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Crystal Geometry posted:Obesity today is widespread. Two generations ago it was not. Did the genes change? Double quote I know.. But this is loving great and im stealing it. Disclaimer: I formally acknowledge some people have genuine medical conditions that make them fat.
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Sonofsilversign posted:its crazy healthcare infrastructure is gonna have to completely restructured to deal with them. they have to make excuses at crematoriums as to why family cant watch cause they dont wannna tell them they have to dismember fatties to fit in the ovens lmao i viewed new zealand as an active and mostly independent little shire farm country that seems less depressed than australia and way less full of rage i'm not doubting your posts entirely, but this one seems a little extreme. in new zealand: people ask to watch their loved ones be put into the ash oven so they can see how the alive to urn process works? what? that part is much less easy to believe than new zealand having an obesity epidemic, i'm sure in 20 years all the remaining 'first world' countries who eat similar food that is popular in the U.S. will all be loving diabetic at 30
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Studies don't prove things.
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extra stout posted:will all be loving diabetic at 30 was curious, this is actually less depressing than expected http://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/statistics/age/fig2.htm so about ~55, and no clear trend that it's getting younger. i have no loving idea how, given obesity trends. that doesnt seem so ba http://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/statistics/incidence/fig3.htm ...oh. although looks like another global financial crisis would be in the interest of public health
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extra stout posted:i viewed new zealand as an active and mostly independent little shire farm country that seems less depressed than australia and way less full of rage i dunno how common it is in general or if its a cultural thing but yeah crematoriums here have viewing windows for the "final committal" of the body. its as classy as it can be i guess they dont just slide the corpse into an oven on a pizza peel. nz has a 1/3 obesity rate so more or less equivalent to america i think? though we have alot of pacific islanders who legitimately do tend to be genetically fat so id generally give them a pass
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CANNIBAL GIRLS posted:whats the evolutionary benefit for being fat? +5 Famine and drought resistance -10 agility -10 charisma
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Aug 28, 2016 08:33
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Pretty much everything that makes you unique is genetic.
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Aug 28, 2016 08:34
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Thought thread title said that fat was generic and I have to agree. Find a new way to be unappealing, that poo poo is played out.
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Breakfast All Day posted:was curious, this is actually less depressing than expected it seems like it is very very easy to render yourself useless and unattractive, without any future at a young age, but pretty hard to actually destroy a body that young still they guarantee ending up in the other graph
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Sonofsilversign posted:i dunno how common it is in general or if its a cultural thing but yeah crematoriums here have viewing windows for the "final committal" of the body. its as classy as it can be i guess they dont just slide the corpse into an oven on a pizza peel. i appreciate you for educating us on new zealand its getting sad how few fat american jokes any of you idiots can ever tell anymore, aren't there like a half dozen countries catching up the the usa now
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Aug 28, 2016 09:07
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Pvt.Scott posted:My parents have tons of obese relatives on both sides of their families. They are both physically fit, or in my mother's case, actually a little underweight. Can we get this post as the scrolling back ground of gbs ??
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extra stout posted:
Its still funnier because America has a whole ecosystem dedicated to being fat.
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Aug 28, 2016 09:20
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extra stout posted:i appreciate you for educating us on new zealand im an american friend and fat people are the whole worlds problem now the time for jokes has passed
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:I guess now you have two types of fat jeans, op.
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lets turn the thread slightly: is the global obesity epidemic one of the least talked about massive, unforgivable issues with globalism? will america still claim to be the best run country in the world after every country that we even drop off crates of free food to has it's average lifespan drop 10 years? how long can this go entirely ignored/ exploited by the media until the entire planet wakes up and says 'shoot the ceo of kraft and pepsico'
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Aug 28, 2016 20:56
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How to not be fat: Don't eat so much and move your butt a lot more forever and ever.
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That's ridiculous How am I supposed to not eat a lot of food? How does that even work? Stop talking out of your rear end, idiot
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:I guess now you have two types of fat jeans, op. wow, normally its all just white noise from this poster is this what the movie 'contact' felt like
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There's no reason why the other extreme is impossible to comprehend. Hard gainers versus hard losers. It's like 1% of people who lose significant weight keep it off Otoh, I practically cannot gain weight. Like the guy who said he did the dairy diet (i assume GOMAD) and barely changed There's no reason for high metabolic or whatever people who never had to earn their thinness should be unwilling to believe the other extreme
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:I guess now you have two types of fat jeans, op.
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Your Dead Gay Son posted:There's no reason why the other extreme is impossible to comprehend. Hard gainers versus hard losers. this is partially true but as other poster pointed out a few pages ago: how did the homo sapien max out at like 200 pounds as the tubbiest person in town for the last 100,000 years of the species and then in the last 100 years there's like fat circus ladies, then in the last 20 years 1 in 10 people is a fat circus person it doesn't add up, the human diet and lifestyle have been ruined and no amount of genetic disorders can change the factual, empirical decline of society
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Blue Train posted:I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill em all five
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extra stout posted:this is partially true but as other poster pointed out a few pages ago: how did the homo sapien max out at like 200 pounds as the tubbiest person in town for the last 100,000 years of the species and then in the last 100 years there's like fat circus ladies, then in the last 20 years 1 in 10 people is a fat circus person times used to be, a fat person was someone who couldn't outrun a bear
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Zorodius posted:times used to be, a fat person was someone who couldn't outrun a bear some goon posted a story about a turkish? warlord who went insane banging 50 women at a time, unsatisfied by life, and demanded the fattest woman on earth be brought to him she was like 150 kilos and this was only a few hundred years ago lol the year 900 must have had like a usain bolt and a mickey mantle in every single town on earth
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extra stout posted:some goon posted a story about a turkish? warlord who went insane banging 50 women at a time, unsatisfied by life, and demanded the fattest woman on earth be brought to him paging ozma
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Hunger is an output of a very complex system. America's obesity is a disease of capitalism. If you eat garbage processed foods, you will constantly be hungry because you're most likely highly insulin resistant. So you're both overweight and starving. Make steamed vegetables and fresh whole fruits 50-75% of your diet and come back and tell me that your genetically derived hunger drive is too strong.
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KVeezy3 posted:Hunger is an output of a very complex system. America's obesity is a disease of capitalism. If you eat garbage processed foods, you will constantly be hungry because you're most likely highly insulin resistant. So you're both overweight and starving. Make steamed vegetables and fresh whole fruits 50-75% of your diet and come back and tell me that your genetically derived hunger drive is too strong. I hate you so loving much
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I hate you so loving much As Americans, we love to blame the individual despite obesity being a literal epidemic. At some point, we might hold the food industries accountable, but it will take a giant ideological shift, because we love the myth of individualism as an excuse for greed and exploitation on a national scale in all facets of our lives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-vQSKSJMyc
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anybody who was doubting this kind of conclusion has never seen a fat family i guess?
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KVeezy3 posted:As Americans, we love to blame the individual despite obesity being a literal epidemic. At some point, we might hold the food industries accountable, but it will take a giant ideological shift, because we love the myth of individualism as an excuse for greed and exploitation on a national scale in all facets of our lives. you could have made a joke and posted something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mU6USTBRE you didnt. that is why I hate you
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some ppl in here are really not understanding this paper. what it says is that people with high BMIs will probably have high BMI biological children. there is no reason given for that. that people with high BMIs don't produce high BMI adopted children at the same rate indicates that the issue is NOT THE DIET THAT THE PARENTS ARE FEEDING THE CHILDREN. the reason is not "genetic disorder." it's bound to be some ridiculously complex issues concerning metabolism of various kinds of food chemicals, hormone production, fat and muscle generation, blah blah blah. this doesn't mean you are doomed to have high BMI, but it probably means you're going to have a really hard time not having high BMI. people talking about how BMI has changed over human history are not taking into account that (a) genetics can change very quickly (b) environmental factors are heritable through epigenetics, and this may play a part. certainly the change in human diet in modern westernized countries is a big factor, but it's pretty obvious the causation is not as simple as "eat bad food --> become fat."
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spud posted:
but it says low fat
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nomadologique posted:some ppl in here are really not understanding this paper. Fatty spotted
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nomadologique posted:anybody who was doubting this kind of conclusion has never seen a fat family i guess? It's important to understand the limitations of empirical studies. It's the same reductionism used to say that poor people are genetically inclined to commit crimes. nomadologique posted:certainly the change in human diet in modern westernized countries is a big factor, but it's pretty obvious the causation is not as simple as "eat bad food --> become fat." On a wide enough scale, it is. When America exports our terrible food to other countries, they suffer the same way.
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just so you know, some of the folks who have lived to be 120 have smoked every day for 90 years and had little negative health impacts. now we know for a FACT that smoking as a "dietary" concern is a risk factor, plain and simple. but for some people it doesn't matter at all. geriatric health and longevity are pretty much 100% genetic, we know this because people who live to be 120 have siblings who live to be 120, parents who live to be 120, kids who live to be 120. it's quite plausible that something like body size would be similar, and nothing so simple as "have gene = fat." there's a couple possibilities to explain why this phenomenon would appear only recently. (1) the kind of caloric supply to get really obese didn't exist before (2) modern westernized processed foods alter epigenetic profiles over generations, teaching some genetic lines a new form of metabolism (3) post-scarcity conditions actually induce metabolic changes in certain individuals, as a heritable trait (4) the work-production model that goes along with modern westernized diets (the fruits of capitalism) and its concomitant stress, social isolation, ego-obsession, blah blah blah, also induce nervous and metabolic changes that are heritable (5) all this stuff and more!!
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nomadologique posted:just so you know, some of the folks who have lived to be 120 have smoked every day for 90 years and had little negative health impacts. now we know for a FACT that smoking as a "dietary" concern is a risk factor, plain and simple. but for some people it doesn't matter at all. you should listen to this guy. he know about being fat
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KVeezy3 posted:It's important to understand the limitations of empirical studies. It's the same reductionism used to say that poor people are genetically inclined to commit crimes. lol. nah. the fact that high BMI parents do not produce high BMI adopted children is pretty much open and shut. it is obvious that high BMI is heritable, the issue is that we know basically nothing about how or why. because we don't actually know what's going on, we only know that it's heritable. if you want to say that "bad food caused fatties" "on a wide enough scale," you're basically making it so vague and truistic that it doesn't touch what's being discussed here. if you're arguing that modern westernized processed food is what caused genetically heritable metabolic alteration, okay, i mean, it's an okay hypothesis but we have little more to go on at this point than intuition, and it doesn't obviate the very clear fact that this is heritable. show me a study where it says kids adopted from rich parents by poor parents are less likely to commit crimes than the poor parents' biological children.
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I eat blocks of cheese everyday but my BMI is 20.
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spud posted:I eat blocks of cheese everyday but my BMI is 20. i have no idea what bmi means but i like your style
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