SSD Thread: (its good, ignore the anime)

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redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

As soon as they get them reviewed by all the standard influencers on youtube.

# ¿ Sep 15, 2021 14:09

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 04:20

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

I do have a heatsink stuck to the controller on my 980 pro. It hangs out at 51c most of the time. I can't seem to make it get any cooler.

# ¿ Oct 12, 2021 15:13

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

DrDork posted:

There's no reason to want to. Just ignore it.

I dug a little deeper and apparently the Samsung Magician software thinks the drive can hit up to 100c?! Yeah that seems just fine to me.

# ¿ Oct 12, 2021 18:25

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Yeah no, I wouldn't save $20 bux just to not buy Samsung.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2021 00:11

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

For awhile disk cleanup would remove Downloads folder stuff which was definitely loving stupid. The 'feature' disappeared sometime in the last year or 2

# ¿ Dec 22, 2021 05:39

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

SLC probably means clearing the cache is as fast as any drive can be. I'd guess that it can sustain max rates forever actually.

# ¿ Dec 29, 2021 16:15

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

HighPoint eh? Yikes is all I have to say. Maybe they are better than they were 15 years ago.

# ¿ Mar 15, 2022 00:07

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

I've got this https://www.amazon.com/SSK-Aluminum-Tool-Free-Enclosure-Portable/dp/B0892BK5L6/ one and actually if you don't attach the m.2 screw the nvme card will pull itself up and with a small thermal pad, the entire thing becomes a heatsink without having to do anything really. It's been solid for me doing a lot of SSD imaging.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2022 14:39

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Im not sure were to put this but this seems an ok place. I built a 12th gen 12600K system, 16GB 3200, etc, etc. Asus B660 mobo. So I build system, burn in, deliver to customer. Next day, I get a call saying the system is in Recovery. You can exit recovery, boot normaly, get into windows, do things. As soon as you do a reboot, it will post as normal and the BLUE SCREEN crash followed by booting back into recovery and if you chose continue to Windows, it would work normally. After troubleshooting for near a week, new UEFI, firmware for the Samsung 870 Evo. Nothing seemed to work.

Finally I noticed this poo poo called Intel VMD in the bios, which was enabled but not actually used. I just did a normal NVMe UEFI/GPT install. Turned VMD off and presto, no boot problems or boot crashes. Uncool to say the least.

# ¿ May 1, 2022 16:16

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

NAND quality matters more than specs.

# ¿ May 1, 2022 22:26

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Arivia posted:

Whatever was hosed up it was a Windows problem. Ended up restoring from backups, there were never any issues with the drive itself in SMART or a chkdsk afterwards. Somehow it just hosed its own filesystem up. Yay!

I think that drive actually hosed up. Windows does NOT do this bro.

# ¿ May 18, 2022 14:51

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

future ghost posted:

FWIW that CDI log looks like mine did. You may also have corresponding event log errors pointing at disk as the cause. Personally I'd RMA it with Samsung.

Me too. I had a very similar thing happen with a 850 Pro. RMAd it.

# ¿ May 19, 2022 14:52

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

OMG, i got some of those new WD blue SA510 drives. One failed within 20 mins of loading windows.. slowed down to 400kbps writes. Tried another, noticed any kind of read / write load will in fact max the drive out as per Task manager. These drives suck, avoid them.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2022 18:38

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

That %50 better I/O random IOPS sounds tasty af. Im guessing for desktop systems, there will be zero difference though.

# ¿ Aug 25, 2022 15:39

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Its so sad we dont have Xpoint drives now. WTF intel.

# ¿ Aug 27, 2022 16:45

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Harik posted:

Thanks, I grabbed a cheap teamgroup vulcan Z SATA since it's for an older machine.

I am. 12-bay hotswap NVMe, all direct-to-cpu thanks to epyc. it's v. fast even with older 4tb u.2 drives. glorious iops for everyone.

Anecdatapoint: DPG SX8200 Pro 2TB died at around 18 months. 90 TBW before it started taking errors. That seems ... a bit early? I was using it more than most do with 45 erase cycles but the smart data didn't say it was bad.

code:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Number:                       ADATA SX8200PNP
Serial Number:                      2L0929AA6JYR
Firmware Version:                   42B9T6TB
PCI Vendor/Subsystem ID:            0x1cc1
IEEE OUI Identifier:                0x707c18
Controller ID:                      1
NVMe Version:                       1.3
Number of Namespaces:               1
Namespace 1 Size/Capacity:          2,048,408,248,320 [2.04 TB]
Namespace 1 Utilization:            1,694,576,869,376 [1.69 TB]
Namespace 1 Formatted LBA Size:     512
Namespace 1 IEEE EUI-64:            707c18 00002092aa
Local Time is:                      Sat Oct 29 22:00:43 2022 EDT
Firmware Updates (0x14):            2 Slots, no Reset required
Optional Admin Commands (0x0017):   Security Format Frmw_DL Self_Test
Optional NVM Commands (0x005f):     Comp Wr_Unc DS_Mngmt Wr_Zero Sav/Sel_Feat Timestmp
Log Page Attributes (0x0f):         S/H_per_NS Cmd_Eff_Lg Ext_Get_Lg Telmtry_Lg
Maximum Data Transfer Size:         64 Pages
Warning  Comp. Temp. Threshold:     75 Celsius
Critical Comp. Temp. Threshold:     80 Celsius

=== START OF SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

SMART/Health Information (NVMe Log 0x02)
Critical Warning:                   0x00
Temperature:                        38 Celsius
Available Spare:                    100%
Available Spare Threshold:          10%
Percentage Used:                    8%
Data Units Read:                    55,144,738 [28.2 TB]
Data Units Written:                 182,457,896 [93.4 TB]
Host Read Commands:                 1,098,800,082
Host Write Commands:                1,581,754,121
Controller Busy Time:               22,262
Power Cycles:                       49
Power On Hours:                     13,262
Unsafe Shutdowns:                   26
Media and Data Integrity Errors:    115
Error Information Log Entries:      27
Warning  Comp. Temperature Time:    0
Critical Comp. Temperature Time:    0
Thermal Temp. 1 Transition Count:   57
Thermal Temp. 1 Total Time:         321

Error Information (NVMe Log 0x01, 16 of 256 entries)
Num   ErrCount  SQId   CmdId  Status  PELoc          LBA  NSID    VS
  0         27     1  0x007d  0x4502      -    792809553     1     -
  1         26     1  0x007c  0x4502      -    792809552     1     -
  2         25     1  0x007b  0x4502      -    792809553     1     -
  3         24     1  0x007a  0x4502      -    792809552     1     -
  4         23     1  0x0079  0x4502      -    792809552     1     -
  5         22     1  0x001e  0x4502      -    792755289     1     -
  6         21     1  0x001d  0x4502      -    792755288     1     -
  7         20     1  0x001c  0x4502      -    792755289     1     -
  8         19     1  0x001b  0x4502      -    792755288     1     -
  9         18     1  0x001a  0x4502      -    792755288     1     -
 10         17     1  0x001e  0x4502      -    792664033     1     -
 11         16     1  0x001d  0x4502      -    792664032     1     -
 12         15     1  0x001c  0x4502      -    792664033     1     -
 13         14     1  0x001b  0x4502      -    792664032     1     -
 14         13     1  0x001a  0x4502      -    792664032     1     -
 15         12     1  0x002d  0x4502      -    792504201     1     -
... (240 entries not read)

Lolling that it considers itself healthy while reads keep stalling and it had unrecoverable errors on a couple sectors. This is why I've got nightly backups.

E: Rated for 1280 TBW, which I'm not remotely close to.

E2: Replaced with samsung 980 pro. Waste of my weekend cloning the disk. I don't backup cccache (and other caches) for obvious reasons but i'd prefer to not do 24 hours of builds to get it populated again.

Adata uses poo poo-tier nand.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2022 21:01

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Always get Samsung over a no-name brand like Inland. Get the 980.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2022 15:47

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Yeah, no. Inland = generic crap. 3rd tier NAND, etc.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2022 16:29

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

I'll give that potato drive 6 months of lifespan.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2022 16:20

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

For most people a 980 pro will destroy the Optanes. Most people being not-data centers.

# ¿ Dec 16, 2022 02:57

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Aquila posted:

I can't relate anything beyond my personal experience, but my 980 Pro got bad sectors, rma'd, and replacement has bad sectors too now. Switching motherboards stopped them from increasing and stopped the crashing, so I'm not inclined to blame the ssd entirely. Definitely scan the whole drive for bad sectors before using it, keep it backed up, etc.

You guys are freaking me out. Got a 2TB right now, with all the firmware updates.. Using a z790 mobo.

# ¿ Jan 10, 2023 17:55

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

I had a rash of WD blues die within days of unboxing and so I don't use them anymore. Bummer, they used to be solid.

# ¿ Feb 13, 2023 15:49

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

well gently caress. My 980 Pro 2TB with the updated firmware (installed months ago) just started making GBS threads its pants and hitting %100 usage in task manager doing basically nothing. I flipped out and reseated everything but its broked. Got on Samsungs website to RMA.. holy poo poo is that not obvious how.

Do NOT buy 980 pros.

# ¿ Feb 20, 2023 21:49

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

mp5 posted:

Works out, the 2 TB SN770 is on sale for $120, cheaper than the last sale a couple of weeks back

https://www.amazon.com/WD_BLACK-SN770-Internal-Gaming-Solid/dp/B09QV5KJHV/

Yeah I have had good luck with those guys. Good buy as well. I happened to have a WD NAS RED 2TB Nvme.. which Im using now. Sadly its only a SN700. No extra 70 for me.

# ¿ Feb 20, 2023 23:05

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

So you are arguing saving $10 or something for no DRAM? mmk

# ¿ Feb 26, 2023 20:57

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Shumagorath posted:

I found out the hard way that Samsung 870 QVOs are very, very bad at what I need them to do. Who makes a good 4-8TB 2.5" SSD that will write ~50% of a fresh drive at full SATA3 speeds? The Samsung immediately ate poo poo at 75GB and stayed significantly slower than the spinning disk it was copying from. I'm leaning toward WD Blue or Red as my boss is paying.

See, according to the other posters, you are fine, normal people don't need SSDs to maintain high performance.

WD Red is my vote.

redeyes fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Mar 3, 2023

# ¿ Mar 3, 2023 16:10

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

WD blacks are trusted in my neck of the woods.... UNTIL???!

# ¿ Mar 9, 2023 15:02

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

VostokProgram posted:

Does storage spaces do block striping across the drives? I thought it was a file level thing

Yeah its block level, not file level. And DONT USE IT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Its loving trash, lacks basic features.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2023 21:53

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Cygni posted:

Why? What features are missing for a home user? Honest question, ive been using it for years.

The issue becomes what happens when it goes wrong? Have you hade a failure?

# ¿ Mar 11, 2023 01:33

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Cygni posted:

Yeah, i had a failure in my two-way mirrored pool. Got a Windows warning message that i had lost redundancy. I swapped it for another drive (thankfully the failure was just an old 1tb 2.5in laptop spinner I had salvaged which had horrific stats even when new), added the new drive to the pool, and deleted the old drive out of it and let it fix itself. Same pool is still running fine years later. I admittedly might be skipping some steps I did, I can't really remember.

I've also disconnected/reconnected drives from the pool multiple times without issues, added and removed drives from the pool permanently, added USB drives/NVMe, etc and havent had any probs.

On the "simple" array in my gaming computer, I haven't had a failure yet... but I am fully aware that a failure in that pool will mean losing everything since its striped, but thats why its the games install drive.

This is great info then. Last Time I tried this crap was when win 10 came out and I simulated a drive failure by just disconnecting a drive from the pool and it wouldnt let me either remove the drive that failed or add a new one. If they at least got that working, thats bare minimum. I still use Stablebit Drive pool now however. I prefer file level logical raid for potato home stuff.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2023 01:57

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Im at the point SSDs are so cheap I don't care anymore. Just give me TB and some good IOPS and im happy as a clam. Also please make the NAND not die.

# ¿ Apr 11, 2023 02:28

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

I've got a Sammy 840 pro 500GB that Im trying to kill by doing like 3-5 entire drive fills a day which are customer compuer backup images and its been on for 48k hours. The thing is at 43TB written and still 94% good. I will never kill it.

# ¿ Jun 28, 2023 23:57

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

mcbexx posted:

Ran into an issue today when trying to install a Crucial MX500 1TB into a friend's system with an ASUS Crossfire Hero VI motherboard (probably somewhere between 8-10 years old) and clone the existing platter drive with Macrium Reflect.

SSD was detected and initialized properly.
About 35% into the process of cloning the C: drive, progress halted for a while and then Macrium aborted with Error code 8, which appears to be a write failure.

After that, the SSD was no longer detected by the system until I rebooted.
After the reboot, the partitions from the platter had been created on the SSD according to Windows' drive management, but Macrium did not detect the SSD.

Removed the SSD from the case and attached it via a SATA -> USB 3.0 adapter, tried again (while prompting Macrium to delete the partitions on the SSD before the second clone attempt). At around 30% progress, same thing.
Write failure error message from Macrium, drive vanished from the system.

Am I missing something crucial here (haha)?
When this happens on both SATA and the SATA -> USB connection, I assume the drive must be faulty? Also, SATA controller/cable issues can be ruled out when it happens via USB as well, right? Never had this problem before.

I did however not check if the latest chipset drivers are installed (they are most certainly not), I'll do a check when I'm over next time and the replacement drive has arrived.

Faulty drive out of box. Do not trust this one.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2023 14:53

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

mcbexx posted:

Nope, it was actually a firmware issue, see my other post.
After updating the M3CR045 firmware to M3CR046 - which could only be done via Crucials "Storage Executive" maintenance software, the cloning went through without a hitch and the drive performs as expected.

The behaviour that the upgrade was supposed to fix matched what I was experiencing, as vaguely as it was described in the firmware release notes.

I dunno man, making GBS threads its pants just running a write operation that lasts a long time shouldnt break any SSD. If you are confident then problem solved.
[edit] oh temps poo poo? my bad

redeyes fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Jul 9, 2023

# ¿ Jul 9, 2023 03:55

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Rinkles posted:

Any chance of Windows itself ever handling drive cloning?

Not with ONEDRIVE shoved up your rear end. MS has lost the loving plot entirely.

Do not buy WD blue drives ever. I have had a ton of them poo poo the bead with reads around 5-20MB/s after a year. Trash tier.

redeyes fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Jul 17, 2023

# ¿ Jul 17, 2023 02:40

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

No just normal new boxes. They did a silent revision and the new ones are trash.

# ¿ Jul 17, 2023 04:00

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Don't do it. The SN580 is poo poo. I have a bunch that lost most of their performance. A bunch died as well. Im actually really pissed off at this model since i used them so much.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2023 15:44

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 04:20

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Thats a 'fine' drive. Another decent one is the WD black series (avoid blues).

# ¿ Dec 4, 2023 01:06

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