dangerous.

You are quite correct about the need for an economic reason but I think you miss the target just a little... during the late 19th/early 20th century, rather more than 10% of the population of Norway emigrated to the USA and they were by and large not driven out by complete misery and starvation. In fact the economy in Norway was not just stable but growing in prosperity during that time (it was then that we got industrialization properly underway thanks to abundant hydroelectric power). It was just that, for many people, it seemed that they could prosper even more by emigrating. And a lot of them were right about that. (Not everyone, though; something like 20% eventually came back, for various reasons.)

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength

ZombieLenin posted:

Sure, okay. But again you are taking about people migrating because of economic conditions to a boom economy. These people, by in large, were migrating to developed cities in the United States where they new a large number of industrial jobs were available.

These particular people were mostly migrating to as-yet thinly populated agricultural areas in the upper midwest, actually. Minnesota, Wisconsin and the Dakotas, more than anywhere else. But yeah, it was after the truly "unexplored frontier" era and there was some infrastructure and stuff in place.

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