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Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

also weren't something like 39% of sanders' voters saying that they'd vote for trump over him in the general

nah, that was demos saying they'd vote Romney when Hillary was losing.

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Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Guys, if you aren't for nuclear death-fire in support of american interests, you must be a pinko-commie.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Haha, during the precinct caucus someone used the Nader line on me. Every precinct had someone from the Hillary campaign coming from CA(out of state) to "observe". Lots of them used the Nader line as well.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

UV_Catastrophe posted:

With how people are reacting to Trump closing to within a few percentage points of Clinton, I cannot imagine how USPOL would react to an actual Trump victory.

Probably screeching white hot ball of rage at voters under thirty and "brocialists" following a rebrand in 2020 where Chelsea Clinton runs on the "Bigger Better Wall" platform.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

TyrantWD posted:

They will be rightfully shat on.

Literally the attitude that makes the establishment look like clueless assholes that wonders why the youth does not turn out.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

theflyingorc posted:

They don't wonder, it's just that there's nothing* that can be done to make young people start voting

*Nothing that a socially liberal but economically Reagan party would be willing to touch ever.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Dexo posted:

All NeoLiberal lies to get her elected. If she wins we suddenly go full Reagan.


No she doesn't.

That's what Attack dogs like Obama, Warren and others are for.

I'm going to vote and wait and see. I just think it'll be some sort of "Golly Gee I want to help but those republicans have too many seats". Anything that does get through probably won't touch things like hospitals, doctors, pharmaceuticals, or medical device manufacturing being in a price war with the american patient in the middle.

Getting some more liberal supreme court justices on the bench might be the largest impact as far as laws go.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

gfsincere posted:

There's tons of overlap between the 2. Plenty of reservists and NG that are cops.

If I'm remembering the Ferguson deployment, they tend to use the NG in guard and non-confronting roles to free up more fucks that tape over their names and numbers. Uniformed military that cover up names and break heads would probably attract some real bad press.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

gfsincere posted:

It wouldn't be. You have yet to demonstrate why my black life would suddenly have worth to the NG when it doesn't to the police.


Because that was their orders.

Now they are going to be ordered to help squash protests, pulling from the same communities these cops are from. How do you think that's going to turn out?

Look the only thing that looks worse than cops beating down civilians would literally be state paramilitary being called in and being caught beating down civilians in a uniform that the federal services use.

Also the fact that while you are painting them as just having the same people in them, the NG have probably more people that are not cops and are probably more humane because of it. Unless you get MP units, gently caress MPs.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

vyelkin posted:

Nevada has a lot of white people that show up in polls and a lot of Latino people that don't show up in polls, for whatever reason. iirc Obama outperformed polling in Nevada by ~5% in both 2008 and 2012.

Being treated as important every four years and abandoned apart from that with an all controlling business lobby in state legislature where they don't bother running Dems in any office for most of the state might color the assessments of people on the ground. Nevadans are mostly poor white people born there and imports from CA and other states.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Neeksy posted:

Who exactly is Jimmy Dore and why does he have a sizable platform? I've only ever seen other people reference his idiot ramblings.

A non-centrist liberal that does not feel that centrist liberal Hillary Clinton is the best fit. He is now Hitler.

Edit: and a mass murderer.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Burden of proof is on you, anything except the drat Bellamy salute is being labeled the negative label of flavor.

Talk to me when someone goes to bat for the poor of color, non-color, or actually impinges on money holders in american politics without the goddamn communists out there.

(countdown until someone implies I just want Trump to win)

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Neeksy posted:

It's… almost as if, maybe, collectively as a society it is easier to help the disadvantaged than to expect individuals to sacrifice their entire being to attempt the same only with less efficiency or agency to fix the blind spots of our society!

Functionally if you express sympathy, while actively loving them over it also pretty much works the same way. The homeless, poor, and youth don't vote enough for their interests to matter after all.

"They deserve it for not turning out for mid-terms."

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Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Jesus, gently caress south park

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