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I don't think the New York Times could be telegraphing their debate coverage stronger. Apparently they believe the standard for a presidential candidate is less than a retail employee if not using an ethnic slur and being able to read off a card is good enough. What an embarrassment. Like this is not fit for a middle school election New York Times. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:This has been a thing for a long time, see: Kaiser Permanente. It can actually be good because it removes some of the incentives for doctors to over-order. I'd like to think the media is really damaging their credibility with all this. Republicans already believe that the media is leftwing and untrustworthy; I can't think that this blatant double standard that some journalists are showing where Trump is being treated like a child and gets a gold star for eating his food without choking is helping them with democrats that are in serious Clinton "scandal" fatigue.
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Yinlock posted:Again a big part of this is because Clinton is not giving them any ammo to shore up the horse race narrative. Like a ton of people ate total poo poo last night when they were crowing about how Trump was "VERY PRESIDENTIAL" then he immediately went full Hitler. Yeah it's really clear Hillary knows the score and that there's little point to holding a press conference so she can be asked dumbass questions about emails and Benghazi and then afterwards they will still complain she isn't holding enough conferences. I don't think being standoffish with the press is great but it's not like she really gains anything from working with them either.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Fraternal Order of Police: Nazi eagle tattoos with "Fatherland" under them don't make you a Nazi any more than a panther tattoo makes you a Black Panther. Remember police unions aren't a problem. "Hey man maybe this cop is just a big fan of the Japanese manji character ever think of that??" - police union rep. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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Trabisnikof posted:This but unironically. lol
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What's so bad about Prairie Home Companion?
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Trabisnikof posted:Hint: if police unions were the problem the all across the anti-union south we would have better policing than in pro-union blue states. Police and the US justice system have a ton of problems depending on the area so distilling it into something that simple is ridiculous.
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Main Paineframe posted:To put it more accurately, the problem is that you don't like the police. Unions are obliged to defend their membership (regardless of how bad a member's alleged misconduct might be), and your opposition to police unions comes from exactly the same place as conservative opposition to teacher's unions: it's not actually the union that bothers you, it's the idea that anyone might stand up to defend the members of that union. Unions, like defense lawyers, are adversarial entities whose purpose is to defend people - it is not their job to say "hey, actually, this looks really bad", and in fact that actively goes against their job, which is to give the benefit of the doubt and force people to really prove wrongdoing rather than just going along with allegations. We've been over this before. The union has no obligation to make statements regarding the victims of police violence after the police officer has been exonerated by the system. For instance when Tamir Rice's family got their settlement, there's no reason for the union to make a public statement (and a representative of the union making an statement is speaking on behalf of the union and thus the members of which) saying that the money should be used so that African American children can be taught how to act around police, directly saying that Tamir Rice was the one responsible for his own death. That is needlessly antagonistic towards the community and for absolutely no gain. That is a huge problem when that community sees the police as a threat and not something keeping them safe. It also highlights the disconnect that the police in general have in terms of their own responsibility and makes the police look bad publicly. A teacher's union defends a teacher when that teacher is accused of a crime just like a police union should. However I don't think I can remember a teacher's union calling a student a slut and kids should stop being so sexy after a teacher was found innocent of molesting one. Police unions should be protecting their members but they also do bad or dumb things that go beyond that. We've had this discussion before and it goes in circles but I can't let it just sit there when you characterize the criticism of police unions purely as being angry that they are just doing what all unions do which is false. Also it's entirely possible to say that police unions need to alter their behavior in certain ways, that they can cause problems, and ALSO not want them made illegal or destroyed. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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The Bunk posted:http://www.npr.org/2013/09/28/225380984/news-from-lake-wobegon-garrison-keillor-has-a-new-book-of-poetry I now get this joke twenty years later thanks to the NPR derail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmkq7yylRkU
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Man so many conservatives are going to be confused when Hillary doesn't just have a stroke in 2017.
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botany posted:I just want to point out that this article is bullshit. It blames the Community Reinvestment Act for the 07/08 financial crash, which is the rightwing narrative despite the fact that it's absolutely untrue. Only about 6% of misprized mortgages were originated under the CRA, the majority of subprimes were for lenders that made too much money to be covered by the CRA. It also blames Fannie and Freddie, despite the fact that (a) the bubble coincided with a period where their market share dropped significantly and (b) Fannie and Freddie loans were about 6 times less likely to default during the whole shitshow. Blaming the CRA is dog whistling from financial types that minorities are inherantly bad with money as a way to deflect blame from themselves for obviously loving everything up. It appeals to serious people that desperately want to believe in the moral banker fallacy. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Sep 3, 2016 |
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These stunts are for stupid white people, both the voters and idiots at the New York Times, who are on the fence about voting for the guy with the neo nazi running his campaign.
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edrith posted:I would like to give the @NPR twitter an award for posting the article about how the stupid Clinton health rumors are gaining traction only through mindless repetition about ten times in a row I think this is what's really starting to piss me off at this point. Trump doesn't need to fund raise for television spots since pretty much the entire media is running the negative ads on Clinton that normally a candidate would be spending money on, many of which are blatantly false. Noted ultra liberal socialist NPR is more or less ignoring the fact that a white supremacist is running the Trump campaign while praising that guy's ability to get Trump in a room with black people and not exploding or kicking them out of their homes.
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iospace posted:I hate to do this, /again/, but NPR's republican slant is because a republican controlled congress repeatedly threatens to pull the plug on them if they get too far left. It's a feature, not a bug, and one put in to save their own rear end because the GOP can't have any government funded institution be against them ever. That doesn't change my frustration that there is a notable slant towards Trump (in that his egregious issues are overlooked or played off as just gaffes while Clintons has stuff literally made up to throw at her with "people are asking about.." bullshit) in the media in general while NPR and the New York Times are still characterized as hyper liberal.
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Sir Tonk posted:it just gets better every time He has a rat like face and does that bullshit "hey let me finish my obviously leading question while I interupt you halfway through the answer." Trump should just go all out on absurd lies rapid fire the last debate so that Hillary can't respond to them all to really poison the well since that fucker will just sit there and smirk.
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CelestialScribe posted:Let me guess, this is a bad poll as well? That's the Lv poll mentioned one post earlier. CNN's rv has Clinton up 3. Which means that CNN is either oversampling white men or under sampling minorities in what they consider likely voters. I guess we'll see if they are right.
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Night10194 posted:It's starting to look like Wisconsin and Michigan might actually need work done in 'em, though. Yeah Wisconsin feel like it's an inverse where it's slowly becoming a GOP state much in the way that Texas and Georgia are slowly turning. I'm not sure what exactly can be done if white people in that sort of area are so committed to voting that way. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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Personally I'm getting the feeling that the media actually starting to damage itself along with Hillary. Right wingers are already convinced that any news sources outside their bubble are inherently untrustworthy. I know social media isn't an accurate representation but there seems to be a blow back among Hillary voters regarding the disparate effort being put into investigating the scandals of the two campaigns. It's gotten to the point where the actual pundits and journalists are repeatedly whining about how readers should just listen and not complain. I don't think these institutions are doing themselves any favors when they report on stuff that is either easily disproved (such as Hillary saying she didn't remember stuff because of her injury), stupid "well some people are asking" stuff where the people asking the questions are members of the Trump campaign, or idiotic non scandals like Bill Clinton using his pension to buy things. We are living in a time when people are more able to fact check the media than ever so when they are practically insulting the intelligence of their readers it's not a feeling that makes you a loyal subscriber.
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The only people who read the Washington Times are conservatives desperate enough to want some semblance of a right wing newspaper instead of getting everything off Drudge. The office in DC is even a joke.
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I have a friend that constantly buys into every bullshit Clinton scandal but then when confronted with Trump's massive racism or fraudulent businesses has some excuse as to why "well maybe you just don't know the whole story" or "you can't say that Trump is racist because you can't know that for sure." It's mega frustrating since he's not trolling and really I think he's just trying desperately to figure out a way to vote against Clinton for Trump but knows that makes him look really bad so he's constantly trying to pull the both equally choices are bad line. I've decided to never talk politics to him again after he tried to claim that we don't know if UKIP is bigoted or not since maybe they have a legitimate point about immigration hurting the English people so I shouldn't call them racist.
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A Winner is Jew posted:And remember, the moderator for the third debate has already said it's not his job to correct things candidates say that are factually incorrect. Hillary has to be preparing for Trump to just rapid fire off absurd ridiculous lies during the debates assuming he won't get fact checked and that it's harder and takes more time to disprove his trash than for him to say it.
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Trabisnikof posted:First Debate: Trump wins because low expectations and Clinton is "stilted" and/or coughs. The only way I see Clinton coming out ahead (rather than just neutral) in the debates is if Trump fucks up in an incredibly visual way or gets absolutely slammed Obama/Romney style. There's no possibility the press will point out if he's incorrect the next day and will just spend that time to give him gold stars for not tripping on the carpet.
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I think the issue is that the alt-right is almost entirely social issues and being on the wrong side of those. With the Tea Party they were useful tools because they were SO ANGRY about taxes and all that even though it was really just racist. With the alt-right they are forward with their white, male supremacy since there's nothing else there. There's really no way to sugar coat that poo poo. Personally it feels like they have gotten over confident since they basically just gang up on people using the internet until they get scared and back off. Trying that in the open isn't going to work as well since once they are no longer as anonymous threatening to rape or lynch people isn't going to be as easy to hide. I do think that there will be an effort by certain media outlets to pretend that of course they aren't racist because there always needs to be a Sensible right wing which is what helped out the Tea Party lunatics but that's going to be a harder sell.
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Crows Turn Off posted:They've already lowered the bar for Trump, but say that Clinton needs to live up to the high expectations in order to win. So, I think you're right, he will be pronounced Presidential, minus something insane like calling her a "bitch" on stage or saying black people enjoyed being slaves. Any journalist that says Trump living up the the standards of a child because he can stand somewhere and not make too much on an rear end of himself and thus is "presidential" needs to be swapped with some person currently in Guantanamo. I know this is all about selling clicks and whatever but the standard for what a president does has been so reduced this election it's absurd. Have some loving pride in your potential leader you shitbirds.
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visceril posted:Be the change you want to see in the world: support independent media, cancel your cable subscription, and stop clicking on garbage Already done. I also don't go to Chic-Fil-A but it doesn't really matter as long as I'm a tiny minority.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:but you clicked on this thread???? gently caress
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The actual secret to chic-fil-a is that they brine their chicken overnight which makes the meat smooth instead of stringy.
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mdemone posted:Weirder things have been true. Some of us weren't lucky enough to get replacement anime avatars. 
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Who is this person? Her tweets have been consistently garbage all election although it is funny to watch her try to be smug and aloof as a NYT employee in her twitter responses and get dunked on even more by random people.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:i recall this person getting incredibly defensive when norm ornstein was grilling the NYT on twitter over their clinton coverage Yeah she was getting pissy with random dudes after that tweet tonight as well. I really think a lot of people are going to lose whatever respect they had for some of these institutions when this is all over.
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Lauer wasting time asking about the stupid emails means that Hillary ignoring the dumbasses in the media was totally deserved although that probably hasn't helped her either. Is Lauer actually getting any blowback or is it just angry people on Twitter? I will laugh if Matt is the next in a long line of idiots that gently caress over themselves professionally and/or politically trying to help out or softball Trump. What is it about that guy that so many dupes that shouldt know better think they will be the ones that help him and don't get screwed and for what gain? Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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JOHNSON: Syria later suckers!
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Yeah the ideal presidency for Trump is doing absolutely nothing except press conferences and rallies where he can rail against his enemies, rubber stamp whatever is put in front of him, and everything else that's boring is offloaded on to Pence or whatever handler is given to him by the GOP while running all his various scam businesses making a mockery of the position. Frankly watching the media and political system as a whole flounder to deal with his antics I'm not sure he wouldn't be able to pull it off.
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zoux posted:I wonder if a private company that induces you into a coma so you can get through elections is feasible... All the voters induce comas because of the awful election and only the undecideds are left. We wake up to President Gary Johnson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyZQRybtDCs
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Night10194 posted:What the hell is going on with them, anyway? They way it looks to me is that they are VERY used to politicians playing the game and are totally thrown off by Trump's total disrespect for them and the political process in general. It's showing they are being given cliff notes to write stories from by the campaigns and then when Trump goes Trump their story they set to auto-publish a minute after is missing all the crazy poo poo he made up on the spot. They also clearly have a beef with Hillary and desperately want Trump to be a sensible contender to her even if they don't want him to win.
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The Shortest Path posted:All of the "nothing of value was lost" comments about Darren Seals by stupid loving white people has me practically shaking with rage. gently caress every single one of these assholes. But I thought ALL LIVES MATTER  Yeah they are trash. Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:I'm glad this story happened and Lauer is getting poo poo on so hard. Now the debate moderators know what happens when you screw up, and hopefully they'll actually do a decent job. I'm really laughing about this trail of idiots getting destroyed or hosed by Trump (Christie, Lauer, Mexican finance minister, FREEDOM GIRLS, people on his campaign he's not paying) while he scoots off scot free every time because no one wants to be the boy that says the Republican candidate has no clothes. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I am positively thrilled that Lauer is getting eviscerated by both the media at large and by regular people. LauerTheBar is still trending on twitter and basically every news outlet is openly declaring the forum a disaster for respectable journalism. It's also great that the narrative is clearly focused on Trump not being called out for his many lies. I am so pleased at how last night went, it really couldn't have gone much better since all the talk is about Lauer and Trump being bad, not about Hillary. Yeah at lunch CNN was on and the talking heads were discussing "if the debates needed moderators to fact check" so the idea that Trump was full of poo poo last night isn't being discounted. I think most people actually want fair treatment of the candidates on some level and seeing Clinton get interrupted while Trump was able to prattle on about stealing oil made the obvious disconnect very clear for even casual observers to see.
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