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raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
She's a way better fighter than the girl that knocked her out but she decided to do punchy kicky with a punchy kicker instead of just grabbing her and breaking her arm like she did with almost every other fight she won. UFC is terrible.

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raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Germstore posted:

This is a deeply odd statement.

The best team or fighter doesn't always win a game or fight. Different sports have different amounts of variance -- for example the worst soccer team or hockey team in their respective leagues has a much better shot at beating a good team than they would if you were talking basketball. One point early and then turtle up is your general strategy for sports like that. In the UFC one slip or wild punch and the fight is over a lot of the time. There are very few boxing matches that end without the people watching knowing who the better fighter really is (whether the judges have been bribed out or not is another matter). There are UFC fights all the time where you really have no idea by the end. Just because there's skill doesn't mean there's no luck, and it's only inbred halfassed mixed martial artists who think there isn't a ton of luck in a UFC match.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Germstore posted:

Well given a sample size of one I'm inclined to think Holm is the better fighter.

Given the variance in the UFC that's a terrible assumption.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Moridin are you a clown in a goof suit in real life too?

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Germstore posted:

Better than the opposite.

That doesn't mean it's not a terrible assumption and it's not necessarily better if you have other information you can consider that can outweigh that one point you're obsessed with.

tl;dr: Hurr Douglas beat Tyson therefore Douglas better than Tyson hurr hurrr

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

EoinCannon posted:

Why would that fighter agree to it? What accomplishment would she feel in battering that untrained woman?

She was probably an undercard fight and her opponent was a no show so the venue needed to get someone for her to fight to keep the few paying spectators appeased. Maybe she even got a hundred bucks or something as the undercard winner. There aren't many spare female mma fighters around so the venue probably just literally asked all the trainers there if they had a spare.

They should have just changed it to an exhibition or whatever. The first time you end up in a spot like this as a fighter you usually don't know what you're supposed to do so you just go out and murder the other person because your prep was to be maximally ready and fight to your fullest and it's hard to put the brakes on a train. People who have been fighting for a long time but haven't managed to climb the ladder far enough end up doing these fights from time to time and you learn to take it easy on the chump so long as the chump isn't swinging for the fences (which puts you at a small risk of losing to a chump, especially in mma). An undefeated fighter will be given shots up the ladder very often even if he's only like 6-0. Once you have a defeat it's like you're begging for any meaningful and therefore potentially monetarily rewarding contest at all, especially if you're a boxer, but also if you're an mma fighter. Your coach is usually a fighter with a deep history in the sport but who never made it to the upper crust, which means he's likely to have a 30-7 record or something like that, and he remembers what happened to his prospects after his first loss, so often your coach will tell you to take no chances and just put the opponent dead away, even if they're obviously poo poo and almost no risk to you.

Also when you're training you eventually meet someone that can't turn off training mode when he gets in the ring to go knives out. There's a ghost of this guy in your mind early on and you want to make sure you keep in contact with the real fighter you are working hard to be.

These things easily add up to occasional huge and obvious mismatches. Generally though the person on the sour end of the match kind of implicitly understands all of this, knows they have no shot, but they're still brave enough to enter a real fight. So it's not as bad as it seems. It is important though that if you have real career prospects that your trainer and you safeguard your lossless record. This makes for a lot of avoidance at the top end between two very competitive fighters even in mma where there is only one sanctioning body that has the money/clout to get the tv time to in turn pay you anything nonnegligible, as opposed to boxing where HBO, Showtime and Fox kind of bid for various associations' bigger fights/events b and therefore it's harder to force two top guys to go head to head, which is almost always a poor financial decision for a fighter with prospects.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

jonathan posted:

Cyborg is going to rule the ufc for awhile even at a disadvantage of having to shed all her weight. its a shame really, these other women fighters should be forced to gain weight. Shouldn't be that hard OHHHHHHHHHHH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvUIW-0jC3o

God drat the UFC sucks rear end

Everyone loves these kinds of fights and they're nothing more than the worst boxing match you've ever seen.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

ROFLburger posted:

you should consider watching the good divisions of the ufc

Or I could watch boxing or something else that's good.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
lol that's dookie

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Zzulu posted:

There are of course legit asian martial arts. Karate and Muy Thai being the big ones, but there's a lot of garbage out there also

Judo and muay thai you mean.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Things to never admit to online posted:

im almost 40 and have been doing crossfit for several years

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

ROFLburger posted:

can you clowns please stop arguing about crossfit

A thing so retarded even Moridin can say something right about it, not lookin good for crossfit here

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raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Fire Barrel posted:

I'm pretty sure that George Saint-Pierre got by pretty well with karate.

And as for cross-fit stuff, on the surface it does seem really solid, especially considering the fact that a lot of the associated exercises aren't all that new. Hell, when I was still doing sport fencing, the coaches actually sniped some techniques for our warm up drills at the beginning of each class. Guess it's really about finding a good teacher for it.

Let's play "find the karate" in George St Pierre in the ring. Can't see it? Still can't see it? Try looking closer! No? Maybe try seeing things... Hmm...

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