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Chris Wallace gets to ruin Trump again in the final debate? Fully sick

# ¿ Sep 2, 2016 17:11

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The emails thing is seriously pathetic

# ¿ Sep 2, 2016 21:20

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What if there are no oppo bombs

# ¿ Sep 3, 2016 01:32

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Equally as likely as the Machiavellian fan fiction in here

# ¿ Sep 3, 2016 01:32

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CelestialScribe posted:

It's especially possible that Clintons numbers continue dropping. It's not difficult to imagine that:

Her numbers continue to drop
Trump manages to pass the first debate without incident

In that context he doesn't need to gain much to win in a state like Ohio or NH.

It's really not, she has a electoral floor just like Trump

# ¿ Sep 3, 2016 01:36

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At least 60 million people or like 20% of the country will be watching the debate what are you even talking about

# ¿ Sep 3, 2016 05:32

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lol the pastor Mark L Burns who introduces Trump a lot has a fake degree and lied about serving in the army on his website

# ¿ Sep 3, 2016 12:14

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https://twitter.com/kellyweill/status/773247094895304705

Not parody

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 21:42

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I'm melting down

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 22:08

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It's sweet that Democrats nominated Hilary because she was "more electable", but she's turned out to be arguably more poisonous with the American electorate than the least qualified, most vile candidate in history.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 22:12

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greatn posted:

Democrats nominated her because she's the better, more qualified candidate and is better at campaigning.

And yet she's despised by the majority of the country including a significant portion of her own party.

This isn't "my take", these are the facts.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 22:22

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emdash posted:

so what's your point

according to every metric, she's still going to win

There doesn't need to be an ultimate moral lesson to find the irony in the primary choice vs. reality a bit unsettling and frustrating.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 22:28

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Dexo posted:

lol isn't Hillary at like around 90% support in the Democratic party?

Her favorability was only +39 in June, doubt it has improved since then

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 22:32

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emdash posted:

among dems (i.e. the only number that really matters), 70 fav/26 unfav (gallup)

Okay so 44 instead of 39

A Winner is Jew posted:

That number included republicans and independants dip poo poo

What Republicans respond to a poll as a left leaning independent 🤔

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 22:36

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emdash posted:

when? he was at 64% in sept 2008, ~55% in sept 2012

Last Gallup Poll pre-election in 08 had him at 70, 25

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 22:43

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Brainiac Five posted:

That's +45.

lol brain fart, the point still stands though?

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 22:44

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A Winner is Jew posted:

No.

http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/192362/clinton-negatives-among-dems-sanders.aspx

I literally just posted that. That's +39 in her own party (which is not good). Obama was +45 with the entire electorate

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 22:52

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A Winner is Jew posted:

28% of her own party is significant?

Yes.

For reference: Only 33% of Republicans view Trump unfavorably.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 22:58

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A Winner is Jew posted:

And Obama was at 19% unfavorable in the primaries among that same subset.

Clinton being only 9 points off isn't that troubling given the amount of poo poo thrown at her for the past 25+ years.

That's amongst all candidates, not just Dems and leaners

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 23:14

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A Winner is Jew posted:

Scroll to about 2/3 down.

It provides crosstabs for all subgroups.

Oh, good call. You're right. Crazy how well liked he was amongst Republicans to finish only 25% pre-election

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 23:19

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FairGame posted:

You're using the favorable-only number for Obama and the difference between favorable and unfavorable for Clinton.

That's apples to oranges. I mean, you're right--Hillary Clinton has far worse favorables than Barack Obama. But at least compare the same numbers.

70-25

40-55

?

(was on my phone and slipped up on the difference for the Obama number)

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 23:22

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MODS CURE JOKES posted:

Well, dogfucker, it's actually not all that bad. a 5,000 respondent survey, even on an opt-in basis, is capable of being statistically relevant. I can't recall where I read it, but they've apparently figured out a way to control for the self-selection bias. But again, it's only a single poll. We should see how it moves, where it moves, and then compare it to the results once we have them. This election cycle is a big experiment for these online opt-ins, and I think there might actually be some value there.

A lot of the people voting Trump in Texas still call in to talk radio to buy and sell things

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 23:42

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the media have been unfavorable to Hillary, and she has obvious tangible and intangible deficiencies beyond optics, and she is the best remaining candidate.

None of these clauses are incompatible with the other and none of them are false (imo)

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 01:26

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emdash posted:

also, the person whose favorability is higher usually wins the election. doesn't matter if it's 25% or 75%. So until someone clues us all in on the real point of talking about her favorability, I'm just gonna have to assume it's sour grapes about Sanders or a total lack of understanding of how US pres elections work

If you think that the only thing that matters in a presidential election is who wins, sure it doesn't matter

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 01:41

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emdash posted:

what else matters, at this point? please enlighten us. I feel like this is what people have been trying to get you to reveal for hours

Idk legitimacy, mandate, getting things done, actually being a candidate that people support?

It'll probably be inconsequential but I and many others would prefer a hypothetical candidate that people like and reflects better on the health of our democracy

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 01:48

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emdash posted:

Also if people liked another candidate more maybe they would have won the primary

Just looking at the numbers from both primaries this is clearly not true.

I'm not a hardcore Sanders person, I am just deeply unsatisfied with this entire election cycle (like many other voters). It's not all the press and GOP's fault.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 01:52

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Lightning Knight posted:

The only meaningful criticisms of Hillary you can put forward come from the left: her foreign policy is deeply questionable and hawkish, her immigration positions are historically weak, and her relationship with Wall Street is questionable. None of these criticisms are going to work out well for the Republican Party to use because they think all these things are good.

The rest of the criticisms of Hillary by and large boil down to "I don't like the mean old Democrat who isn't as fun as the racist cheeto who validates my bad opinions" or "powerful women scare me." These criticisms of Hillary are bullshit but impactful, as we can see with Hillary's favorability ratings.

That said, while Hillary isn't a perfect candidate, nor a great candidate, saying she's a bad candidate is wrong because she's still winning, and much of the reason that the race is tightening boils down to the stupidity of the electorate and the overriding desire of the media to make money off the horse race narrative. Hillary isn't a bad candidate, she's a mediocre candidate. Immensely qualified and smart, with some questionable stances but largely a coherent ideological base that will be positive overall, with the perception of being bad by fools and a lack of campaigning chops that aren't necessary to do the actual job she's running for.

There are a handful of other positions and their implications with regards to her judgement that I would have included, but this is pretty spot on. Good post

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 01:58

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In the primaries I actually thought she was a substantially better debater and more knowledgeable than Bernie which led me to vote for her.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 02:09

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it was tight when Nate came in confident as hell, dropped signal and the noise, and got every state right.

since then he's dropped one of the worst websites of all time, got his models destroyed by an orange demagogue, and now he's flailing wildly.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 02:27

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Lmao I forgot about I Like War

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 02:39

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Going second is much better

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 03:00

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Shifty Pony posted:

I've noticed a pretty odd turnaround in the reporting every since the press was allowed on the place with Clinton.

It turns out it was this all over again but with the press and not the GOP leadership:

The "liberal" media (not Fox, Breitbart, or Drudge) is also starting to be mocked by people that they respect, which is moving their sights back towards Trump

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 03:16

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Petr posted:

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lmao there is no :ironicat:

big enough

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 04:21

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Anyone who has run a company knows that you build value by hiring capable and energetic employees to increase the growth potential of the company, you do not remove positions so as to create the illusion of revenue. It makes the underlying product worth substantially less.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 19:32

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theflyingorc posted:

we seem to care an awful lot about hawks and whether or not people are them

to the point where the term hawk seems to have no meaning? does the term just mean "wants the military to do things sometimes?"

I think the actual concern is that she treats people in other countries like objects to leverage for political gain which is absolutely true wrt the awful sanctions on Iran

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 19:35

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theflyingorc posted:

i think most interventionist politicians actually believe that their intervention is a good idea

like Bush totally had a naive view of what would result from invading Iraq

Yeah she's not worse than the rest, I'm just trying to articulate why people dislike her stance beyond "Hawk" because as you noted it's an empty signifier at this point

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 19:39

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axeil posted:

Leftists are idiots who don't understand how the world works though, so I'm pretty sure doing the opposite of what they want is a good thing.

idk starving poor people over the span of years so the government finally does what u want seems like a pretty terrible and inhumane thing to do?

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 20:30

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Does Jill Stein get on the ballot in any battleground state?

e: ah gently caress she's already on in all but Georgia and NC

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 21:07

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The mainstream media (esp. print) currently has a ton of Anti-Trump stories, they're just gaining no traction because everyone with a brain knows he's a piece of poo poo and he's not providing particularly pungent fresh ammo

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 22:55

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