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ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Triggered posted:

I am intentionally being vague about where I live, where I served my mission and when. These motherfuckers are very real https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strengthening_Church_Members_Committee I may sound :tinfoil: but I don't want anything to be forwarded to my family (I personally know someone this happened too).

I don't understand. Are you closeted about being out of the church? If so, what are you afraid of (seriously)? Will your family (or some of your family) shun you if they find out you've left the church?

And I'd just like to add to your own misgivings about lack of archaeological evidence.

The LDS is one of very few religions whose tenants (Jews being Indians, great battles in North America, etc.) can be disproved via genetic and linguistic evidence. E.g. no native American language is, in any way, related to Hebrew (or any other Semitic language), and there is demonstrable genetic proof that native Americans are in no way related to the people of the middle east.

Are Mormons, in general, taught to eschew this type of science?

One more thing, what happens if you don't tithe? Do they kick you out of the church? What happens if you're poor? Do they still expect you to tithe?

McPhock posted:

Orthodox Christian checking in.

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Mormonism

This article is super helpful, if a bit long.

TL:DR "Mormons have a very difficult time understanding why Orthodox and other Christians deny that they are Christian. The simplest answer to this question is that the Mormon god is simply not God--at least not the God worshipped by Orthodox Christians (and other Trinitarians). This does not mean that the Mormons are necessarily immoral or wicked people, simply that they worship a god completely dissimilar from the Christian Trinity. "

Atheist who knows way to much theology chiming in. That's an interesting thing about Mormons. Their god is literally one of many possible gods, and their version of Jesus--since their god actually had sex with Mary to make Jesus--is really a demigod.

In fact, some versions of the Mormon afterlife postulate the raising of good Mormon men to godhood.

So in many ways, the faith is prima facie polytheistic.

They also, magically, abide by the doctrine of apostolic authority, but claim this vanished when the last apostles died and wasn't renewed until Joseph Smith.

This is, of course, magical because the standard gospels of the new testament, which the Mormons still use, were written 50 to 100 years after the death of the last apostle.

By all rights their theological foundation should dictate that these gospels were apostate, and thus, garbage.

The only other Christian church to use the doctrine of apostolic authority is the Roman Catholic Church; however, they at least thought this through, and claim apostolic authority was passed on from Peter to the Catholic Church, thereby preserving the little things--like the new testament and the absolute authority of the church.

(PS discussing the above with Mormon missionaries has twice resulted in me being told, "we will check with the bishop and come back" for me. On neither occasion did the missionaries come back.)

ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Sep 13, 2016

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