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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Crabtree posted:

Mafia 3 looks to possibly be the first successful Godfather game that balances you being the guy that can do anything, but also be head of a criminal empire. It be boring if you didn't get to do exciting poo poo, but you can try to maintain an organization and call in for reinforcements and weapons.

sorta. It looks to me like it has the faction take down elements(slowly destroy rival rackets,officers,whatever,then shoot a big cheese) then hand it over to one of your dudes to run. the story feels more like if the punisher worked with lesser criminals to take out a crime syndicate. i mean Lincoln is basically African american BJ blazkowicz(head injury and all). except instead of nazis, he is decimating mafia dipshits, white supremacists and white southerners(so basicaly nazis). which sounds loving awesome. i cant wait for this game.

Basticle posted:

The gunplay was excellent.

Shame about 2K Czech getting closed, Mafia and Hidden & Dangerous series were excellent.

i believe alot of them were moved to the new studio making mafia 3.

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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drunkill posted:

When the game was revealed a year ago I was skeptical. Not because it had a non-white protagonist-- which set off all the other fans-- but because the driving looked pretty terrible, way too floaty and the cars burst into flames when the wind blew. But they've made a lot of improvements it seems.

While they have removed the petrol mechanic of the first two games and the main story missions are 'unlocked' by taking territory which might mean a slightly less structured story than the previous games I think we'll get a fun game out of it all.

As long as a third of the game isn't cut near the end of development and replaced with a 2 minute montage cutscene (mafia 2) we should be good.

The story takes place in the one year and apparently there will be no Vietnam missions in the game (maybe a dlc?) so the scope is smaller than the previous games, at least in setting.

I kinda hopped their would be a nam mission just as an intro to the prologue. it sounds to me like they have more of a saints row 2 story set up.(mutiple small factions with under one big faction) tide in with story main missions and ton of side ones and various smaller missions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REiXl6QE9VI

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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blackguy32 posted:

So I'm guessing we are going to definitively find out what happened to Joe from Mafia 2. He's probably dead but who knows.

they said if you get vitto super loyal to you, he explains(maybe playble flashback) what happens. i am sure he is dead.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Abu Dave posted:

I wonder if Mafia 2 aged well. I don't care that the world was "dead", Mafia 1 was equally dead. Those games aren't open world they're just wrappers aroudn the stories.

the story/campain holds up well enough even though its clearly stitched together. the world is basicaly dead though.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Cubey posted:

For what it's worth, I played it when it went free on Xbox a year ago and it was perhaps the most mediocre, forgettable game I played all last gen. The only part of the whole game I remember was when you were in prison, and I only remember that because it was really, really poo poo.

yeah thats the issue with the game. basically the plot while pretty good at points feels more stitched together then bioshock infinite and since most of the side stuff/other weapons/half the story were cut, it really shows. characters appear and vanish in the story, a major "twist" about your dad is revealed in side quest in then resolved. it just kinda shits the bed. alot.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/how-mafia-3-video-game-scored-kick-rear end-sixties-soundtrack-w435406

holy poo poo that soundtrack.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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drunkill posted:

Joe got taken away and whacked at the end of Mafia 2, no doubt. Sure, he was armed and might have killed the two mobsters but he probably died.

Although, rumours/fan theories are that while Vito was in prison and Joe had to lie low and leave Empire City for 5 years he fled to, you guessed it, New Bordeaux. He might have even had a son in that time, who was put up for adoption. Lincoln Clay is mixed race and was born in 1945 so the timeline could match up, just. Maybe. Although I'm not too much a fan of that fan theory, but it could work out.

well maybe the second part might be true. but apprerently, he was sent their as punishment by leo now he works under the marcono who hates his guts.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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also they talked about their post release content. basicaly they are doing it witcher 3 style. tons of small free stuff and gamplay additions (charater customization and car customization) and a bunch of big expansion pack DLC.
https://mafiagame.com/en/news/view/en-a-look-at-the-post-release-content-coming-to-mafia-3

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Dark_Swordmaster posted:

Mafia and Mafia 2 are EASILY my favorite open world crime games outside of GTA and I'm so loving excited for this one. With that DLC announcement last week I'm even more excited since 2K is one of the more disgusting DLC publishers.

2k has weirdly always been my favorite publisher next to ubisoft. Most of their games (apart from any poo poo randy "the retard" pitchford and the burch sibling/the rest of gearbox poo poo out) are really good and they tend to take risks (like spec ops the line and to a lesser extent the bioshock series) the mafia games are great and 3 looks like it might be my game of the year.

http://www.vice.com/read/why-mafia-iii-should-tackle-race-head-on

also apparently it goes head first into the race stuff. so i am curious how well it will be handled. Walker was always one of the better if not Good thinkpiece writers so i trust him well enough.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Crabtree posted:

On other hand, I'm not going to miss the opportunity to shoot digital clansman. You put them in a game and I'm going to kill them no matter how many cops get in my way.

yeah. their are klansman in the game. they are called the southern union and they hold most of the rich neighborhood, where they cook meth and pcp.


blackguy32 posted:

Meanwhile, I am hoping that they don't take race head-on because all of the previous attempts have been pretty drat embarrassing. But we will see. It's a subject that I don't see playing out too well if all of the past iterations, the solutions have all been violence and shootouts, when during that time period, you had to be smart to succeed. I had problems with Django Unchained for similar reasons.

I see what you mean. I hope they go full force with it. No games really go that far to see how awful bigoted assholes were/are. games like DE-MD try and do ok but its not the same thing. and personaly, i want a django unchained type of game.


Accordion Man posted:

They are actually tying it in with the gameplay. Like that Vice article Dapper_Swindler posted mentions how the cops swoop in if they get a call from a rich white neighborhood but they can just outright ignore anyone reporting you in the slums. Also the devs said if you just hang around the rich white neighborhoods for too long people will call the cops on you.

Hopefully this game ends up being good, because it seems like it can be real cool.

this and other stuff apparently.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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dublish posted:

Between shutting down human trafficking and fighting against corrupt cops, I'm getting a very family-friendly-mafia vibe from this game. Not sure how I feel about that.

Whatever. I thought Mafia 2 was great, if super short, and I'll play this one too.

your not really doing to make a mobsters. your basically a vigilante who lets some other criminals who are less hosed up pick up the pieces and if they look at you the wrong way, you kill them.


Dark_Swordmaster posted:

I'm secretly hoping this is sort of Forrest Gump-y and the DLC links Lincoln with every major US historic event in the 60's and 70's. Can't wait for the Watergate stealth level.

me too. a boss fight with where you fight and beat/kill G.gordon liddy could be cool.


Accordion Man posted:

It might, but the idea of going all Dukes of Hazzard while fighting Klansmen sounds like a cool idea at least.

and geoge wallace is the boss hogg and it ends with lincoln beating him to death in basement.


Captain Scandinaiva posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kqlTOFETuI

Looks like there will be CHOICES AND CONSEQUENCES WHICH WILL INFLUENCE THE WORLD AROUND YOU.

they have said their will be multiple endings apperently. the game is presented(framing cutscenes and other stuff) as a old documentary and senate hearing. Donovan(the cia spook) is there being "interrogated" about his role in all of it. and the pastor is shown as an old man in the documentry. so clearly neither die. idk i have read pretty much every article out on this game. its kinda sad.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Dark_Swordmaster posted:

I could tell that was the framing mechanic from one of the trailers I watched today. Old man in a chair with nothing but blackness behind him talking about the past tense? It makes me nostalgic for when the History Channel wasn't arguably the worst network on television.

yeah me too :( its like the ID channel i guess but higher quality and less murder porn.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Dark_Swordmaster posted:

Watching the 20 minute gameplay video makes me REALLY hope they bring back PhysX particles and destruction. Mafia II was one of the very few games it worked extremely well in. It's so loving awesome to look around after a firefight and see just how much chaos and destruction is all over the floor.

watching the first gamplay reveal. seems like their will be some at least.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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SolidSnakesBandana posted:

What stuff? The AI is dirt simple in GTAV. If you stand next to anyone, anyone, for more than 10 seconds they just immediately try to kill you.

apperently if you wander around in rich neighborhoods as franklin long enough, the NPCs will call 911 or if you stand near cops as franklin.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/mafia-3-tackles-rarity-video-game-world-racism-article-1.2772294

another article about the racism stuff with one of the writers.


Capn Beeb posted:

This video also really gives a great example of how loving fragile you are in GTAV, making rampages often very short lived. More than once have I been shot out of a jet by a pistol packing street cop.

Anyway Mafia 3 looks rad as hell and hot drat that soundtrack :allears:

you learn how to adapt. basicaly use cover and keep on the move.

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

Here's some video evidence of the aggressiveness I was describing.

thats true. but it doesnt seem as aggressive when i play it. Idk why.



also new gameplay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEYsRRaXuD4

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAUKvXYo4bA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDzgsBqtdJA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omf2gbeQ_4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ES9QtF0O0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjXzVdhZX7U

ton of gameplay previews and articles out today.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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SeanBeansShako posted:

I'm surprised the music list of what they got isn't in the OP, It's a pretty sweet list.


Super pumped over this game by the way!

thats not even all of it. there are like 100 something songs.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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SeanBeansShako posted:

Yeah those are the ones I snagged from their STEAM group announcement.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/how-mafia-3-video-game-scored-kick-rear end-sixties-soundtrack-w435406

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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SplitSoul posted:

Game looks cool and all, but the open car door just passed through that pedestrian. :ghost:

yeah their are definitely some weird hickups. I honestly love the enimie/NPC hit reactions and and rag dolling as well as clay's animations. it looks like its euphoria engine(i dont think it is)

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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http://www.gamesradar.com/hands-on-with-mafia-3-mixing-blood-feuds-and-fun-with-some-real-humanity/

this seems like a good sign.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Captain Scandinaiva posted:

Yeah, that makes it sound better than before.

I like that Gamespot video you posted earlier, with the attack on the brothel. Although it's a cover shooter that map was rather open so the player had to look more than one way, many opportunities for enemies to flank you. Some glitches and it looks like they're keeping the over-the-top driving sadly (cars flipping over and exploding after being hit at 5 mph) but overall it's looking really good imo.

Here's another video showing off the city (and the map)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Kkvq8Wq78

you can also apparently be non-lethal with your melee attacks and can play stealthy and there is no recharging health. also their are two different modes for driving, arcade and realistic.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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SeanBeansShako posted:

Oh you can do non lethal too? awesome, going to only kill when needed in (gently caress the) Mafia III!

well melee i mean. like you can just choke someone out or just knife everything. i know in one mission, you kill a corrupt judge who is also proceeding over a zimmerman/trayvon like case(two black guys run into a white assholes yard and he murders them in cold blood and bullshits stand your ground) and you can hear the judge talking about how he is going to rule in white guys favor because "a white man should defend his property" then he goes to buy drugs/hookers from the mafia and the player blew him up(i think theire is more then one way of doing it)

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Poil posted:

OH MY GOD!

But what's up with all those ugly gray weapon symbols everywhere? It looks awful and completely immersion killing.

not sure. probaly weapon pick up and stuff.

I have to admit, i like the games framing device as a documentry.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Cubey posted:

Polygon also are bad in every other way a gaming site can possibly be bad. Kuchera and Gies are the two dumbest motherfuckers in the gaming press.

polygon is basically the dumping ground of other game sites. you dump your lovely staff off there like its "the farm upstate", where they can play games shittley and write long pretentious "think pieces" about the witcher 3 and/or quietly/loudly hate there "hobby". even kotaku is better then them.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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SilentW posted:

Oh hey cool someone made a thread for the game I'm working on. Hi everybody.

That's so awesome. Tell us everything and secrets please. It's looks awesome so far.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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SeanBeansShako posted:

I imagine the original Czech guys did now.

yeah they all moved to that game i believe or at least of the programers did. that game looks awsome though. hussite war skyrim.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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SilentW posted:

It's a True Romance joke! (please see this movie, it's real good)

I think some of them did, I know some of them didn't. We still have a fair-sized contingent of people in Brno and a bunch of the Prague guys came to the US, which we really appreciate.

I'm a world designer (like a level designer but for open-world activities), and I can't say much useful about the studio that you couldn't already find online, except the fact that we have a bunch of the ex-2K Marin people on board as well.

There was something a page or so about the physics or whatever - it's a completely in-house engine, we use some middleware but it's not sharing code with any other 2K title (that I know of). It has ancestry from the Mafia 2 engine, but family trees in game engines are misleading at best and useless at worst.

awesome. so how many open world activities are there. are there like randomly generated "in world ones" or are they mostly mini sidequests?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Utnayan posted:

Did your publisher cut entire story segments out of the game to sell as DLC, thereby destroying the game fluidity, taking out open world features, and causing Daniel Vavra to quit in disgust? If not, I would consider that a good sign this time around.

yeah but now he trolls people on twitter about race in Bohemia circa 15th century and makes a game about killing hussites.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Utnayan posted:

Sadly, I actually have to ask this question this time around after the abortion of the release which was Mafia 2. Because aside from all that, I loved Mafia 2, it's writing, and the story and all the game play. And I can only imagine how great Mafia 2 would have been with Joe's Adventures not being renamed Joe's Adventures to sell as DLC, and having that finished and completed design in the game to take over when Vito went to prison (As what was intended about 2 weeks prior to launch). Not to mention the open world that was cut to sell as The Betrayal of Jimmy (Preorder DLC) and Jimmy's Vendetta.

yeah. wasnt like everything gutted. like the melee system, the side missions, half of the story, a ton of weapons and stores. its sad because there was a great game there but it didnt happen. :(

SeanBeansShako posted:

It's got a multi layered under/over armour system one of the few things Fallout 4 did right and hopefully that'll seal the deal in removing one piece outfits from RPG's forever. Also, bad rear end looking setting with a meaty combat system!

yeah it looks indepth as all heck. cant wait to pick it up. also kinda want gore in it.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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drunkill posted:

And the other WW2 missions, they were cut earlier than those ones you mentioned though. That WW2 tutorial map was a larger town and had a few other missions in there which would be flashbacks to play while Vito was in prison.

wait seriously. gently caress that sucks.

that makes me ask. any Nam missions with lincoln and Donovan.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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SilentW posted:

I can personally verify that all the paid DLC for Mafia 3 that I know of is original content that was never slated to appear in the main storyline or game.

thats awsome. it sounds like 2K learned there lesson after M2 and to a lesser extent bioshock infinite. can you tell us anything about the racism stuff? like how ingrained is it into the game? I am curious because i know depending how it goes it will probaly be a thing in alot of reviews,for better or worse.


blackguy32 posted:

While the open world was barren, the part that really made me realize it is the section in Mafia 2 where the game tells you to raise money, and basically the only way to raise money was by stealing cars and selling them. It seemed like they wanted to give you a variety of things you could do.
yeah. that definitely explains alot.

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im gay posted:

It looks like the driving (crashing into poo poo) is bad. Can you damage the body of the car beyond the car just smoking/blowing up?

it seems like its GTA 5 light.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Hav posted:

Not empty-quoting, but I think I'm going to wait on release for this one. Mafia II was shaping up to be a decent game until I realized that a huge chunk of the fun stuff was just a cutscene.

I mean, the city in snow was one of the best realizations I'd ever seen, and it turned out to be set-dressing to a corridor shooter.

normaly i would agree, but i have seen enough fun gameplay(open world) for me to take the risk.

Dapper_Swindler
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Tatum Girlparts posted:

I just checked this out, boy it looks cool. I absolutely was in love with Mafia 1 and 2 but didn't have high hopes for 3 given the context of development hell and all. Watching gameplay, and hearing the devs talk about how they're doing the model of 'we'll do free updates for little poo poo like outfits and our big DLC will be proper story stuff' got me sucked in. I'll probably wind up preordering given these gameplay videos and all.

I was reading some article that gave me some hope for how they handle the racism issue. Apparently it is very much A Thing but they stick to a fairly realistic version rather than going almost Cobra Villain levels like Bioshock did with its racists worshipping Booth and reenacting The Lottery and poo poo. The guy mentioned stuff like how in the 'good' parts of town cops are pretty drat fast to respond to near anything, but in the poorer parts you have more leeway, and stuff like white only businesses being a genuine gameplay mechanic to deal with by stealth and all. It sounds like they're trying to walk the line between 'yea no poo poo you want to machine gun KKK members so here's lots of opportunities to feel very good about that' and 'but for real these guys are based on very real issues that still do actual damage to real human beings so maybe let's not make them saturday morning cartoon villains'.

yeah pretty much. which is a nice change of pace. though some of the bioshock infinite stuff isnt far off(well the racist ideals and stuff, even some of the propoganda and the language) from the believes of the turn of the century bigots. poo poo like fink and other poo poo are basicaly right out of the gilded age. I listen to the dollop to much.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmV5OdBValg

new trailer shows klansmen dying.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuhVMojeX9A

new walkthroug/trailer.

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SeanBeansShako posted:

Can we legit punch rascists in the face and run away before the cops called because unlike GTA V nobody has a smart phone?

If so, rascists gonna get punched.

i think you can.


Ofaloaf posted:

I know stealth is supposed to be the Big Thing of a game like Mafia III, but the AI was acting kind of dumb when Clay was going through the garage. "Ho dee hum, I just heard a body slump over right on the other side of the loading bay from where I'm standing, better not turn around and stop facing this big brick wall I'm staring at, doo de dum de dee."

Like at the very least, it looked extremely generous to the player in terms of limiting how close something is before the AI notices it.

Dumb AI sucks but its always very low on my list of something gamebreaking(unless its like superbroken) i am sure my mind can come with a bullshit in game explanation for it.


Capn Beeb posted:

oh my god not only is there an 1887 but Clay spins it too y e s

i loved that too.

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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

I hope there are klan meetings in the open world sections.

maybe. i know this happens



:rms:

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Apraxin posted:

I recognize most of that footage from gameplay demos, so some of it is hopefully down to the game being on super easy mode.

And not to be 'that YouTube guy is just salty because the game has a black protagonist and talks about racism' but looking at his other videos, yeah, dude is salty because the game has a black protagonist and talks about racism.

this. the second i saw "the donald" name. it was my guess. yeah the AI is kinda eh, but most open world AI is alot unfortunately. the game honestly looks pretty good apart from that.

haris pilton posted:

It could also be because they don't want the gaming journalists focusing their articles on the whole racism thing going on.
Likely?

Nah

maybe? most will think its a step in the right direction. vice will love it alot(since walker has been writing a bunch of good articles about it) my guess is a few of ths shittier sites wont like it(the verge, killscreen, maybe polygon) there will defintaly be think pieces ranging in quality though. The alt right will definitely get pissy over it especially if it gets good reviews(which it probably will)


Prokhor Zakharov posted:

The fact that 2k dropped a serious review embargo coupled with how hard they're pushing this game everywhere else (commercials, email blasts, Internet ads, youtube) makes me think they know they have a buggy pile of poo poo on their hands and are trying to get as many early buys frontloaded before reviews/word-of-mouth kills sales.

maybe that too. from the various LPs/previews of it, it seems pretty stable and unbuggy apart from your occasional open world meshing bad with mechanics glitch.



lol what a bunch of crybaby jack offs. I expect a ton more of it.

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

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Mycroft Holmes posted:

I'm mostly just in this to murder klansmen.

this and its a crime story that for once isnt sucking off the Mafia and acting like they are these honorable thieves who helped the oppressed and family and stupid poo poo like that. they were a bunch of stupid sociopathic monsters, just watch the goodfellas. If i can go BJ Blaskowitz on some dumb Goomba adulterious murderous gently caress and their klansmen friends. thats a + in my book

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